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TheFLY · 09-13-2001, 12:52 PM

There's no black and white solution here -- there will always be people that hate Americans -- and there will always be sick people -- you can't do anything about them -- and you never will be able to. Do you think you can exterminate "the enemy"? It just won't happen. And any "example" that the US provides for the world in the form of violence won't make a fucking difference -- it will just make the terrorists more popular and more driven... The only difference it will make is that nieve Americans may have a false sense of security and pride that the "bad" guys are all dead -- and "we taught them a lesson" -- "that'll show 'em" -- "we took care of that didn't we..." That's what the media is feeding us right now -- because that's what we WANT TO HEAR. The idea that we are going to send a message to the world, "Don't fuck with the US" is totally idiotic... The fact that you are a citizen or not seems moot to me -- even if it was possible to export all non-US-citizens -- the terrorists could easily find ways to become citizens -- that won't make a difference. Why don't we just go on a witch hunt -- why don't we search everyone's home. What kind of America do you want to live in? In a world like in 1984 where even your thoughts aren't free? Do we partol the streets with machine guns making sure everyone is a "citizen"? Maybe it will come to this.

There will never be total security -- the more security you have the less freedom you have.

I was watching the news last night -- they were trying to blame some of our terrorism problems on encryption technology -- will this World Trade Center disaster just be an excuse for our government to take away our freedoms? To take from us our privacy? All under the guise of fear. It's scary to imagine it.

Which leads to a really good point -- PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN NEW YORK KNOW they are in danger of being killed -- because any terrorist or military attack will be in NY. That's just a fact. Everyone in Manhattan must know that if a bomb is ever dropped on the US or if a chemical weapon is released -- of course Manhattan will be one of the first targets.
Do you remember all of the people that were afraid to be in NY in Manhattan for possible Y2K disaster?

Our government knows this too and has prepared for it w/ shadows of all our government facilities -- why do you think all of the important data destroyed in the WTC is mirrored elsewhere -- why most of the upper management wasn't in the WTC building... and why the top execs were elsewhere. IBM has all it's important data in multiple secret locations hidden deep underground. Don't be nieve -- we knew this could happen. It's not surreal at all. I'm suprised there's not more terrorism and riots.

The world is not safe -- and there's nothing you can do about it -- so just get over it and move on. Like Eric said -- if you think you are going to be bombed -- move the hell out of there -- if you think NY or the US is too dangerous -- move somewhere else. If you are worried about your plane being hijacked -- drive, take a boat, or just sit at home and try to feel safe and wait patiently for your natural death.

I realize that this message may piss a lot of people off -- I'm not trying to argue -- I'm just throwing out ideas to discuss.

09-13-2001, 12:52 PM
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	There's no black and white solution here -- there will always be people that hate Americans -- and there will always be sick people -- you can't do anything about them -- and you never will be able to. Do you think you can exterminate "the enemy"? It just won't happen. And any "example" that the US provides for the world in the form of violence won't make a fucking difference -- it will just make the terrorists more popular and more driven... The only difference it will make is that nieve Americans may have a false sense of security and pride that the "bad" guys are all dead -- and "we taught them a lesson" -- "that'll show 'em" -- "we took care of that didn't we..." That's what the media is feeding us right now -- because that's what we WANT TO HEAR. The idea that we are going to send a message to the world, "Don't fuck with the US" is totally idiotic... The fact that you are a citizen or not seems moot to me -- even if it was possible to export all non-US-citizens -- the terrorists could easily find ways to become citizens -- that won't make a difference. Why don't we just go on a witch hunt -- why don't we search everyone's home. What kind of America do you want to live in? In a world like in 1984 where even your thoughts aren't free? Do we partol the streets with machine guns making sure everyone is a "citizen"? Maybe it will come to this. There will never be total security -- the more security you have the less freedom you have. I was watching the news last night -- they were trying to blame some of our terrorism problems on encryption technology -- will this World Trade Center disaster just be an excuse for our government to take away our freedoms? To take from us our privacy? All under the guise of fear. It's scary to imagine it. Which leads to a really good point -- PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN NEW YORK KNOW they are in danger of being killed -- because any terrorist or military attack will be in NY. That's just a fact. Everyone in Manhattan must know that if a bomb is ever dropped on the US or if a chemical weapon is released -- of course Manhattan will be one of the first targets. Do you remember all of the people that were afraid to be in NY in Manhattan for possible Y2K disaster? Our government knows this too and has prepared for it w/ shadows of all our government facilities -- why do you think all of the important data destroyed in the WTC is mirrored elsewhere -- why most of the upper management wasn't in the WTC building... and why the top execs were elsewhere. IBM has all it's important data in multiple secret locations hidden deep underground. Don't be nieve -- we knew this could happen. It's not surreal at all. I'm suprised there's not more terrorism and riots. The world is not safe -- and there's nothing you can do about it -- so just get over it and move on. Like Eric said -- if you think you are going to be bombed -- move the hell out of there -- if you think NY or the US is too dangerous -- move somewhere else. If you are worried about your plane being hijacked -- drive, take a boat, or just sit at home and try to feel safe and wait patiently for your natural death. I realize that this message may piss a lot of people off -- I'm not trying to argue -- I'm just throwing out ideas to discuss.