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Originally Posted by Lev
When Indians got killed you IDIOT, there was United States and no government, so you are blaming Columbus's actions on today's U.S. government?? I fail to see your reasoning. Turkey, however was the direct heir of the Ottoman Empire, under which Armenians (who were Turkish citizens) got massacred, so the blame and resonsibility goes to the current Turkish government. This happened only 91 years ago remember, it was the first genocide of the 20th century. It is the same as saying today's Germany is not responsible for the actions of Nazi Germany. Actually today's Germany still pays restitution to Jews.
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and i fail to see your reasoning as well, unless of course if you have any. I can't see how you get to blame Tukey, which overthrew the Ottoman Empire, for the deeds of the Ottoman Empire, and put the blame on Columbus for yours.
And also it is interesting that you accuse me of blaming Columbus' actions on today' U.S government. You sound as if Cloumbus had wiped out all the Indians in his time.
But sure, i will just ignore Columbus and look at the deeds done after him. Forgive me if i am wrong but i think US was formed in 1774 with the Declaration of Independance, right? But of course that does not mean that what happened before 1774 can be ignored easily as they were your ancestors.
onlineutah.com/bearrivermassacre.shtml :
--------On 29 January 1863 Colonel Patrick Edward Connor and about 200 California Volunteers attacked a Northwestern Shoshoni winter village located at the confluence of Beaver Creek and Bear River, twelve miles west and north of the village of Franklin in Cache Valley and just a short distance north of the present Utah-Idaho boundary line..... Before the colonel led his men from Camp Douglas at Salt Lake City north to Bear River,
he had announced that he intended to take no prisoners.......... The Volunteers suffered most of their twenty-three casualties in their first charge across the open plain in front of the Shoshoni village. Colonel Connor soon changed tactics, which resulted in a complete envelopment of the Shoshoni camp by the
soldiers who began firing on the Indian men, women, and children indiscriminately. By 8:00 a.m., the Indian men were out of ammunition, and
the last two hours of the battle became a massacre as the soldiers used their revolvers to shoot down all the Indians they could find in the dense willows of the camp.
Approximately 250 Shoshoni were slain,
including 90 women and children. After the slaughter ended, some of the undisciplined
soldiers went through the Indian village raping women and using axes to bash in the heads of women and children who were already dying of wounds. Chief Bear Hunter was killed along with sub-chief, Lehi. The troops burned the seventy-five Indian lodges, recovered 1,000 bushels of wheat and flour, and appropriated 175 Shoshoni horses.
While the troops cared for their wounded and took their dead back to Camp Douglas for burial, the Indians' bodies were left on the field for the wolves and crows.
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ands we have general custer....
--------- hanksville.org/daniel/misc/Custer.html : ... the culmination of this campaign was the massacre of Black Kettle's Southern Cheyennes in the Battle of the Washita, November 27, 1868, with 103 Cheyennes dead in the mud and snow. The animals were all slaughtered, at Custer's order. All captured possessions were burned
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and of course we have the trail of tears
-------- powersource.com/cherokee/history.html
Under orders from President Jackson, the U.S. Army began enforcement of the Removal Act. Around 3,000 Cherokees were rounded up in the summer of 1838 and loaded onto boats that traveled the Tennessee, Ohio, Mississippi, and Arkansas Rivers into Indian Territory. Many were held in prison camps awaiting their fate. In the winter of 1838-39, 14,000 were marched 1,200 miles through Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, and Arkansas into rugged Indian Territory. An estimated 4,000 died from hunger, exposure and disease.
and there are many others and we have slavery and the things done to african americans. so Columbus' actions, my ass.