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Gheenz · 11-12-2004, 10:13 PM

I'm not saying I'm the top dog at the war college but from just reading the news everyday on Iraq there are a few things that bother me.

The invasion of Fallujah. First, we give everyone and their brother a month's notice we're coming in with 10,000+. Sure this is great to let citizens evacuate but we had to have known a great deal of the insurgents would skip town also. Why did we not set up checkpoints for all those leaving town? Or do something along those lines. Hell, we could just claim we are launching a huge offensive and order everyone to evacuate then do screenings and probably wind up capturing a shitload of insurgents. So, according to CNN's inside reports, the insurgents left about 50% of their forces in Fallujah to fight street by street with the Marines. The other 50% are now attacking other cities all over Iraq. The majority of those attacking police stations, etc. in the other cities were people we let walk right out of town. So now that these towns are under seige we had to remove 1/4 of our forces in Fallujah to go fight those we let go. Did we seriously not see this coming?

Also, the Iraqi forces we are training are turning around and fighting us. Days before the offensive began hundreds of Iraqi soldiers, many of them officers with knowledge of the complete invasion, disappeared. More than likely to go fight with their buddies against us. Sure I think we should be training them but I sure as hell don't think we should be giving them inside intel and trusting them to fight with us. No matter how much politics plays in the matter, it seems worse to me to risk the lives of thousands of troops because they were set up by the Iraqi security forces we equipped and trained. Did we seriously not expect this?

Lastly, I thought one of the most important parts of a war/occupation was winning the hearts and minds. It seems as though we haven't given two shits about this when you have the coalition of Muslim leaders in Iraq (can't remember their official name) calling on all Muslims to fight and kill the invaders. It seems that in a theocratic state like Iraq, the first thing we would want to do is make peace with the religious leaders. Instead, it seems like we've done the opposite. Why did we not plan for this early on in the occupation?

Like I said, I'm not claiming to know anything about war and military tactics, but some of the stuff you read in Iraq has to make you scratch your head. You would think with all the wars in the past 100 years we've been involved in we would be better at this stuff.

Anyone else with Friday thoughts on Iraq?

11-12-2004, 10:13 PM
Gheenz Here's Your Sign Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: MT, USA Posts: 2,410	Our strategy in Iraq = complete idiocy I'm not saying I'm the top dog at the war college but from just reading the news everyday on Iraq there are a few things that bother me. The invasion of Fallujah. First, we give everyone and their brother a month's notice we're coming in with 10,000+. Sure this is great to let citizens evacuate but we had to have known a great deal of the insurgents would skip town also. Why did we not set up checkpoints for all those leaving town? Or do something along those lines. Hell, we could just claim we are launching a huge offensive and order everyone to evacuate then do screenings and probably wind up capturing a shitload of insurgents. So, according to CNN's inside reports, the insurgents left about 50% of their forces in Fallujah to fight street by street with the Marines. The other 50% are now attacking other cities all over Iraq. The majority of those attacking police stations, etc. in the other cities were people we let walk right out of town. So now that these towns are under seige we had to remove 1/4 of our forces in Fallujah to go fight those we let go. Did we seriously not see this coming? Also, the Iraqi forces we are training are turning around and fighting us. Days before the offensive began hundreds of Iraqi soldiers, many of them officers with knowledge of the complete invasion, disappeared. More than likely to go fight with their buddies against us. Sure I think we should be training them but I sure as hell don't think we should be giving them inside intel and trusting them to fight with us. No matter how much politics plays in the matter, it seems worse to me to risk the lives of thousands of troops because they were set up by the Iraqi security forces we equipped and trained. Did we seriously not expect this? Lastly, I thought one of the most important parts of a war/occupation was winning the hearts and minds. It seems as though we haven't given two shits about this when you have the coalition of Muslim leaders in Iraq (can't remember their official name) calling on all Muslims to fight and kill the invaders. It seems that in a theocratic state like Iraq, the first thing we would want to do is make peace with the religious leaders. Instead, it seems like we've done the opposite. Why did we not plan for this early on in the occupation? Like I said, I'm not claiming to know anything about war and military tactics, but some of the stuff you read in Iraq has to make you scratch your head. You would think with all the wars in the past 100 years we've been involved in we would be better at this stuff. Anyone else with Friday thoughts on Iraq? __________________ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire