not to stir the pot.. but i have pushed ars for a while.. and i know people that do well with them.. i just cant convert the tgp surfer with them. avs and freesites might be a different story. may it be my skills or the saturation of ars's sites i dont know. but i kust havent been able to produce with them.. but they do have one of the most webmaster friendly programs and i give it up to them. but again like i said i know people that do well with them

a tear comes to my eye as people tell me to go fuck my self
so i will