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Originally posted by dig420
first off, Shamrock outweighs Royce by about 50 lbs. Or more. And Royce tapped his ass out in their first fight and Shamrock held on for dear life and fought for a draw in their second. And Shamrock is a real live world-class fighter in legitimate and proven fighting arts, as opposed to an actor who studies a useless system and never did more than get in a few backyard scraps.
Second, there are plenty of 'real' strikers in MMA, always have been. Art Jimmerson was in the first UFC. The reason boxers get their clocks cleaned is because they can't fight on the ground. Also, you don't need the punching power of Mike Tyson to be a good striker in MMA because they're basically using their bare hands, and you don't have to hit like Tyson to knock a man out with your naked fist.
Botha got fucked up in K-1, let alone trying to compete in UFC.
Here's what the UFC is, for those who've never heard of it. All styles allowed, mano a mano, and the last one standing is the cock of the walk. For the first three years, until everybody started learning BJJ, Royce Gracie - 170 lbs - tapped out everybody, all sizes, from all other martial arts. If they hadn't started using BJJ, he'd be doing it to this day.
All the Gracies did was fight anyone and everyone and never NEVER lose until people started fighting like the Gracies. You people who still think Nin-Jitsu, Pressure Point Fighting and Kung-Fu work are no better than flat-earthers.
The question isn't in debate, it's been settled for anyone paying attention. Ground Fighters beat stand-up fighters. EVERYBODY beats Kung Fu fighters. If you don't have submissions in your game, a submission fighter is going to whip your ass.
BJJ, Muay Thai, Sambo and Wrestling if you learn some BJJ submissions are about the only things that work in real life. He who has ears (and eyes and an internet connection and can read english) let him hear.
Everybody else go on waiting for Santy Claus to come down the chimney 
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I know all about the UFC. I've watched it since the very begining. It was given no credit in any realy fighting circles when it first came out. No weight classes is absurd. Like you point out, Shamrock has 50 pounds on Royce.
The first one's were "OK". Lots of speculation about Gracie fights because they promoted the whole thing. I'm not much for conspiracy theories myself, but Royce never seemed like a great champ. The draw with Shamrock was the most boring thing I've ever watched. Yay laying around for 20 minutes in the guard. Yippe! I bet Shamrock would have won that match if it took place under new UFC rules with rounds. Of course the weight classes would fuck that up now.
I've seen Gracie take a few punches in the face. My point about Tyson was just that Gracie wouldn't be standing after just one big Tyson punch. He might not wake up ever again from an ungloved Tyson punch. This it the man that punched a whole through a brick wall.
In short I basically agree with you with the caveat that a really good striker with basic knowledge of ground defense is a better street fighter in my books than a pure ground fighter. Most fights I've been in over my lifetime have been over in seconds. It's not like you can lay around in the guard for 20 minutes outside of a club waiting for that big choke.