I am getting so TIRED of hearing Adapt or Die around here regarding....

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Tubes. This is a Cop-Out saying. If you don't join the other thieves by building your own tube sites, you will not die, nor go out of business.

If torrent sites are giving away free Mainstream movies, does this mean Michael Bay should build his own Torrent site to adapt? Exactly.

Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site, It converts great, We pay out a shit load of money to affiliates, and at the end of the day. We are proud. As I mentioned last week on Mother's Day, we broke our Sales Record and every day keeps on getting better. There is still a lot of money to be made in this business, even without owing your own tube.

There are lots of companies here that don't have tube sites that do just fine. We are one of them. I'm not going to stoop that low and follow the path everyone used to fuck up our own industry. You don't need a tube site to survive. I rather make less money in this business and have pride.

Anyways, thought I would share.

For those of you that don't have a Tube Site. Congrats!!!

[craftyc]

Adapt or Die!

[MrMaxwell]

I break my silence to say that this guy is right
Fuck you niggas
You all today is sellouts with no guts, balls or brains

[Coup]

Sounds like someone isn't adapting very well.

[TheDoc]

I think what you did is adapt or die....

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Tubes. This is a Cop-Out saying. If you don't join the other thieves by building your own tube sites, you will not die, nor go out of business.

Amen brother.

[Spunky]

Morals over money?..impossible

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Tubes. This is a Cop-Out saying. If you don't join the other thieves by building your own tube sites, you will not die, nor go out of business.

If torrent sites are giving away free Mainstream movies, does this mean Michael Bay should build his own Torrent site to adapt? Exactly.

Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site, It converts great, We pay out a shit load of money to affiliates, and at the end of the day. We are proud. As I mentioned last week on Mother's Day, we broke our Sales Record and every day keeps on getting better. There is still a lot of money to be made in this business, even without owing your own tube.

There are lots of companies here that don't have tube sites that do just fine. We are one of them. I'm not going to stoop that low and follow the path everyone used to fuck up our own industry. You don't need a tube site to survive. I rather make less money in this business and have pride.

Anyways, thought I would share.

For those of you that don't have a Tube Site. Congrats!!!

you do realize the building a site that will convert with the new traffic source is a form of adaption

[Sausage]

Morals in this industry ... hahahah ... many of the big brograms around today were built on spam or other dodgy bullshit. I always laugh when morals are hinted at on here.

[fatfoo]

You know, a lack of money will not kill you.

Here are some things that could kill you, for example:
1 Smoking cigarettes / bad drugs
2 No food for longer than 50 days or poisonous food

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I think what you did is adapt or die....

[devine]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I think what you did is adapt or die....

was about to say the same

[craftyc]

I didn't adapt in 2000 and I died! again I didn't adapt in 2004 and died again! I didn't adapt 2008 and guess what?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you do realize the building a site that will convert with the new traffic source is a form of adaption

gideon you do realize that technically there is no "new traffic source" The traffic at torrent sites and illegit tube sites is merely the "old" traffic source that have found a place to get everything for free. And cam sites were the way to make something off people who have already gotten everything for free.

Reality is, a cam site monetizes all kinds of traffic. I do great with cam sites on my tgps. I used to do a lot better with paysites by far.

Problem is...when there is no more new porn being produced because you can't sell it anymore...then where would all the traffic come from then?

Not saying that is happening YET. I'm just saying that is the logical end result if piracy goes unchecked. Eventually there just wouldn't be enough sales to justify production.

And let's face it...no matter what anybody does or says: The thing that draws ALL that traffic is good ol' PORN

[BIGTYMER]

Adapt or die doesn't mean you need to make an illegal tube.

[Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Who's drinking tonight?

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I think what you did is adapt or die....

Bingo! Yahtzee!

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Adapt or die doesn't mean you need to make an illegal tube.

Exactly.

And btw. this industry isnt fucked because of tubes. Its because of a lack of people going after SITES that spread illegal full length movies.

Nobody cares to REALLY do something about it, people rather complain on message boards.

[will76]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Tubes. This is a Cop-Out saying. If you don't join the other thieves by building your own tube sites, you will not die, nor go out of business.

If torrent sites are giving away free Mainstream movies, does this mean Michael Bay should build his own Torrent site to adapt? Exactly.

Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site, It converts great, We pay out a shit load of money to affiliates, and at the end of the day. We are proud. As I mentioned last week on Mother's Day, we broke our Sales Record and every day keeps on getting better. There is still a lot of money to be made in this business, even without owing your own tube.

There are lots of companies here that don't have tube sites that do just fine. We are one of them. I'm not going to stoop that low and follow the path everyone used to fuck up our own industry. You don't need a tube site to survive. I rather make less money in this business and have pride.

Anyways, thought I would share.

For those of you that don't have a Tube Site. Congrats!!!

Kind of a flawed logic.

Few things to note. Not all tube sites have stolen content. Not all tube sites have full length videos, some have 2 minute or less video clips.

Not everyone with a picture and video type membership site can go start their own cam site. the "solution" wont work for everyone.

Tube sites don't affect live cam sales and if anything you can use a tube site to upsell for cams.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

gideon you do realize that technically there is no "new traffic source" The traffic at torrent sites and illegit tube sites is merely the "old" traffic source that have found a place to get everything for free. And cam sites were the way to make something off people who have already gotten everything for free.

torrents are way bigger then porn
torrent distribute more tv shows then broadcast networks

and more music (by 20 fold) then itunes

just because your too clueless to see how to get your piece of that traffic doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Reality is, a cam site monetizes all kinds of traffic. I do great with cam sites on my tgps. I used to do a lot better with paysites by far.

if you understood how to do live interaction correctly they would convert better.

Problem is...when there is no more new porn being produced because you can't sell it anymore...then where would all the traffic come from then?

Not saying that is happening YET. I'm just saying that is the logical end result if piracy goes unchecked. Eventually there just wouldn't be enough sales to justify production.

If you are watching a Clint Eastwood film it is the most cheerful thing you can do. However, if you are an advertiser who has paid $280,000 a minute to advertise, he feels a very large pain in his stomach as well as in his checkbook because it destroys the reason for free television, the erasure, the blotting out, the fast forwarding, the visual searching, the variable beta scans. the technology is there and I am one who has a belief that before the next few years the Japanese will have built into their machines an automatic situation that kills the commercial.

But at any rate, that is a very relevant point that you make and it will bring it out, what the problem is and you will see that as you get into the future, this becomes a devastating problem for both advertisers and producers, who will get less for their programs on the air and that is what I am talking about. When less revenues are available to the networks and less revenues are available then to the producer -- Mr. Ferris and his people will tell you, oh, the marketplace will adjust, as if some tooth fairy hovers over the place and says whenever you lose here, we will be glad to pay for it. Nobody pays for value they don't receive and that is an axiom of the business marketplace.

robbie this dooms day bullshit has been said over and over again in the past

never been true then, not true now.

And let's face it...no matter what anybody does or says: The thing that draws ALL that traffic is good ol' PORN

actually it tv shows

49% of all torrent traffic is tv shows

[Klen]

I dont have tube site too and still making good money.

[Davy]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site, It converts great, We pay out a shit load of money to affiliates, and at the end of the day. We are proud. As I mentioned last week on Mother's Day, we broke our Sales Record and every day keeps on getting better. There is still a lot of money to be made in this business, even without owing your own tube.

Yeah. Cool.

Psst... how many tube sites do you run?

[Raf1]

I never went the way of the tube sites

text is my main weapon and I sure as hell don't need a tube site to get shit traffic to my sites.

[andrej_NDC]

Nice cam spam.

[SpicyM]

Cam site is a form of a pay site isnt it? Tube are free sites, why do you compare that?

well done on the record sales!

[ruff]

I'm not complaining and I'm not explaining.

[LoveSandra]

Originally Posted by craftyc

Adapt or Die!

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I think what you did is adapt or die....

Wrong, Sorry to say. Even if we didn't have our new Cam Site we would still survive with ease. We just love to work and be creative.

Our AVS's CyberAge and UGAS still do pretty darn good because webmasters have some good niches on there.

If you read my post correctly, I said I'm tired of hearing Adapt or Die regarding Tubes. Not the industry. Big Difference. You must have missed that. But it was late so I understand.

[Brujah]

Tube sites won't kill your cam site, but Myfreecams model just might. It monetizes well without giving everything away.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by craftyc

I didn't adapt in 2000 and I died! again I didn't adapt in 2004 and died again! I didn't adapt 2008 and guess what?

There were no tubes in 2000, I am referring to tube sites, nothing else here if read correctly.

[CaptainHowdy]

You're already dead! Have fun!

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Our AVS's CyberAge and UGAS still do pretty darn good because webmasters have some good niches on there.

Dave, can you share what kind of money the top 10 guys at CyberAge are bringing in per month? What % is CyberAge keeping these days? Is it about 40%?

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by will76

Kind of a flawed logic.

Few things to note. Not all tube sites have stolen content. Not all tube sites have full length videos, some have 2 minute or less video clips.

Not everyone with a picture and video type membership site can go start their own cam site. the "solution" wont work for everyone.

Tube sites don't affect live cam sales and if anything you can use a tube site to upsell for cams.

This is somewhat true, but how many 2 minute or less video tubes do you know of? Not that many right?

I also agree not everyone could start their own cam site, we have the man power and infrastructure and it was on our long waited To-Do list.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Wrong, Sorry to say. Even if we didn't have our new Cam Site we would still survive with ease. We just love to work and be creative.

Our AVS's CyberAge and UGAS still do pretty darn good because webmasters have some good niches on there.

If you read my post correctly, I said I'm tired of hearing Adapt or Die regarding Tubes. Not the industry. Big Difference. You must have missed that. But it was late so I understand.

Oh I took it that way when you said "Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site" - I took that as your version of adapting.

Being that you have an AVS, you would kinda be the king of adapt or die, wouldn't you?

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

You're already dead! Have fun!

Why don't you stop by our offices, I'll show you dead. You are brainwashed, that's all. You read into everything.

Think outside of the box, you need to be more positive and have more of a drive. Positive things happen to positive thinkers.

[BestXXXPorn]

You know, adapt could also be... blanket lawsuit the Tubes...

Don't take it as literally as adapting to be a Tube based model... or adapt to play nicely with them...

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Oh I took it that way when you said "Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site" - I took that as your version of adapting.

Being that you have an AVS, you would kinda be the king of adapt or die, wouldn't you?

Sorry, as you can see, grammar was not my favorite subject.

I agree about adapting to everything else, I was referring to every time there is a thread about tubes, the saying adapt or die would appear regarding you should own a tube.

We are not only AVS, Never been only AVS. We have hundreds of other things that go on in our offices since late 90'. CyberAge has been my baby since day one, so It's been my front as our Main Business. It's always been very good to us and our affiliates.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Dave, can you share what kind of money the top 10 guys at CyberAge are bringing in per month? What % is CyberAge keeping these days? Is it about 40%?

Can't say how much the top dawgs are making, but CyberAge keeps a good 20%-30% after all the bonuses are paid out.

[Roald]

I see you are adapting perfectly, nice

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

If torrent sites are giving away free Mainstream movies, does this mean Michael Bay should build his own Torrent site to adapt? Exactly.

Apples to Oranges.

To get full length free porn movies you just need to type "porn" in google and you're all set.

To pirate films from torrents you had to be very tech savvy.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site

Ok, here we go. You have just confirmed your "Adapt or Die" statement.

Building a Cam site means your porn business DIED and you ADAPTED by creating something that can't be stolen.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

You're already dead! Have fun!

I was kind of thinking the same thing. CyberAge killed the AVS game, but that was 100 years ago in Internet years. You guys are like 5+ years late to the Cams game and from what I hear your half-baked cam site does not convert for shit. This thread is clearly an attempt to pump up your struggling cam site.

In all seriousness. Which one of your sites gets the most traffic? According to Alexa...

CamsNetwork.com: 117,119
Cyberage.com: 527,062
Ugas.com: 227,621

These are the sites in your sig so I assume they are your best sites. Do you have sites with more traffic? If so, what are they?

Your competitors...

LiveJasmin: 40
Streamate: 232
ImLive: 1,294
Cams: 1,333
MyFreeCams: 1,644
Sexier: 5,704
Flirt4free: 5,757
Webcams: 6,374
iFriendsv2: 10,523
WebcamClub: 13,466
PrivateCamz: 17,470
SecretFriends: 19,023
PrivateFeeds: 48,473

You...

CamsNetwork: 117,119

These numbers do not take into account the hundreds of whitelabels/skins that your competitors have.

I have seen people on this forum with far more experience in the Cams game than you try to give you advice for how to change up your site to make it better, but you do not seem interested in listening to them or anyone. Maybe you know everything about the now obsolete AVS game, but you have a lot to learn about Webcams...

I hope you take what I am saying as constructive criticism and improve things and hold off on bragging until you actually have something to brag about. If you continue to act like you know everything then CamsNetwork is going to end up being just another dead cam site

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Problem is...when there is no more new porn being produced because you can't sell it anymore...then where would all the traffic come from then?

user submitted

[cherrylula]

Well said.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by MDCQ

To pirate films from torrents you had to be very tech savvy.

lol - every retard knows to to download utorrent and click on download when they want a movie. one of the more moronic myths that goes around here.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Tube sites won't kill your cam site, but Myfreecams model just might. It monetizes well without giving everything away.

No way. See here's the thing.

You know (maybe guys don't?) how strippers have regular guys, the johns that will come see them regularly and want to fantasize like she is their girlfriend? Well the best strippers cater to these guys and milk them for all they can. Some even "date" these guys.

Well cam girls have the same thing. REGULAR CUSTOMERS. You're just not going to get that with a pay site, tube site, or anything else online.

Rebills < Webcam Johns

No chick with half a brain is going to spend hours on a free cam site and give that away. Now for $1 - $3 a minute or so, yeah she'll be his GFE online anytime! That cycle will never end. New girls, new johns, new cheddar for the site owner.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Tubes. This is a Cop-Out saying. If you don't join the other thieves by building your own tube sites, you will not die, nor go out of business.

If torrent sites are giving away free Mainstream movies, does this mean Michael Bay should build his own Torrent site to adapt? Exactly.

Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site, It converts great, We pay out a shit load of money to affiliates, and at the end of the day. We are proud. As I mentioned last week on Mother's Day, we broke our Sales Record and every day keeps on getting better. There is still a lot of money to be made in this business, even without owing your own tube.

There are lots of companies here that don't have tube sites that do just fine. We are one of them. I'm not going to stoop that low and follow the path everyone used to fuck up our own industry. You don't need a tube site to survive. I rather make less money in this business and have pride.

Anyways, thought I would share.

For those of you that don't have a Tube Site. Congrats!!!

i blame tubes for all

[Serial Pervert]

Originally Posted by Coup

Sounds like someone isn't adapting very well.

probably...

[will76]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

If you read my post correctly, I said I'm tired of hearing Adapt or Die regarding Tubes. Not the industry. Big Difference. You must have missed that. But it was late so I understand.

I think the confusion there was because you broke that point up between your title and post.

Starting a cam site is your way of adapting. Cams and Dating sites have always been ways to adapt to tube sites because tube sites are decimating traditional picture and video sites. So if you have traditional picture and video sites you have the following options to "adapt":

1. Start a dating site
2. Start a cam site
3. Make deals with the tube sites and promote your content there, you will be making the overall problem worse but you will be helping yourself by getting more sales.
4. Start your own tube site and feature your content there
5. Make your picture and video site more INTERACTIVE. This would work great for solo girl sites, have the girl do weekly cam shows, forum for her members, take special requests, have a blog, etc... anything that causes more interaction and stuff that can't be stolen.

So what were your ideas to "adapt" if you wouldn't have started a cam site?