With all this crap going on in the middle east

[Vendzilla]

Isn't it about time we started drilling the oil we have?
They're chasing Cuba away from the Florida coast and Alaska has ANWR,Which they are drilling at an angle? The Trans Alaska pipeline, which carries around 630000 barrels of oil a day from Alaska's North Slope and all the oil off the California Coast.

Point being that we have the oil, it's bureaucracy as usual thats keeping this country from working right.

But instead of drilling our own oil, we are depending more and more on middle east oil, we are spending billions in aid to Israel and Egypt. And what is it getting us, another day older and deeper in debt?

I'm all for the green energy push that Barry wants, but for economy, it's not going to work imho http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17763

I've been recycling for decades, damn I'm old, from steel off high rise construction, to mulch piles and aluminum cans.

I know corporate America is behind this, we had cars in the 80's that got 45 miles to the gallon, where's the progress?

[theking]

Oil is a finite resource...and as long as we can get oil from other parts of the world at a some what reasonable price...I think it is a smart thing to conserve our own oil resources as long as possible.

[Agent 488]

how about we just ditch oil?

[theking]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

how about we just ditch oil?

We will..when it becomes economically feasible to do so.

[Sly]

Or we could be technological leaders once again and use our brains to create the best, cleanest, cheapest energy system that ever existed. Unfortunately, that would take far too much selflessness.

Call me a prick but I wish guys like Bill Gates would stick their money into new technologies that could change the world instead of their other humanitarian causes, but... it's their money...

[Rochard]

We have this false idea that our oil comes from the Middle East. We get more oil from Canada than all Middle Eastern Countries. ( Reference Link )

The largest US oil importers are, in order, are:
Canada
Mexico
Saudi Arabia
Venezuela
Nigeria
Angola
Iraq

We are fine. We can sit on our oil. By the time the Middle East runs out of oil, we'll be driving our electric cars and we'll still be sitting on our own oil reserves.

We tend to bash Bush for his oil practices, but if you think about it he was fucking brilliant. We didn't need Iraq for it's oil - we'd be better off knocking off Canada first - but if you think about it.... We don't need any oil from the Middle East, yet in the event China looks at us the wrong way we have a huge amount of control over the Middle East - and 70% of China's oil.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Sly

Or we could be technological leaders once again and use our brains to create the best, cleanest, cheapest energy system that ever existed. Unfortunately, that would take far too much selflessness.

Call me a prick but I wish guys like Bill Gates would stick their money into new technologies that could change the world instead of their other humanitarian causes, but... it's their money...

We are doing R&D in alternative energy sources...it is a must...as oil resources are finite.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

Or we could be technological leaders once again and use our brains to create the best, cleanest, cheapest energy system that ever existed. Unfortunately, that would take far too much selflessness.

Call me a prick but I wish guys like Bill Gates would stick their money into new technologies that could change the world instead of their other humanitarian causes, but... it's their money...

I think you're right
Like I said, in the 80's we had diesel power VW's that got 45 mpg, here it is 30 years later and they are boasting 35?

http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2...ally-get-built

We are being sold out a bill of goods

When I was in the military, I saw how they separated O2 and hydrogen, I have hard time believing that we can't combine the two and create energy, clean energy.
This was done with a very small device, considering the tech was from the 70's

[MetaMan]

"Crap" going on in the middle east as in people getting tired of USA backed puppet leaders?

[Barry-xlovecam]

A hydrocarbon based economy is doomed.
The writing was on the wall in 1974 ...
It's not like we didn't have time to plan an exit strategy ...
I just read Brent crude hit $100/bbl — Welcome $4.00 a gallon gasoline.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

With all this crap going on in the middle east..

Same shit, different millenium...





ADG

[Coup]

barry, he bad president. barry.

[cherrylula]

Fuck that, they've ruined the bayous down here already. The oil is still everywhere down here, and tons of debris left over like anchors. It SUCKS. BAD.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Sly

Or we could be technological leaders once again and use our brains to create the best, cleanest, cheapest energy system that ever existed. Unfortunately, that would take far too much selflessness.

Call me a prick but I wish guys like Bill Gates would stick their money into new technologies that could change the world instead of their other humanitarian causes, but... it's their money...

prick.

ha ha had to... but yeah I agree with your prick opinion. Oil is so gross, you should see what the raw crude has done.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think you're right
Like I said, in the 80's we had diesel power VW's that got 45 mpg, here it is 30 years later and they are boasting 35?

http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2...ally-get-built

We are being sold out a bill of goods

When I was in the military, I saw how they separated O2 and hydrogen, I have hard time believing that we can't combine the two and create energy, clean energy.
This was done with a very small device, considering the tech was from the 70's

U.S. consumers dictate the type of cars that are made. They can make transportation that gets 100 miles to the gal...now...but U.S. consumers will not buy it. As to the last part of your post...they are doing R&D in that area...and when it becomes practical and financially viable you will see it being produced.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

U.S. consumers dictate the type of cars that are made. They can make transportation that gets 100 miles to the gal...now...but U.S. consumers will not buy it. As to the last part of your post...they are doing R&D in that area...and when it becomes practical and financially viable you will see it being produced.

I disagree. Look at Tesla Motors.



Fucking car runs on batteries alone and are faster than my supercharged V8. But I'm not about to pay $100k for a car or whatever they sell for. If they produced those cars in bulk for $30k you wouldn't be able to buy one because they would be constantly sold out.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by theking

U.S. consumers dictate the type of cars that are made. They can make transportation that gets 100 miles to the gal...now...but U.S. consumers will not buy it. As to the last part of your post...they are doing R&D in that area...and when it becomes practical and financially viable you will see it being produced.

Bull shit. US consumers do not dictate that car companies make ugly ass cars that are pure crap with poor gas mileage. US consumers have been eating up the Asian brands for years that have style, comfort, and good gas mileage. US consumer demand is already there, add some proper marketing and you have a monster.

I have never met one person that said "I'm only buying cars with 10 MPG, I owe it to the oil companies!"

[theking]

Originally Posted by Sly

Bull shit. US consumers do not dictate that car companies make ugly ass cars that are pure crap with poor gas mileage. US consumers have been eating up the Asian brands for years that have style, comfort, and good gas mileage. US consumer demand is already there, add some proper marketing and you have a monster.

I have never met one person that said "I'm only buying cars with 10 MPG, I owe it to the oil companies!"

Consumers that have bought Asian brands have bought as much for the cheaper price as anything else. American car makers sold bigger...heavier cars with greater horsepower because the market demanded them to do so. The market has now changed some what. I will repeat...they can make a car that will get 100 miles to the gal but few will by it. In other parts of the world they will and do.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by theking

Consumers that have bought Asian brands have bought as much for the cheaper price as anything else. American car makers sold bigger...heavier cars with greater horsepower because the market demanded them to do so. The market has now changed some what. I will repeat...they can make a car that will get 100 miles to the gal but few will by it. In other parts of the world they will and do.

American cars were bigger, heavier, and pieces of shit. People were not buying them. Have you forgotten the bail out already? The car companies did not listen to what consumers wanted. Funny how that is now starting to change.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Sly

American cars were bigger, heavier, and pieces of shit. People were not buying them. Have you forgotten the bail out already? The car companies did not listen to what consumers wanted. Funny how that is now starting to change.

Pigshit. Every body and their mother (socker moms) had SUV's...or gas guzzling trucks...but yes the market changed.

[Bill8]

if you look at the actual numbers, all of america's known reserves will power america for between 3 to 5 years, depending on use rates.

but you republicans go ahead and drill it.

then when world war 3 comes you'll be the ones who used up america's emergency oil reserves, and guaranteed the end of the empire.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

if you look at the actual numbers, all of america's known reserves will power america for between 3 to 5 years, depending on use rates.

but you republicans go ahead and drill it.

then when world war 3 comes you'll be the ones who used up america's emergency oil reserves, and guaranteed the end of the empire.

Wow, your information is a little out dated
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/us/11oil.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1969353.shtml

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wow, your information is a little out dated
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/us/11oil.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1969353.shtml

look up the actual oil reserve numbers. divide them by the amount of oil the us uses every year.

do the math yourself. why are you relying on the media to do the math for you? Besides, nothing in those two articles discounts the basic principle that america only has a few years of oil, even if we drilled everything we had and everything we might have.

by the way - we dont have an affordable technology to process oil shale. The things we've tried haven't worked so far, but it's no skin off my nose if you can get those states to try. go for it.

and I dont give a shit if you drill in the gulf. go ahead. I assure you we will drill everything as we get more desperate.

Like I said - do it. go ahead.

Those who cant do basic math are doomed anyway.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We have this false idea that our oil comes from the Middle East. We get more oil from Canada than all Middle Eastern Countries. ( Reference Link )

The largest US oil importers are, in order, are:
Canada
Mexico
Saudi Arabia
Venezuela
Nigeria
Angola
Iraq

We are fine. We can sit on our oil. By the time the Middle East runs out of oil, we'll be driving our electric cars and we'll still be sitting on our own oil reserves.

We tend to bash Bush for his oil practices, but if you think about it he was fucking brilliant. We didn't need Iraq for it's oil - we'd be better off knocking off Canada first - but if you think about it.... We don't need any oil from the Middle East, yet in the event China looks at us the wrong way we have a huge amount of control over the Middle East - and 70% of China's oil.

WOW, would of lost money if I bet!
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

look up the actual oil reserve numbers. divide them by the amount of oil the us uses every year.

do the math yourself. why are you relying on the media to do the math for you? Besides, nothing in those two articles discounts the basic principle that america only has a few years of oil, even if we drilled everything we had and everything we might have.

by the way - we dont have an affordable technology to process oil shale. The things we've tried haven't worked so far, but it's no skin off my nose if you can get those states to try. go for it.

and I dont give a shit if you drill in the gulf. go ahead. I assure you we will drill everything as we get more desperate.

Like I said - do it. go ahead.

Those who cant do basic math are doomed anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves actually, as it stands, the US has about 8, not a few, and I wonder if that number reflects those oil reserves that are in the gulf and north dakota as I don't think they know how much exactly we have there yet.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I disagree. Look at Tesla Motors.



Fucking car runs on batteries alone and are faster than my supercharged V8. But I'm not about to pay $100k for a car or whatever they sell for. If they produced those cars in bulk for $30k you wouldn't be able to buy one because they would be constantly sold out.

where does the electricity come from?

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves actually, as it stands, the US has about 8, not a few, and I wonder if that number reflects those oil reserves that are in the gulf and north dakota as I don't think they know how much exactly we have there yet.

That's a good chart - but it has a flaw.

Look up the number, in billions of gallons per year, that the US uses.

It varies a bit, and is down a bit now.

Then divide.

Here, I'll make it easy - this is the official DOE number.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/ask/crudeoil_...s_consume_year

In 2009, the United States consumed a total of 6.9 billion barrels of oil (refined petroleum products and biofuels), which was about 27% of total world oil consumption.

Now, when our economy was booming, we were using about 8.2 billion gallons per year, but we are much weaker now.

Interesting to see this chart now says we have 21 billion gallons of oil reserves - a year ago the same chart would have said 23.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

WOW, would of lost money if I bet!
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

That's exactly it. Everyone thinks we get all of our oil from the Middle East. Fucking common sense should tell you it's a lot cheaper buying from our Canadian friends than shipping it in from a desert a billion miles away.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's exactly it. Everyone thinks we get all of our oil from the Middle East. Fucking common sense should tell you it's a lot cheaper buying from our Canadian friends than shipping it in from a desert a billion miles away.

Depends on the workers wages, ha
Why do we get everything from China then, and not Canada?

Im just playing around here, the main reason is I didn't know Canada had so much oil.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

That's a good chart - but it has a flaw.

Look up the number, in billions of gallons per year, that the US uses.

It varies a bit, and is down a bit now.

Then divide.

Here, I'll make it easy - this is the official DOE number.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/ask/crudeoil_...s_consume_year



Now, when our economy was booming, we were using about 8.2 billion gallons per year, but we are much weaker now.

Interesting to see this chart now says we have 21 billion gallons of oil reserves - a year ago the same chart would have said 23.

There is little doubt that we consume way too much, but I still think we have more oil than people think. I found this article which was interesting in the way our need is growing
http://oil.com/articles/US_oil_consu...ential_growth/

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

where does the electricity come from?

Nuclear? Solar? Hydro?

[Agent 488]

who cares? the american empire is over and the whole world has shifted focus where the new center of power is. you sound like a couple old men fighting who was the toughest guy in grade five.

canada is moving its trade away from the us to china and india. they know what they have to do to survive.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Nuclear? Solar? Hydro?

I'm 2 miles away from the 2nd biggest dam in the US

[CaptainHowdy]

"Crap" - An very american way to put the rebellion on Egypt, hehehehe.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

There is little doubt that we consume way too much, but I still think we have more oil than people think. I found this article which was interesting in the way our need is growing
http://oil.com/articles/US_oil_consu...ential_growth/

one of the reasons I despise obama is that he is ignoring the looming crisis of the end of the cheap oil age.

we should be taking money from wars and defense and spending it building the beginnings of an energy system to start to replace cheap oil, and prepare for the coming era of expensive oil.

we are going to wait until it is too late, then have to spend 5 times as much to ceate an emergency system that works less well, making the mistakes that desperate people always make (like corn based ethanol) along the way.

one of those mistakes will be your "idea" (your media's idea) of drill baby drill.

so as far as I'm concerned you can just go ahead and drill all you want now. when the crisis hits and people start screaming for energy, your drillers will just do a worse job, waste more money, and ruin more resources, so why not get it over with now.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

one of the reasons I despise obama is that he is ignoring the looming crisis of the end of the cheap oil age.

we should be taking money from wars and defense and spending it building the beginnings of an energy system to start to replace cheap oil, and prepare for the coming era of expensive oil.

we are going to wait until it is too late, then have to spend 5 times as much to ceate an emergency system that works less well, making the mistakes that desperate people always make (like corn based ethanol) along the way.

one of those mistakes will be your "idea" (your media's idea) of drill baby drill.

so as far as I'm concerned you can just go ahead and drill all you want now. when the crisis hits and people start screaming for energy, your drillers will just do a worse job, waste more money, and ruin more resources, so why not get it over with now.

It's not about just the drilling, just south of Sacramento California, they built a nuclear power plant, it's empty. I lived on a nuclear powered ship for over 3 years, you're not going to prove to me that it's unsafe, it's just the way they run it.
I want to see cleaner burning cars that get 100 mph and haul ass, they should have it already, but they don't. I had a buddy that had a VW with a diesel in it back in the 80's and it ran all month on a tank a gas.........

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Nuclear? Solar? Hydro?

not yet - still too much from oil and coal.

and i know many people on here will not agree, but to me nuclear is no option either. just look at the remains of Chernobyl, there's no guarantee that this cannot happen again but somewhere else and even on a much bigger scale.

water, wind, sun, geothermal - thats what should be explored. creates new jobs too

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

Fuck that, they've ruined the bayous down here already. The oil is still everywhere down here, and tons of debris left over like anchors. It SUCKS. BAD.

yeah, its fine in most peoples mind until it directly effects them directly.

[tony286]

it must be nice when you dont need campaign contributions.you can do real work. China doesnt have to worry about oil money to get elected.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/bu...al/18yuan.html
"That belief has underpinned China?s rapid expansion in renewable energy, because it tends to be made in China, Mr. Li said. China has just emerged as the world?s largest manufacturer of wind turbines and solar panels, and plans to be the world?s biggest builder of nuclear power plants in the coming decade. It invested nearly twice as much as the United States last year in renewable energy."

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's not about just the drilling, just south of Sacramento California, they built a nuclear power plant, it's empty. I lived on a nuclear powered ship for over 3 years, you're not going to prove to me that it's unsafe, it's just the way they run it.
I want to see cleaner burning cars that get 100 mph and haul ass, they should have it already, but they don't. I had a buddy that had a VW with a diesel in it back in the 80's and it ran all month on a tank a gas.........

I have no fundamental objections to nuclear, as long as the plants use modern design and principles.

It is expensive, but it should be part of the era of expensive oil plan.

the problem with nuclear is that companies wont build them without big government guarantees that protect them from waste disposal costs.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

I have no fundamental objections to nuclear, as long as the plants use modern design and principles.

It is expensive, but it should be part of the era of expensive oil plan.

the problem with nuclear is that companies wont build them without big government guarantees that protect them from waste disposal costs.

Yeah it's not ran right
The power supply for a naval nuclear reactor is the size of a softball, it can power the ship for about 10 years. A modern carrier can run on one of two reactors and power a city that it's ported in with the other.