mass censorship of US media

[Brujah]

Elected tea partier Allen West calls for mass censorship of US media

Yet another Tea Party hypocrite pulls a move from the Tea Party playbook.

1. Embrace the constitution
2. Get elected
3. Ignore the constitution

[Agent 488]

need a link. or was that censored already?

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Elected tea partier Allen West calls for mass censorship of US media

Yet another Tea Party hypocrite pulls a move from the Tea Party playbook.

1. Embrace the constitution
2. Get elected
3. Ignore the constitution

Well of course.. Lie to get elected then do anything and everything, including subverting the constitution every chance you get, in order to stay in power... I really don't understand how anyone believes ANY politician... Well.. I guess I do.. Everyone wants someone to come along and fix the shit and that there's some sincere people out there.. They don't want to give up hope that things can be fixed.. So they swallow it all down like good little boys and girls.

[DateDoc]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...62-503544.html

[tiger]

That dude is batshit crazy, nothing he said would surprise me.

[Wazza]

Oh dear...

[Coup]

The tea party is just the reactionary faction of the republican party. lol

[Brujah]

That's ok. Palin in 2012!

[Vendzilla]

LOL, one guy makes the party with you?
You guys will hold on to anything

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, one guy makes the party with you?
You guys will hold on to anything

Rand Paul did the same thing. Did you forget his back-pedaling?

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, one guy makes the party with you?
You guys will hold on to anything

no one should trust any politician to stick to their promises, they can only trust that politicians will stick it to them.

[u-Bob]

All politicians = the same.

[dyna mo]

the media is just as shitty as politicians are these days.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Just another big government Republican. Nothing new here.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Rand Paul did the same thing. Did you forget his back-pedaling?

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

no one should trust any politician to stick to their promises, they can only trust that politicians will stick it to them.

OK, so why are you blaming the Tea Party?

[Phoenix]

there is that...and then soon to follow the one child per family rule


dont worry...there are plans to let poor people sell their kid rights to rich folks

i could swear ive seen this exact story in sci fi books and movies

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, one guy makes the party with you?
You guys will hold on to anything

Tea Bagger Edward P. Mangano saves Nassau County from financial disaster.

Cut taxes and everything works out for everybody.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/ny...au.html?src=me

======================
MINEOLA, N.Y. ? Facing a huge budget deficit when he took office in January, Nassau County Executive Edward P. Mangano did not impose a hiring freeze. He did not stop borrowing to subsidize some of the richest school districts in the country. He did not eliminate the Police Department?s beloved mounted unit.

Instead, Mr. Mangano, a Republican who won one of the first upsets of the Tea Party era, did what he had promised: He cut taxes, adding $40 million to the county?s deficit, which has since reached nearly $350 million.

Now, with its bonds suddenly downgraded and a state oversight agency preparing to seize its checkbook and credit cards, Nassau is on the verge of a full-fledged fiscal crisis.

That things could get so dire in this wealthy county, where property taxes are the second highest in the nation, offers a lesson in what happens when anti-tax fervor meets the realities of disappearing revenues and a punch-drunk economy. At heart, though, the situation ? like state budget crises in New York, New Jersey and Illinois ? illuminates the troubles long-prosperous governments, with established interest groups and residents accustomed to high levels of services, face in adapting to protracted lean times.

?It?s the crisis of affluence,? said E. J. McMahon, director of the Manhattan Institute?s Empire Center for New York Policy. ?It?s not just a problematic old inner city that can?t get out of its old way of doing things,? he said. ?What makes Nassau a microcosm of New York State is its high spending, high taxes, intransigent unions, a pronounced taste for debt, and a sense that too many people in both parties have a stake in keeping it all that way.?

Like Nassau, other localities across New York and elsewhere have suffered credit downgrades, as prolonged economic weakness has revealed deep structural problems, including unsustainable fiscal practices and looming pension obligations.

Here, though, many thought the bad habits had been corrected. Nassau?s last fiscal meltdown came in 1999, after years of unchecked spending growth paid for with mounting debt and one-time revenues like sales of county land.

It led to a $200 million deficit and a credit rating just above junk. It triggered a Democratic takeover of what had long been a Republican bastion. And it ended with a $100 million state bailout in 2000 and the creation of a watchdog agency, the Nassau Interim Finance Authority, to oversee the county?s fiscal practices.

Under pressure from that authority, Mr. Mangano?s Democratic predecessor, Thomas R. Suozzi, raised property taxes, shrank the county work force and reduced the county?s reliance on borrowing to pay for operating costs.

But as the economy faltered in 2007, Mr. Suozzi, eyeing statewide office, began relying heavily on one-shot revenue generators.

He won short-term concessions from unions, like deferred salary increases, by extending a no-layoff guarantee through 2011. He resorted to borrowing to pay one of the county?s always onerous bills: the refunds given to residents who appeal their property tax assessments. And last year, up for re-election, he sidestepped a property tax increase by imposing a 2.5 percent tax on home heating bills.

That handed Mr. Mangano a campaign issue, which he rode into office. If he had any mandate, it was to scrap the heating bill tax and, as he put it, restore confidence in county government.

As things turned out, though, ?Those two promises turned out to be at odds,? said Lawrence Levy, an expert on suburban politics at Hofstra University.

Mr. Mangano got rid of the energy tax. But he never came up with offsetting spending cuts. That sets him apart from Republicans elected in New Jersey and in Westchester County last year, who have warred with unions and made painful cuts in services.

Indeed, while Mr. Mangano was a beneficiary of an anti-incumbent taxpayer revolt, he was something of an insider, with 14 years in the county legislature and friendly relations with union leaders.

When he offered an early retirement incentive plan that took more than 100 police officers and 400 others off the payroll, he drew criticism for allowing highly paid employees to take advantage of the buyouts; some walked away with as much as $600,000.

Mr. Mangano defended his approach, saying that he cut the work force to levels not seen since the 1950s, and bargained aggressively for more-flexible work rules.

?Everybody wants to gloss over the fact that real savings have occurred in this administration,? he said in an interview. ?Undisputable ones.?

And, he boasted, he accomplished them without cutting services ? though the county is now threatening to cut off social-service agencies.

He also complained that his deep cuts in political appointments went unnoticed. But patronage, a fact of life since Nassau was carved out of Queens in 1899, has not been eradicated: after Mr. Mangano shrank the county attorney?s office, it awarded a $250,000 contract to the law firm that employs Joseph N. Mondello, the Nassau Republican leader. And he appointed former Senator Alfonse M. D?Amato?s daughter as his commissioner of aging.

Mr. Mangano did win praise from fiscal experts for tackling costly age-old inequities in how Nassau subsidizes local services like schools and sewers. One change will make school districts and towns pay their share of the refunds of property taxes for the first time since 1948.

School boards howled. So, too, did nonprofit groups and colleges like Hofstra, when Mr. Mangano insisted they begin paying for sewer service ? something taxpayers had previously provided them free.

Nassau is not alone in seeking to pass on costs for services to localities; states have imposed similar measures. Yet these changes will take years to deliver true savings.

For the fiscal year that begins Jan. 1, Mr. Mangano?s budget appears to include as many prayers as plans. He penciled in $60 million in givebacks from labor ? surprising unions, who have contracts that run through 2015. Pressed on that point, Mr. Mangano said he would ?order? union concessions, ignoring the idea?s dubious constitutionality and drawing biting mockery.

The budget also called for borrowing an additional $100 million to pay tax refunds, and counted on more than $20 million in new help from the state.

Officials at the Nassau Interim Finance Authority questioned the seriousness of the plan.

?Mineola, we have a problem,? Ronald A. Stack, the authority?s chairman, said at a public board meeting in late September, as Mr. Mangano sat in the front row, listening.

Mr. Stack has brought in former Chief Judge Judith S. Kaye to advise the authority on whether to seize control of the county?s finances, and if so, how. The law creating the authority says it ?shall? take over if Nassau?s shortfall exceeds 1 percent of its budget ? or about $26 million.

Mr. Mangano is pleading for more time, publicly saying he was personally negotiating with the unions for significant savings. Privately, he has been lobbying state lawmakers to let him raise the county?s sales tax by a quarter of a percent, which would generate about $60 million. Getting the sales tax increase, union leaders said in interviews, was a precondition for them to make concessions.

Moody?s, the bond-rating agency, is not waiting. On Nov. 4, it downgraded the county?s debt, citing $158 million in risks and weakening liquidity, and warning that even Mr. Mangano?s contingency plans required contingency plans.

This week, the situation grew more dire. Before heading to Disney World on Wednesday for a three-day golf outing and a fund-raiser, Mr. Mangano went to Albany, where he discovered what others said had been obvious: There would be no state assistance for Nassau now.

Mr. Mangano made the best of the setback, saying he would resume his quest for a sales tax and labor concession rescue package in the new year.

?January?s only a couple weeks away,? he said.

That is true. But the Nassau Interim Finance Authority is moving on its own, and has called its next meeting for Dec. 21.

=================

[Tom_PM]

January 1st look for lawsuits against Obama and people under him. You didnt hear it here first.

[Sly]

Thread title is as nutty as the censorship comment.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Tea Bagger Edward P. Mangano saves Nassau County from financial disaster.

Cut taxes and everything works out for everybody.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/ny...au.html?src=me

Mangano an idiot and the unions are holding tax payers hostage. Nothing new there either.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Sly

Thread title is as nutty as the censorship comment.

Well, makes sense since they're the same thing. Duh.

[Tom_PM]

Yeah, the unions. Thats got to be it. It's said by republicans so often, how can it not be true? Nothing new here indeed.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Tea Bagger Edward P. Mangano saves Nassau County from financial disaster.

Cut taxes and everything works out for everybody.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/ny...au.html?src=me

======================
MINEOLA, N.Y. ? Facing a huge budget deficit when he took office in January, Nassau County Executive Edward P. Mangano did not impose a hiring freeze. He did not stop borrowing to subsidize some of the richest school districts in the country. He did not eliminate the Police Department?s beloved mounted unit.

Instead, Mr. Mangano, a Republican who won one of the first upsets of the Tea Party era, did what he had promised: He cut taxes, adding $40 million to the county?s deficit, which has since reached nearly $350 million.

Now, with its bonds suddenly downgraded and a state oversight agency preparing to seize its checkbook and credit cards, Nassau is on the verge of a full-fledged fiscal crisis.

That things could get so dire in this wealthy county, where property taxes are the second highest in the nation, offers a lesson in what happens when anti-tax fervor meets the realities of disappearing revenues and a punch-drunk economy. At heart, though, the situation ? like state budget crises in New York, New Jersey and Illinois ? illuminates the troubles long-prosperous governments, with established interest groups and residents accustomed to high levels of services, face in adapting to protracted lean times.

?It?s the crisis of affluence,? said E. J. McMahon, director of the Manhattan Institute?s Empire Center for New York Policy. ?It?s not just a problematic old inner city that can?t get out of its old way of doing things,? he said. ?What makes Nassau a microcosm of New York State is its high spending, high taxes, intransigent unions, a pronounced taste for debt, and a sense that too many people in both parties have a stake in keeping it all that way.?

Like Nassau, other localities across New York and elsewhere have suffered credit downgrades, as prolonged economic weakness has revealed deep structural problems, including unsustainable fiscal practices and looming pension obligations.

Here, though, many thought the bad habits had been corrected. Nassau?s last fiscal meltdown came in 1999, after years of unchecked spending growth paid for with mounting debt and one-time revenues like sales of county land.

It led to a $200 million deficit and a credit rating just above junk. It triggered a Democratic takeover of what had long been a Republican bastion. And it ended with a $100 million state bailout in 2000 and the creation of a watchdog agency, the Nassau Interim Finance Authority, to oversee the county?s fiscal practices.

Under pressure from that authority, Mr. Mangano?s Democratic predecessor, Thomas R. Suozzi, raised property taxes, shrank the county work force and reduced the county?s reliance on borrowing to pay for operating costs.

But as the economy faltered in 2007, Mr. Suozzi, eyeing statewide office, began relying heavily on one-shot revenue generators.

He won short-term concessions from unions, like deferred salary increases, by extending a no-layoff guarantee through 2011. He resorted to borrowing to pay one of the county?s always onerous bills: the refunds given to residents who appeal their property tax assessments. And last year, up for re-election, he sidestepped a property tax increase by imposing a 2.5 percent tax on home heating bills.

That handed Mr. Mangano a campaign issue, which he rode into office. If he had any mandate, it was to scrap the heating bill tax and, as he put it, restore confidence in county government.

As things turned out, though, ?Those two promises turned out to be at odds,? said Lawrence Levy, an expert on suburban politics at Hofstra University.

Mr. Mangano got rid of the energy tax. But he never came up with offsetting spending cuts. That sets him apart from Republicans elected in New Jersey and in Westchester County last year, who have warred with unions and made painful cuts in services.

Indeed, while Mr. Mangano was a beneficiary of an anti-incumbent taxpayer revolt, he was something of an insider, with 14 years in the county legislature and friendly relations with union leaders.

When he offered an early retirement incentive plan that took more than 100 police officers and 400 others off the payroll, he drew criticism for allowing highly paid employees to take advantage of the buyouts; some walked away with as much as $600,000.

Mr. Mangano defended his approach, saying that he cut the work force to levels not seen since the 1950s, and bargained aggressively for more-flexible work rules.

?Everybody wants to gloss over the fact that real savings have occurred in this administration,? he said in an interview. ?Undisputable ones.?

And, he boasted, he accomplished them without cutting services ? though the county is now threatening to cut off social-service agencies.

He also complained that his deep cuts in political appointments went unnoticed. But patronage, a fact of life since Nassau was carved out of Queens in 1899, has not been eradicated: after Mr. Mangano shrank the county attorney?s office, it awarded a $250,000 contract to the law firm that employs Joseph N. Mondello, the Nassau Republican leader. And he appointed former Senator Alfonse M. D?Amato?s daughter as his commissioner of aging.

Mr. Mangano did win praise from fiscal experts for tackling costly age-old inequities in how Nassau subsidizes local services like schools and sewers. One change will make school districts and towns pay their share of the refunds of property taxes for the first time since 1948.

School boards howled. So, too, did nonprofit groups and colleges like Hofstra, when Mr. Mangano insisted they begin paying for sewer service ? something taxpayers had previously provided them free.

Nassau is not alone in seeking to pass on costs for services to localities; states have imposed similar measures. Yet these changes will take years to deliver true savings.

For the fiscal year that begins Jan. 1, Mr. Mangano?s budget appears to include as many prayers as plans. He penciled in $60 million in givebacks from labor ? surprising unions, who have contracts that run through 2015. Pressed on that point, Mr. Mangano said he would ?order? union concessions, ignoring the idea?s dubious constitutionality and drawing biting mockery.

The budget also called for borrowing an additional $100 million to pay tax refunds, and counted on more than $20 million in new help from the state.

Officials at the Nassau Interim Finance Authority questioned the seriousness of the plan.

?Mineola, we have a problem,? Ronald A. Stack, the authority?s chairman, said at a public board meeting in late September, as Mr. Mangano sat in the front row, listening.

Mr. Stack has brought in former Chief Judge Judith S. Kaye to advise the authority on whether to seize control of the county?s finances, and if so, how. The law creating the authority says it ?shall? take over if Nassau?s shortfall exceeds 1 percent of its budget ? or about $26 million.

Mr. Mangano is pleading for more time, publicly saying he was personally negotiating with the unions for significant savings. Privately, he has been lobbying state lawmakers to let him raise the county?s sales tax by a quarter of a percent, which would generate about $60 million. Getting the sales tax increase, union leaders said in interviews, was a precondition for them to make concessions.

Moody?s, the bond-rating agency, is not waiting. On Nov. 4, it downgraded the county?s debt, citing $158 million in risks and weakening liquidity, and warning that even Mr. Mangano?s contingency plans required contingency plans.

This week, the situation grew more dire. Before heading to Disney World on Wednesday for a three-day golf outing and a fund-raiser, Mr. Mangano went to Albany, where he discovered what others said had been obvious: There would be no state assistance for Nassau now.

Mr. Mangano made the best of the setback, saying he would resume his quest for a sales tax and labor concession rescue package in the new year.

?January?s only a couple weeks away,? he said.

That is true. But the Nassau Interim Finance Authority is moving on its own, and has called its next meeting for Dec. 21.

=================

So, you have a couple more?
Thing is I don't care much for republicans either, I want fiscal responsibility
I live in California and we're fucked, illegal Aliens and unions are fucking us.
I have two union cards, before you even try bashing me on that.
But I have doubts that he's a Tea Party favorite right now

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yeah, the unions. Thats got to be it. It's said by republicans so often, how can it not be true? Nothing new here indeed.

State of california, state employee unions retire after 20 years with 95% of their highest pay and it's unfunded.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

State of california, state employee unions retire after 20 years with 95% of their highest pay and it's unfunded.

It is the next bubble to burst. And people will say "no one saw it coming". It is the same with state/teacher unions all over the country.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Brujah

That's ok. Palin in 2012!

If that is true, then Obama will have a second term.
Well now that I think about it, maybe not, geeezz
Sorry I just can not stand her.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So, you have a couple more?
Thing is I don't care much for republicans either, I want fiscal responsibility
I live in California and we're fucked, illegal Aliens and unions are fucking us.
I have two union cards, before you even try bashing me on that.
But I have doubts that he's a Tea Party favorite right now

I never understood why the bad talk on the Unions until I did some research on the internet.
Some places in the USA, unions are a necessary evil, and they do not rape companies as bad as they do on the coasts.

Many things in the country need started over. Politics, Unions, Insurance, most Laws, etc.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I never understood why the bad talk on the Unions until I did some research on the internet.
Some places in the USA, unions are a necessary evil, and they do not rape companies as bad as they do on the coasts.

Many things in the country need started over. Politics, Unions, Insurance, most Laws, etc.

I think that people are more against the public unions than the private unions. The public union sector has gone out of control and wages/benefits far exceed similar jobs in the private sector. This has been researched and laid out in many studies.

I personally don't care what Bob's Auto Shop pays its union mechanics. If the shop charges too much, I'll just go elsewhere. Public is completely different.

Governors across the country, both Democrat and Republican, are taking on state public unions. It's a big issue and it isn't just red and blue.

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

January 1st look for lawsuits against Obama and people under him. You didnt hear it here first.

It hardly matters. The rule of law has gone out the window.

..laws and regulations only apply to the small people.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

I think that people are more against the public unions than the private unions. The public union sector has gone out of control and wages/benefits far exceed similar jobs in the private sector. This has been researched and laid out in many studies.

I personally don't care what Bob's Auto Shop pays its union mechanics. If the shop charges too much, I'll just go elsewhere. Public is completely different.

Governors across the country, both Democrat and Republican, are taking on state public unions. It's a big issue and it isn't just red and blue.

Not in California, we elected Brown, he is the one that gave the unions all that power