What are the dangers of MDMA (ecstasy)

[Machete_]

My friend has some, and i've been reading about it online and it doesn't seem that bad. So why is ecstasy considered a "hard drug"?

[CYF]

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml

[papill0n]

it is the shit they make it with

plenty of stories of fried brains from too much E

[~Ray]

welcome to 1989

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by papill0n

it is the shit they make it with

plenty of stories of fried brains from too much E

mild to extreme mood lift, euphoria
increased willingness to communicate
increase in energy (stimulation)
ego softening
decreased fear, anxiety, and insecurities
feelings of comfort, belonging, and closeness to others
feelings of love and empathy
forgiveness of self and others
a sense of inner peace and acceptance of self, others, and the world
increased awareness & appreciation of music
increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell)
increased tactile sensation (pleasure from the sense of touch and being touched)
life-changing spiritual experiences
sensations bright and intense
urge to hug and kiss people
analgesia, anti-nocioception, decreased pain perception

Sound pretty fun to me

[papill0n]

well what can I tell ya then

buy 50 and go nuts

[czarina]

it's made from rat poison, you're sure you want to put that in your system?

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by Machete_

My friend has some, and i've been reading about it online and it doesn't seem that bad. So why is ecstasy considered a "hard drug"?

Well "X" is cut with speed sometimes.

[Archivist]

It will make you chew your face a bit and tell people you would normally despise that you love them.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by RycEric

Well "X" is cut with speed sometimes.

isn't X and Speed the same thing ?

[k0nr4d]

Be careful wtih that stuff, i got molested by a pretty ugly chick at a rave once...

[GTS Mark]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vcfJdFaf25o

[Tantrixxx]

Aren't you considered to be legally insane after like 14 hits of acid or something?

[candyflip]

In moderation, you are going to be ok.

Prolonged abuse or use with something like cocaine aren't going to do your brain much good.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Machete_

mild to extreme mood lift, euphoria
increased willingness to communicate
increase in energy (stimulation)
ego softening
decreased fear, anxiety, and insecurities
feelings of comfort, belonging, and closeness to others
feelings of love and empathy
forgiveness of self and others
a sense of inner peace and acceptance of self, others, and the world
increased awareness & appreciation of music
increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell)
increased tactile sensation (pleasure from the sense of touch and being touched)
life-changing spiritual experiences
sensations bright and intense
urge to hug and kiss people
analgesia, anti-nocioception, decreased pain perception

Sound pretty fun to me

Sounds about right.

I did it off and for 3 years(about every 2 weeks on a Sat.). It helped me deal with some of my serious childhood issues that resurfaced when i was 30. Was some of the best times of my life. I have zero regrets and zero issues from the use.


But like anything, you will find the people that will seriously abuse it and will always fall on the negative side of the drug studies.



Have not touched it in the last 5 years.

[alias]

Pop one.

[CurrentlySober]

I used to do it every weekend back in 96 / 97

It used to be pure(er) then. Would do 2, max 3 during the entire night, and have a great time. No issues at all...

Then, a lot of fake shit came onto the scene and people were doing like 10 / 15 pills at a time, just to get a hit... Needless to say these same people started getting ill...

[Robbie]

I remember back a couple of decades when they first started reporting on "X" in the news. It was being given to older people in their final years to keep them from being depressed.

I can remember Dan Rather on the CBS evening news talking about some study being done in Colorado at the time.

I did some in the late 1980's...the "real" stuff. But what I really like is blotter acid. So being accustomed to doing that and still walking onstage with my band and playing 5 45 minute sets a night...the X seemed pretty lame and a waste of money to me.

Good blotter was $4 a hit. I'd cut that one little piece of paper into 4 tiny pieces of paper and do a quarter hit a night. Felt GREAT for 8 hours straight. Lots of energy, thought process through the roof, hand to eye coordination increased, and not enough in me to get me loopy. It was the perfect combination for singing and playing guitar in a band.

The X? Just kinda lame and overpriced.

And a couple of clubs I played at during the 90's would have "Rave Nights". We would finish playing at 3 a.m. Then the club would lock up all the liquor. Then thousands of teenagers would come in and pay a big ass cover charge.

Within about an hour they would all be lying on the floor rubbing each others shoulders listening to Rave DJ's for the next 6 hours or so.

The cops did security and told me that they loved having the kids on X because they were so mellow and there was never any problems.

Don't know why they call those events a "Rave". They should call it a "Sleep Over" lol

[L-Pink]

Unless you do a stupid amount the dangers are herpes or un-wanted pregnancies.


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[JJ Gold]

It makes you feel empathy toward others. Who the fuck wants that?

[Agent 488]

aint gonna kill you. pop a couple and enjoy yourself.

[PiracyPitbull]

Enjoyed it in the late 80's, early 90's.

Good gear back then - limitless energy with mild trips.

Many hours hilarity watching some guy conversing with the cigarette machine (there always was one) and dancing your nuts off.

Gear went crap in the mid nineties - monged out people do not make the best raves

As for now. I havent tried it in over 10 years and wouldnt suspect the quality has reverted.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by Archivist

It will make you chew your face a bit and tell people you would normally despise that you love them.

How badly does it affect your jaw? Is it just like a mild grind or an uncontrollable urge to rip apart your mouth?

[Machete_]

I heard you couldn't get it up on E.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by Machete_

isn't X and Speed the same thing ?

Not from what I have seen in the past. I used to watch people make their own magic pill potions with those empty pill capsules.

[ScriptWorkz]

For the most part X is a little sketchy in general because most of the shit out there today was cooked up in somebodies bathtub somewhere with all kinds of random shit, if you can get it from a trustworthy / reputable source it can definitely be a good time.

Important things to remember when taking X:
1. Don't drink too much water, you need to stay hydrated but you can easily drink too much.
2. Don't drink booze with it.
3. DO NOT do cocaine with it, cocaine and mdma mixed in the right amounts creates a neuro toxin
Infact, if you insist on doing something else with it, just smoke a blunt or something, your alot safer that way.
4. Get and chew winterfresh or similiar gum, your jaw, taste buds, and buzz will thank you later.
5. Don't have anything too intensive planned for the next morning, you'll probably be dragging ass
6. If you don't have anything planned the next morning and wanna try to get a little of the buzz back, drink some OJ. something with OJ brings back the buzz for alot of people

As far as what it's cut with, it's most commonly cut with ether, meth, or heroin, which can usually screw you if you have to take a piss test for some reason.

Also, dunno that anyone i know that has taken it has ever not been able to get it up. I've heard stories of people fucking around / fucking for anywhere between like 4 and 12 hours pretty much straight.

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by alias

Pop one.

or 2

[k0nr4d]

The grinding isn't bad. MDMA doesn't cause grinding, its actually the meth they often cut the pills with that does that. You can get it up but it kinda feels rubbery and wierd.

[Roald]

Have fun with Hollands biggest export product ;))

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by ScriptWorkz

For the most part X is a little sketchy in general because most of the shit out there today was cooked up in somebodies bathtub somewhere with all kinds of random shit

This. If you're in the US the chance that you are actually getting pure MDMA is pretty slim. Most rolls are made god knows where by god knows who with god knows what in it.

I have heard if you can get your hands on the real thing it's an enjoyable experience, but in my neck of the woods I've seen too many kids burned up on bad shit to mess w/ it.

[tiger]

It's dangerous because the chances of you actually getting real MDMA are slim to none.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Machete_

isn't X and Speed the same thing ?

Not quite. They are chemically related - ecstasy is MDMA - and the letters mean methylene dioxy meth amphetamine.

So, it is an amphetamine, but the addition of the methylene dioxy group adds a bunch of effects not experienced with the other amphetamines.

It's less common than people here are saying to get adulterated MDMA - but it's not impossible. Basically, you have to be sure the people you are getting it from are experienced, and get their assurance that it's good quality.

Generally, there are relatively few dangers from good mdma. Most of the negative sides effects come when people keep trying to take enough of it to get an effect day after day. Tolerance build up EXTREMELY fast, so to get the same effect on day two, you have to take 3 times as much - and on day 3, 6 times as much. At that level you start to get some toxicity.

If you take it once, then wait a week before taking it again, bad side effects are rare.

However, one should always be careful with all drugs, especially amphetamines.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Machete_

I heard you couldn't get it up on E.

you can get a hardon, but it's less easy to stay hard. Orgasm and ejaculation is possible, but it takes longer, and the urgency to orgasm often fades, despite having an intensely sexual experience,

however, one of the best drug experiences you will ever have is taking mdma with a woman you enjoy being with, or love.

my favorite way to take is is (was) with a woman, just the two of us.

you will be havng so much fun that not being able to stay hard just won't be an issue.

it's not a seduction experience, it's an intimacy and pleasure experience.

[Bill8]

The feeling of loss when you start to come down can be a bit of a bummer.

To reduce this I liked to take it in pulses - take about 150-200 mg, then an hour and a half later, just as you are staring to rush hard, take another 75-100 mg.

This smooths out the comedown a lot. I wouldn't do it any other way if I could avoid it.

You coast down, rather than falling down.

[Overload]

science: abuse of xtc for a long period KILLS yer ability to feel JOY ...

i went tripping in my twens when E was new ... yes, it is a funny ride if you are willing to let go ... but over the night you will tend to pop in more and after the fifth (depending on the quality) or so you will start chewing altho yer not eating anything ... you will kinda try to grind yer teeth - you loose control over the jaws :/ and the hangover is usually really bad coz ya dont get drunk at all ... blunts are not even a bit licking on E ... bottomline: if you have a solid mind, try it - but DONT do it daily and not for too long ... best wud be maybe twice a year - not more

[Jakez]

I've tried it once, my friends had done it a few times already and finally pressured me into it, they claimed the shit they get was 'really good pure shit' blah blah, who knows.

Popped 1 and I was having a good time, smoked a few blunts also, only thing I hated was that I was being overly cautious and kept a big 64oz cup of water that I sipped constantly thinking I was going to overheat or something lol. It didn't help that the a/c was broke in the persons house we were at and this is in Florida humidity.

The experience was pleasant but I could hardly goto sleep and the entire next day I had the worst migraine I've ever experienced in my life. I've never had a migraine only some headaches or whatever but that was a fucking migraine for sure. I figured it was just cut with some bad shit, but everyone else was fine. Never again.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Jakez

Popped 1 and I was having a good time, smoked a few blunts also, only thing I hated was that I was being overly cautious and kept a big 64oz cup of water that I sipped constantly thinking I was going to overheat or something lol. It didn't help that the a/c was broke in the persons house we were at and this is in Florida humidity.

You may have drunk too much water - impossible to say from what you just wrote, but one of the dangers is excessive hydration (because of the panic stories spread by the media about dehydration) causing electrolyte dilution in the cells.

There's a ruckus about this subject happening in california - somebody is passing out a card at parties describing the dangers of mdma, and excessive hydration is on the list. Of course the rightwing is all "IT'S WRONG TO GIVE KIDS ANY MESSAGE BUT DRUGS ARE BAD M'KAY!"

I mention it tho because the card correctly identifies excessive hydration as undesireable. Don't drink a gallon of water. Drink some water.

Or you may be part of the percentage of people that reacts badly to amphetamines.

Did other amphetamines give you migraine?

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Machete_

My friend has some, and i've been reading about it online and it doesn't seem that bad. So why is ecstasy considered a "hard drug"?

At raves, this song used to be the shit back in 99.




And this song, damn... I got thrown clear across an entire mosh pit circle to this song.

[TurboAngel]

I was at a club with TF and localG and there was a guy ODing. Poor guy was sweating up a storm and shaking, the cop's were just laughing at him waiting for the ambulance. So I would never try any of that shit.

[scubadiver626]

X, Viagra and sex marathons. Everybody needs to do this just once with someone you love.

The after effects kinda suck tho... sore from fucking, deplete of seretonin, and 2 days until you truly feel normal again. We still do it once very few months.

Normal sex is great, sex on x is mind/body blowing.

[uno]

Originally Posted by czarina

it's made from rat poison, you're sure you want to put that in your system?

No its not. Don't be a moron.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Tantrixxx

Aren't you considered to be legally insane after like 14 hits of acid or something?

Nope. God, did you people learn this crap from DARE and after school specials?

[uno]

Originally Posted by ScriptWorkz

For the most part X is a little sketchy in general because most of the shit out there today was cooked up in somebodies bathtub somewhere with all kinds of random shit, if you can get it from a trustworthy / reputable source it can definitely be a good time.

Important things to remember when taking X:
1. Don't drink too much water, you need to stay hydrated but you can easily drink too much.
2. Don't drink booze with it.
3. DO NOT do cocaine with it, cocaine and mdma mixed in the right amounts creates a neuro toxin
Infact, if you insist on doing something else with it, just smoke a blunt or something, your alot safer that way.
4. Get and chew winterfresh or similiar gum, your jaw, taste buds, and buzz will thank you later.
5. Don't have anything too intensive planned for the next morning, you'll probably be dragging ass
6. If you don't have anything planned the next morning and wanna try to get a little of the buzz back, drink some OJ. something with OJ brings back the buzz for alot of people

As far as what it's cut with, it's most commonly cut with ether, meth, or heroin, which can usually screw you if you have to take a piss test for some reason.

Also, dunno that anyone i know that has taken it has ever not been able to get it up. I've heard stories of people fucking around / fucking for anywhere between like 4 and 12 hours pretty much straight.

You have no clue about most of what you're spouting as fact.

[woj]

Originally Posted by tiger

It's dangerous because the chances of you actually getting real MDMA are slim to none.

[VikingMan]

Almost nobody who says they are doing MDMA is actually doing the real thing. Drug dealers make all sorts of cheap concoctions, call it MDMA, and then sell it to douchebag ravers. Real MDMA became very scarce about 20 years ago. If you can't fall asleep on it then it is not MDMA. Most of that shit sold now is full of speed.

[Django]

Originally Posted by Roald

Have fun with Hollands biggest export product ;))

[Dead]

Originally Posted by uno

You have no clue about most of what you're spouting as fact.

Unreal the misinformation that is spread about a wonderful chemical.

[cam_girls]

2 things to remember

DRINK 1 - 2 LITERS OF SOFT DRINK

DON'T DANCE 10 HOURS STRAIGHT

Remember that, and you have as much chance of a dying as an around the world jet flight.\

Which is more fun is for you to decide!

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Side effects are being really happy, and willingness to fuck anything with tits. Dose yourself before during and after with 5-HTP. It'll help limit how badly you hate the world the next day...

[Buzz]

*it ruins your immune system (especially if you use it regularly, even once a month is regular)
*it ruins your endocrine system - any gland pumping vital hormones within your body may say "fuck you, I'm quit" anytime
*depression - do you think you know what depression is? No you dont until you've suffered mdma hangover
*there are also minor risks like having unprotected sex with unknown people while you're high

It doesn't mean you WILL have those symptoms, but there's a good chance you will, depending on your health condition.