POLL: Do you support the war on piracy?

[SteveLightspeed]

All these companies that are actively suing pirate torrent users as a start to the war on piracy... Do you support them? This is a public poll, so man up to your opinion...

[OY]

I do, and I hope the word spreads fast around the world about the lawsuits.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by Oystein

I do, and I hope the word spreads fast around the world about the lawsuits.

Google "porn titans come together" --- it shows 20,100 sites that have picked up the recent article in the AFP so far, including Huffington Post and MSNBC!

[OY]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Google "porn titans come together" --- it shows 20,100 sites that have picked up the recent article in the AFP so far, including Huffington Post and MSNBC!

Excellent. Great start!

[Emil]

If this was a anonymous poll I would have voted "No"! But now I'm voting "Yes" just to look good....

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by Emil

If this was a anonymous poll I would have voted "No"! But now I'm voting "Yes" just to look good....

um, ok... like I said, MAN UP.

[ottopottomouse]

Depends what the actual intentions are.

[Paul Markham]

Suing Torrent downloaders is the first battle in a long overdue war.

[Roald]

Yes we do, some of the methods used are something to argue about though.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Depends what the actual intentions are.

All the questions have been answered. I would think after a FULL MONTH of discussion, you would have a firm opinion by now.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by Roald

Yes we do, some of the methods used are something to argue about though.

I agree, but we have to start somewhere right? I expect the process will become much smoother and more accurate after an initial shakeout period.

I see this as a way to send a message, set precedents, and build up a warchest to take on even tougher piracy issues.

[john FVC]

We have always been active in the pursuit of those that want to deprive not just us, but our affiliates too of revenue.

I doubt we will eradicate it all but I do feel we are in a new chapter now and the more publicity this garners ,and gets thru to the surfer, the better for everyone in this industry.

If you don't care or don't support this, then you have no place in this industry and the industry has no place for you..

[seeandsee]

yes, beat the piracy

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Depends what the actual intentions are.

Mr Lightspeed already posted/boasted that it is his retirement plan.

It's like the war on drugs. Pointless and unwinnable.

Of course, I am against piracy, but I am also against wasting the most valuable resource we have, time, in fighting an unwinnable fight. We could be doing something productive with that time.

I can understand it appears an easy way to make money for some, but I imagine as soon as the first court case contests it, it will crumble. It's the fact it lacks that whole pesky lack of proof thing I imagine the judge will have an issue with.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Mr Lightspeed already posted/boasted that it is his retirement plan.

It's like the war on drugs. Pointless and unwinnable.

Of course, I am against piracy, but I am also against wasting the most valuable resource we have, time, in fighting an unwinnable fight. We could be doing something productive with that time.

I can understand it appears an easy way to make money for some, but I imagine as soon as the first court case contests it, it will crumble.

So feel free to lead everyone to the "right way" to fight piracy. You'll be a hero.

I have been in the industry for 12 years, and I've never gone for the easy money. No spamming, no hidden xsells, no spyware, no tricks anywhere. I take pride in running an honest business. But if fighting piracy also works as a "scheme to make money", then BONUS! I'm on the right side of the law by enforcing my copyrights.

Steve Lightspeed

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So feel free to lead everyone to the "right way" to fight piracy. You'll be a hero.

There *is* no right way, that's the problem Mr Lightspeed. It's all been done before and all had zero impact.

It's an unwinnable war.

But I am certain sure it will make you some bank in the short-term.

[john FVC]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So feel free to lead everyone to the "right way" to fight piracy. You'll be a hero.

I have been in the industry for 12 years, and I've never gone for the easy money. No spamming, no hidden xsells, no spyware, no tricks anywhere. I take pride in running an honest business. But if fighting piracy also works as a "scheme to make money", then BONUS! I'm on the right side of the law by enforcing my copyrights.

Steve Lightspeed

Amen to that

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

All the questions have been answered. I would think after a FULL MONTH of discussion, you would have a firm opinion by now.

My firm opinion is that it isn't a war on piracy at all it is just using torrents as a free distribution system and then hoping to scare a portion of the people who took what was offered for free into paying a settlement.

With an emphasis on ooh isn't porn embarrassing and wanting mainstream media coverage to try and promote that idea that will backfire by making people who have forgotten they are still paying for a site from 6 years ago cancel their rebills and having people who didn't previously have a particularly nosy wife suddenly find she takes rather an interest in their credit card statement.

Just see it as something that will hurt in the long run in a way that nobody has thought through properly as they are just after a quick financial boost and as with everything porn related don't really give a shit about long term.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

My firm opinion is that it isn't a war on piracy at all it is just using torrents as a free distribution system and then hoping to scare a portion of the people who took what was offered for free into paying a settlement.

With an emphasis on ooh isn't porn embarrassing and wanting mainstream media coverage to try and promote that idea that will backfire by making people who have forgotten they are still paying for a site from 6 years ago cancel their rebills and having people who didn't previously have a particularly nosy wife suddenly find she takes rather an interest in their credit card statement.

Just see it as something that will hurt in the long run in a way that nobody has thought through properly as they are just after a quick financial boost and as with everything porn related don't really give a shit about long term.

So vote NO. I want an honest poll.

[Odin]

Honestly. The term is to vague. Do I support the war on terrorism? By definition who can't right? But do I support the Patriot Act and War in Iraq? Nope.

If specifically asking if I support suing torrent users, I guess I wouldn't oppose it. But I am certainly not the first to jump in line, like a lot of the idiots here, and start supporting every "anti-piracy" measures that raises its ugly head. By that I mean parts of ACTA, the recent COICA bill, etc.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

So vote NO. I want an honest poll.

Done.

As although it is being called a war on piracy I don't really see it as a war on piracy.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

There *is* no right way, that's the problem Mr Lightspeed. It's all been done before and all had zero impact.

It's an unwinnable war.

But I am certain sure it will make you some bank in the short-term.

Well, since you can offer no alternative ideas, let me suggest that you sideline yourself and your taunting posts and let the real business people here discuss these issues. You've really become quite annoying.

Steve Lightspeed

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Done.

As although it is being called a war on piracy I don't really see it as a war on piracy.

Again, feel free to lead everyone to the "right way" to battle piracy. You'll be a hero.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

We could be doing something productive with that time.

Such as?

You have no idea what to do. If you did you might be worth something.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Well, since you can offer no alternative ideas, let me suggest that you sideline yourself and your taunting posts and let the real business people here discuss these issues. You've really become quite annoying.

Steve Lightspeed

There are ten ideas in my sig Mr Lightspeed. Sorry disagreeing with you is annoying you.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

There are ten ideas in my sig Mr Lightspeed. Sorry disagreeing with you is annoying you.

Those are ideas for increasing sales. I'm asking for ways to fight piracy.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Again, feel free to lead everyone to the "right way" to battle piracy. You'll be a hero.

Nuking uploads before the world and his wife has downloaded them rather than chasing after something once it's loose.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

All the questions have been answered. I would think after a FULL MONTH of discussion, you would have a firm opinion by now.

She's a surfer who commented 2 days ago about downloading shows she missed, how you think she feels about it?

[Jdoughs]

The penalty for shoplifting is very minor as well, but you know what, it's enough to embarrass most people out of ever doing it again.

Does that mean it's wrong to charge people for Shoplifting because the biggest deterrent is the embarrassment of getting arrested for stealing a $5 pair of earrings?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Those are ideas for increasing sales. I'm asking for ways to fight piracy.

I honestly believe there are no ways to stop piracy.

I am sorry you are getting annoyed with me for disagreeing with you. I am not intending to antagonise, simply suggest that since the invention of the printing press people have tried to stop piracy and failed.

But if this is just to make you some more cash, then I am 100% sure you will succeed.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Nuking uploads before the world and his wife has downloaded them rather than chasing after something once it's loose.

It don't matter what the 'rest of the world' is doing, if you steal, you can get caught.

Not really a tough thing to understand.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

I honestly believe there are no ways to stop piracy.

I am sorry you are getting annoyed with me for disagreeing with you. I am not intending to antagonise, simply suggest that since the invention of the printing press people have tried to stop piracy and failed.

But if this is just to make you some more cash, then I am 100% sure you will succeed.

There is no way to stop thieves, thievery has been going on for thousands of years, that don't mean we should ignore it. Quite the contrary.

How would you feel if I built a couple 'industry blogs' with all your articles and took credit, made money off them?

Really there is nothing you could do about it, but you'd try, and it would piss you off, and you'd call me a thief.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

She's a surfer who commented 2 days ago about downloading shows she missed, how you think she feels about it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv

And she's a he and I thought everybody knew that.

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

It don't matter what the 'rest of the world' is doing, if you steal, you can get caught.

Not really a tough thing to understand.

You missed my point entirely.

[Jdoughs]

I guess I did miss the point, so what was it?

To stop them from stealing instead of making them pay the cost for stealing?

Why do them any favors, they DID steal it.

[Klen]

Of course i do,it would be stupid not to,since this will automatically reflect in more sales.

[Dirty Dane]

Yes. I do not mind tubes or filesharing as long it is not piracy.

[PXN]

Yes, but I agree with Roald said.

[SteveLightspeed]

As far as solutions, I would like to see a small adjustment to the DMCA law, that to maintain "safe harbor", the "host" must supply user/ip info of the uploader when they receive a valid takedown notice from the copyright owner. I think that would make a HUGE difference in piracy within "user uploaded" content.

Steve Lightspeed

[PXN]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

The penalty for shoplifting is very minor as well, but you know what, it's enough to embarrass most people out of ever doing it again.

Agree. And even if they win a big reward collecting the money from an average Joe can be even difficult. Unless of course they win only an insignificant amount which is worthless to say the least.

It may embarrassed the dude who got caught to never do it again, but if this hit the news, thousands of other average Joe will think twice before joining porn with a credit card which won't be good for longer term business. Furthermore, it most likely more people will be careful and start using different techniques to hide their identity and/or start masking their IPs and the next thing you know you have to work twice as hard to try to catch them.

[CaptainHowdy]

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by PXN

if this hit the news, thousands of other average Joe will think twice before joining porn with a credit card.

If a shoplifter is publicly humiliated, does it make the "average Joe" stop shopping at that store?

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

All these companies that are actively suing pirate torrent users as a start to the war on piracy... Do you support them? This is a public poll, so man up to your opinion...

Good poll, but sadly pointless on this board. You can have a thread bitching about a company using proven stolen content and get fucking morons complaining in the same thread that they didn't receive their checks yet from said thieving company. (Yes, Silvercash this is directed at you.)

Point is, the bulk of idiots on here are only worried about that next check and could care less who's lying cheating and stealing to make it happen.

Maybe that should be the next step, start suing the affiliates who are promoting and spreading known stolen content for other companies.

[PXN]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

If a shoplifter is publicly humiliated, does it make the "average Joe" stop shopping at that store?

To be honest I won't feel embarrassed if I got caught stealing a beer. Maybe stupid, but not embarrassed. But getting caught as a John trying to buy sex down the street, ya that's embarrassing.

[Serge Litehead]

for the ones actively fighting piracy and content theft, you should look into file-sharers using DC++, its an IRC based networks for P2P file-sharing, it maybe be tough to figure out from the get go how dc++ operates, there are many different channels with different access rules (special interests, + required amount of shared content), some are public some are private, I suspect dc++ is at top level in a distribution chain, very underground. massive amounts of pirated content, not only adult obviously, but there are plenty of adult as well. you can get in there users ip/host mask and list of every file they're sharing at the moment.
kick them where it hurts most.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

If a shoplifter is publicly humiliated, does it make the "average Joe" stop shopping at that store?

yes if he gets arrested when he did not steal due to a faulty security camera.

identifying users by ip is not 100% accurate and innocent people are going to be shamed and scared into taking food off their table, that is why some people think is is a bad idea.

also that in creating ill will towards an already mistrusted industry which will see an overall net sales loss once this misadventure has ran it's course.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by Gerco

Good poll, but sadly pointless on this board.

I'm interested in hearing opposing opinions, so we can collectively form solid rebuttals. If we can address all the opposing arguments intelligently, we'll have a much better chance to gain mainstream support.

[PXN]

I applaud what you guys are doing. Do what you must do, but just keep in mind the long term aspect of this industry instead of short term gain. Just don't make things worst then what they already are.

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I'm interested in hearing opposing opinions, so we can collectively form solid rebuttals. If we can address all the opposing arguments intelligently, we'll have a much better chance to gain mainstream support.

I can agree with that that and stand corrected.

One of the good things about discussions like this, it really make it's easy to see who to never do business with. In the over ten years I have been in this game, I have, like you, ran strait and honest. No popups, redirects, mailings or any other dirty tricks. Just a simple site that gives what it promises and that's it.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

yes if he gets arrested when he did not steal due to a faulty security camera.

identifying users by ip is not 100% accurate and innocent people are going to be shamed and scared into taking food off their table, that is why some people think is is a bad idea.

also that in creating ill will towards an already mistrusted industry which will see an overall net sales loss once this misadventure has ran it's course.

I agree that every measure should be taken to eliminate false positives, and all the cases should be handled with some common sense.

I don't think anyone is looking to "take food off someone's table". But I also think torrent piracy has been going on unopposed for too long, and we have to make a stand, even if the solution isn't perfect.

[halfpint]

Fighting piracy yes I aggree with, but this method has nothing to do with fighting piracy and all to do with making money so on this method I do not agree with..


Why ?

Cause it has been tried over here in the UK with porn and mainstream a few years ago and it ended up being one disaster both for the companys and the law companys involved with the letter sending. Whether it ends the same over in the US remains to be seen and only time will tell.

I think this will only hurt porn companys even further with the surfers loosing more confidence and not trusting porn companys. A lot of people allready think we are the scum of the earth and porn should not be allowed on the net.