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Donny · 05-31-2004, 08:07 PM

Here is what happened:

* I have several models interested in doing single-girl sites with me.

* Chloe (see KinkyChloe.com) was one of those girls.

* I wanted to cut the designer in on website revenues. I wanted Fletch to be the designer because I REALLY like the guy. He is a straight shooter and tells it like it is.

* Fletch starts on the design. Meantime, TFCash, that has done business with me for several years and spends six figures per year with me on exclusive content expresses an interest in her. I tell TFCash that I would like to have Fletch do the design and receive a percentage.

* TFCash is not interested in this... they have their own designer.

* I let Fletch know what is going on. I tell him "I can either tell them that I'm keeping the model for myself and working with you, promoting the model through my own program.... or I can pay you for your work. Charge me more than normal... and I'll use the KinkyChloe design for my own affiliates to promote".

* Fletch is disappointed, but says that he understands my position since TFCash is such a big client and personal friend. He tells me to go ahead and pay him $500 for the design. I make him think about it for awhile to be sure. He thinks about it and is still willing to part with that site. I tell him that I feel really bad about the situation and that he can create an alternate tour for NakedCollegeGirls, that I'll pay him $500 for the NCG alternate tour, and that I'll set up a seperate CCBill account for the NCG alternate tour and pay him 25% of sales ON TOP OF paying him for the design. He says he's happy with that.

* The alternate tour Fletch makes for NCG converts at 1:171 the first weekend out, with my own traffic. Then I release it to affiliates and the overall conversion ratio drops below 1:2,000. I am stunned, but I REALLY don't want to hurt Fletch's feelings, so I don't tell him how bad the conversions are...

* Fletch gets busy with other clients and I get busy on my own stuff and we don't chat as much on ICQ.

* TFCash finishes the first TeenChloe.com design. I fucking hate it. I tell them so. I tell them Fletch's design looks much better. Since I brought up Fletch, TFCash asks if he's still okay with me purchasing his design. I told him that Fletch is disappointed but has been really cool about it and that I have made other agreements with him on sites unrelated to TFCash.

* Life goes on. I feel bad for Fletch, but it was ultimately Fletch that made the decision to allow me to buy the design and work with him on other projects instead. If he hadn't approved it, Chloe would have remained just between he and I. I put all the cards on the table and let Fletch choose.

* Right before my vacation TFCash releases the new designs in discussion. They look very similar to the design Fletch did for KinkyChloe.com. I don't have time to talk to Fletch about them because I'm leaving for vacation.

* I get back and have angry ICQ messages from Fletch saying he'd like to resolve this with me and not go to the boards. I get these messages 2.5 hours after he initially sent them. But by then he's already gone to the boards.

* I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE REASONING IS BEHIND THE NEW DESIGNS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO TFCASH!

Now... I'll continue and answer other questions in my next post.

05-31-2004, 08:07 PM
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Here is what happened: * I have several models interested in doing single-girl sites with me. * Chloe (see KinkyChloe.com) was one of those girls. * I wanted to cut the designer in on website revenues. I wanted Fletch to be the designer because I REALLY like the guy. He is a straight shooter and tells it like it is. * Fletch starts on the design. Meantime, TFCash, that has done business with me for several years and spends six figures per year with me on exclusive content expresses an interest in her. I tell TFCash that I would like to have Fletch do the design and receive a percentage. * TFCash is not interested in this... they have their own designer. * I let Fletch know what is going on. I tell him "I can either tell them that I'm keeping the model for myself and working with you, promoting the model through my own program.... or I can pay you for your work. Charge me more than normal... and I'll use the KinkyChloe design for my own affiliates to promote". * Fletch is disappointed, but says that he understands my position since TFCash is such a big client and personal friend. He tells me to go ahead and pay him $500 for the design. I make him think about it for awhile to be sure. He thinks about it and is still willing to part with that site. I tell him that I feel really bad about the situation and that he can create an alternate tour for NakedCollegeGirls, that I'll pay him $500 for the NCG alternate tour, and that I'll set up a seperate CCBill account for the NCG alternate tour and pay him 25% of sales ON TOP OF paying him for the design. He says he's happy with that. * The alternate tour Fletch makes for NCG converts at 1:171 the first weekend out, with my own traffic. Then I release it to affiliates and the overall conversion ratio drops below 1:2,000. I am stunned, but I REALLY don't want to hurt Fletch's feelings, so I don't tell him how bad the conversions are... * Fletch gets busy with other clients and I get busy on my own stuff and we don't chat as much on ICQ. * TFCash finishes the first TeenChloe.com design. I fucking hate it. I tell them so. I tell them Fletch's design looks much better. Since I brought up Fletch, TFCash asks if he's still okay with me purchasing his design. I told him that Fletch is disappointed but has been really cool about it and that I have made other agreements with him on sites unrelated to TFCash. * Life goes on. I feel bad for Fletch, but it was ultimately Fletch that made the decision to allow me to buy the design and work with him on other projects instead. If he hadn't approved it, Chloe would have remained just between he and I. I put all the cards on the table and let Fletch choose. * Right before my vacation TFCash releases the new designs in discussion. They look very similar to the design Fletch did for KinkyChloe.com. I don't have time to talk to Fletch about them because I'm leaving for vacation. * I get back and have angry ICQ messages from Fletch saying he'd like to resolve this with me and not go to the boards. I get these messages 2.5 hours after he initially sent them. But by then he's already gone to the boards. * I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE REASONING IS BEHIND THE NEW DESIGNS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO TFCASH! Now... I'll continue and answer other questions in my next post.