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Shap · 10-06-2004, 12:08 PM

>>Chris Wrote: Shap: I hope you are getting all of the benefits of being the iBill Marketing Director. Do they have a 401K?
It is beyond belief that you are doing this all of your own accord; rather you must be getting a monetary benefit or some form of compensation. As iBill won?t come on these boards, they must have hired you to market for them. Great Job! Maybe I?m wrong, but it sure seems strange that you are this attached to this issue, unless you have a Fatal Attraction-thing going on with those guys.

>>My reply: It's very simple Chris. We've got alot of rebills and alot of money tied in with our ibill account. It is in my best interest to do everything in my power to make sure they survive and come out strong. Them surviving is very important to us. I've calculated it to be worth at least $1,000,000 to our company. For $1,000,000 would you stand up and defend a company you've done business with for the past 5 years? I'm sure alot of your clients hope you would. As a businessman I'm sure you can understand that.

>>Chris Wrote:There is not one single thing wrong with a cross sell and our ratios would be below card association guidelines if we did not have pre-checked.

>>My Reply: Is that saying that because you have pre-checked you are not below card association guidelines? I hope that was a typo by you.

With regards to my view on cross sells. Obviously you guys have your point of view. I have mine. I strongly believe pre-checked cross sells are bad for the business and bad for our industry in the long run. I'm in this for the long haul. If you want to offer someone a product after they've purchased a membership. Sure no problem. But it doesn't have to be FORCED. It can be offered and if the surfer wants it they'll check it.

>>Chris wrote: I've got them up on my join page For now.

>>My Reply: Does this mean I should remove paycom from our join page?

I made this post to concentrate on the benefits. Yes I did bring up issues that obviously bothered you. You've got to understand this industry is not made up of one type of webmaster. Not everybody in this business is interested in whoring out the surfer for every possible dime they can today. Some of us are thinking about tomorrow, next year, 5 years from now. With that said alot of webmasters have concerns about pre-checked cross sells. A horny surfer joins a paysite and is eager to get in. Enters in his information and doesn't pay attention to the two pre-selected options. Both are 1 day free trials that renew at $39.95. A day later he is billed $80. I don't see how that is treating our surfers fairly and i don't see how that won't have a long term negative effect on all of us.

>>Chris Wrote: So you believe that all of the PPS Programs that cross sell are not included in the above definition? You are an idiot!

>>My reply: Nope not at all. I never said that. Obviously with the fall of other PPS programs there has been a growth and a change in business model that has led to new higher quality PPS programs. Bang Bros comes to mind.

>>Chris Wrote: I hope you get the account ? and fast. But in fairness to the readers here, you should let them know what your volume of sales are so that they can decide if you run a program of significant size and length to make you an ?authority?.

>>My Reply: I already did above. $200k+ a month.

>>Chris Wrote: Our client call starts in a few, so I am off the boards. But in the meantime, Shap, Go Fuck Yourself.

>>My reply: As i said earlier. Classy.

10-06-2004, 12:08 PM
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	>>Chris Wrote: Shap: I hope you are getting all of the benefits of being the iBill Marketing Director. Do they have a 401K? It is beyond belief that you are doing this all of your own accord; rather you must be getting a monetary benefit or some form of compensation. As iBill won?t come on these boards, they must have hired you to market for them. Great Job! Maybe I?m wrong, but it sure seems strange that you are this attached to this issue, unless you have a Fatal Attraction-thing going on with those guys. >>My reply: It's very simple Chris. We've got alot of rebills and alot of money tied in with our ibill account. It is in my best interest to do everything in my power to make sure they survive and come out strong. Them surviving is very important to us. I've calculated it to be worth at least $1,000,000 to our company. For $1,000,000 would you stand up and defend a company you've done business with for the past 5 years? I'm sure alot of your clients hope you would. As a businessman I'm sure you can understand that. >>Chris Wrote:There is not one single thing wrong with a cross sell and our ratios would be below card association guidelines if we did not have pre-checked. >>My Reply: Is that saying that because you have pre-checked you are not below card association guidelines? I hope that was a typo by you. With regards to my view on cross sells. Obviously you guys have your point of view. I have mine. I strongly believe pre-checked cross sells are bad for the business and bad for our industry in the long run. I'm in this for the long haul. If you want to offer someone a product after they've purchased a membership. Sure no problem. But it doesn't have to be FORCED. It can be offered and if the surfer wants it they'll check it. >>Chris wrote: I've got them up on my join page For now. >>My Reply: Does this mean I should remove paycom from our join page? I made this post to concentrate on the benefits. Yes I did bring up issues that obviously bothered you. You've got to understand this industry is not made up of one type of webmaster. Not everybody in this business is interested in whoring out the surfer for every possible dime they can today. Some of us are thinking about tomorrow, next year, 5 years from now. With that said alot of webmasters have concerns about pre-checked cross sells. A horny surfer joins a paysite and is eager to get in. Enters in his information and doesn't pay attention to the two pre-selected options. Both are 1 day free trials that renew at $39.95. A day later he is billed $80. I don't see how that is treating our surfers fairly and i don't see how that won't have a long term negative effect on all of us. >>Chris Wrote: So you believe that all of the PPS Programs that cross sell are not included in the above definition? You are an idiot! >>My reply: Nope not at all. I never said that. Obviously with the fall of other PPS programs there has been a growth and a change in business model that has led to new higher quality PPS programs. Bang Bros comes to mind. >>Chris Wrote: I hope you get the account ? and fast. But in fairness to the readers here, you should let them know what your volume of sales are so that they can decide if you run a program of significant size and length to make you an ?authority?. >>My Reply: I already did above. $200k+ a month. >>Chris Wrote: Our client call starts in a few, so I am off the boards. But in the meantime, Shap, Go Fuck Yourself. >>My reply: As i said earlier. Classy.