Libya Vrs Iraq LMAO!!!

[sperbonzo]

This is FREAKING HILARIOUS!!

[DEA - banned for life]

those europeans have have windmills ..they dont need oil

[sperbonzo]

This should really be watched by every person that is for War in Libya, but was against War in Iraq... It's great stuff.



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[seeandsee]

Winingggggggggggggggg

[L-Pink]

Excellent

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[BlackCrayon]

dumb...you say you are libertarian yet post all this repub crap.

please try and answer this one...why did the US wait 25 years after he gassed the kurds to go after saddam? he was not killing his own people when bush was pushing for war with iraq.

fact is, if the republicans were in office people like yourself would be posting things of the exact opposite nature and supporting the 'war' in libya. you are no better than the people who are suddenly ok with war because the dems are in office now.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

dumb...you say you are libertarian yet post all this repub crap.

please try and answer this one...why did the US wait 25 years after he gassed the kurds to go after saddam? he was not killing his own people when bush was pushing for war with iraq.

fact is, if the republicans were in office people like yourself would be posting things of the exact opposite nature and supporting the 'war' in libya. you are no better than the people who are suddenly ok with war because the dems are in office now.

This is not republican. This is about the irony of what is going on. I never said that I was against this war. I have said several times that I have not made up my mind about it. Where are you getting this from?

BTW, you really need to get your facts straight. Saddam was gassing Kurds in the 1990s, until the No-fly zone was set up, and he violated the terms of the cease fire, many, many times after that. In addition, there were plenty of people being killed in Iraq besides the Kurds.

Either way, the fact that people were all SO AGAINST the Iraq war and yet are all SO FOR the Libya war is what this video is talking about. Don't you see the irony here?

Did you watch it? Is there something in the video that is not correct?


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[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

This is FREAKING HILARIOUS!!

That is really classic..... but don't expect the left to ever acknowledge the outrageous hypocrisy of their ever shifting positions. Remember that to a Marxist all truth is relative and is just part of the class struggle "narrative".

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

This is not republican. This is about the irony of what is going on. I never said that I was against this war. I have said several times that I have not made up my mind about it. Where are you getting this from?

BTW, you really need to get your facts straight. Saddam was gassing Kurds in the 1990s, until the No-fly zone was set up, and he violated the terms of the cease fire, many, many times after that. In addition, there were plenty of people being killed in Iraq besides the Kurds.

Either way, the fact that people were all SO AGAINST the Iraq war and yet are all SO FOR the Libya war is what this video is talking about. Don't you see the irony here?

Did you watch it? Is there something in the video that is not correct?


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its totally one sided and makes no attempt to be serious. if you don't believe in what is said in the video, then why post it or say 'everyone' has to see it. regardless if i had the dates a bit wrong, the US sat back and did nothing because he was on 'our' side then. sure saddam was a piece of shit, killed people but he was not bombing them from the sky at the time bush wanted war with them. at the time iraq was one of the more progressive middle eastern countries. now its in rubbles.

do you not see the irony that if this was a republican administration doing this people like yourself would be justifying it instead of demonizing it? its only because the dems are in office that the type who supported the war in iraq would be against this 'war'.

[PornGreen]

needs done with real actors to be effective.

[PornoMonster]

Winning, LOL

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

do you not see the irony that if this was a republican administration doing this people like yourself would be justifying it instead of demonizing it? its only because the dems are in office that the type who supported the war in iraq would be against this 'war'.

I will say it one last time since your reading comprehension skills seem to be so poor. I HAVE NEVER DEMONIZED THIS PRESENT WAR. Please show me where I have.

Do you have any thought that is not simply rhetoric? Do you actually read/listen to people that you are conversing with, or do you spend the whole time merely thinking about what YOU are going to say?


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[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I will say it one last time since your reading comprehension skills seem to be so poor. I HAVE NEVER DEMONIZED THIS PRESENT WAR. Please show me where I have.

Do you have any thought that is not simply rhetoric? Do you actually read/listen to people that you are conversing with, or do you spend the whole time merely thinking about what YOU are going to say?


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fine, take yourself out of the equation. I am talking about people saying its an illegal war, republicans who think we shouldn't be there but that we should of been in iraq to 'liberate' the people and stop that evil saddam.

you posted that video, saying how great it was...i'm sorry if i assumed you believed what was said in it.

[Kiopa_Matt]

Ummm, you're forgetting a few key points:

1.) Libya is attacking and murdering it's own citizens RIGHT NOW, this very minute, not 15 years ago.

2.) This is a UN and NATO sanctioned mission. Iraq invasion wasn't, and didn't get approval from the UN. Iraq invasion was against international law, whereas Libya isn't.

3.) Iraq invasion was based on the US administration fabricating a link between al-Queda (sp) and Saddam, plus the fact Iraq had WMDs and was about to attack the US any minute. Both turned out to be completely false. Libya is because the Libyan military is murdering its own citizens THIS VERY MINUTE.

4.) For now at least, it's air strikes only, and a ground invasion hasn't happened (at least yet).

Not saying I agree with NATO going into Libya, but trying to compare that to Iraq is just fucking stupid.

[pornguy]

Best part.. " Oh God! "

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Ummm, you're forgetting a few key points:

1.) Libya is attacking and murdering it's own citizens RIGHT NOW, this very minute, not 15 years ago.

2.) This is a UN and NATO sanctioned mission. Iraq invasion wasn't, and didn't get approval from the UN. Iraq invasion was against international law, whereas Libya isn't.

3.) Iraq invasion was based on the US administration fabricating a link between al-Queda (sp) and Saddam, plus the fact Iraq had WMDs and was about to attack the US any minute. Both turned out to be completely false. Libya is because the Libyan military is murdering its own citizens THIS VERY MINUTE.

4.) For now at least, it's air strikes only, and a ground invasion hasn't happened (at least yet).

Not saying I agree with NATO going into Libya, but trying to compare that to Iraq is just fucking stupid.

I hope you realize that you are kind of proving the point of this video....


Never mind. There are none so blind....



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[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Ummm, you're forgetting a few key points:

1.) Libya is attacking and murdering it's own citizens RIGHT NOW, this very minute, not 15 years ago.

2.) This is a UN and NATO sanctioned mission. Iraq invasion wasn't, and didn't get approval from the UN. Iraq invasion was against international law, whereas Libya isn't.

3.) Iraq invasion was based on the US administration fabricating a link between al-Queda (sp) and Saddam, plus the fact Iraq had WMDs and was about to attack the US any minute. Both turned out to be completely false. Libya is because the Libyan military is murdering its own citizens THIS VERY MINUTE.

4.) For now at least, it's air strikes only, and a ground invasion hasn't happened (at least yet).

Not saying I agree with NATO going into Libya, but trying to compare that to Iraq is just fucking stupid.

So why does the UN Protect one set of people and not the other?
Why did the UN act so fast to allow strikes, when the UN passed 16 resolutions on Iraq in 2002 before the war in 2003.

Don't you think the UN because of past events (Iraq), have learned they waited to long.

There were more than 2 things that lead to the War. Sadam had over a year to hide WMD's. Let's say for you, there was not any, was it the presidents fault he had bad intel, from MANY sources and countries?
My personal belief from what I know, and what I seen, he destroyed and hid those fuckers.

I guess we have several other countries to bomb if we are protecting the people against the Gov.

I have learned that whatever the current admin is in office at the time, will do what they want.
What I have a problem with is the current persident rode his magic carpet of stopping the wars. Yes, hind sight the nice political words ALL politicans use can be seen different ways. go do a poll of the young Americans that voted for Obama, and what they believed Obama was going to do was end the wars that were costing so much money and Illegal, LOL Irony

[Kiopa_Matt]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I hope you realize that you are kind of proving the point of this video....


Never mind. There are none so blind....

If anything, currently Libya should be compared to Yugoslavia, not Iraq. At least for now, but that may change in the future. If a ground invasion happens, with permanent military bases being built in Libya, then it's a different story.

For now though, the comparison is retarded.

[EpicPanda]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Ummm, you're forgetting a few key points:

1.) Libya is attacking and murdering it's own citizens RIGHT NOW, this very minute, not 15 years ago.

2.) This is a UN and NATO sanctioned mission. Iraq invasion wasn't, and didn't get approval from the UN. Iraq invasion was against international law, whereas Libya isn't.

3.) Iraq invasion was based on the US administration fabricating a link between al-Queda (sp) and Saddam, plus the fact Iraq had WMDs and was about to attack the US any minute. Both turned out to be completely false. Libya is because the Libyan military is murdering its own citizens THIS VERY MINUTE.

4.) For now at least, it's air strikes only, and a ground invasion hasn't happened (at least yet).

Not saying I agree with NATO going into Libya, but trying to compare that to Iraq is just fucking stupid.

This.

[DWB]

Brilliant.

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

This should really be watched by every person that is for War in Libya, but was against War in Iraq... It's great stuff.



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im absolutely astonished that such people exist.

[OY]

Michael.... U and Vino need to leave Florida for a few months and stay with us windmilling Euros for a bit. It may hurt but it may also help us understand, with your assistance, how to avoid being so negative towards certain US politics being Repub. or Dem. - libertarian or otherwise.

Please help us!!!!

[Barry-xlovecam]

Making Apples look
like oranges ...

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[TheDoc]

It's funny, because it's so slanted and backwards..

Most of the people I've heard supporting this conflict, are the right/republicans, not saying others don't, but the majority are for sure right. The same people that supported the Iraq war. At first, it was... we need to go in now now now... then when Obama did it changed to, he broke the laws, constitution, etc.

I'm sure people on all sides flip all directions, but I haven't really seen many of the leftists here really be in favor of it.

For me, I don't think we should be in any wars, we don't have the money.... being that we are, it's a hell of a lot better than being lied to and fed a load of crap then telling the rest of the world to piss off and to stand with us or be terrorists.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

This should really be watched by every person that is for War in Libya, but was against War in Iraq... It's great stuff.



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The difference is the Iraq war was done under false pretense.

This time the UN and the international order was respected.

[J. Falcon]

"Obama is cool and awesome"

I found that video pretty damn retarded.

[nico-t]

in response to this here's my take how such a video should be done.

[marlboroack]

Creator should make Hookers VS POrnstars

[HomerSimpson]

"I don't care"

[czarina]

haha, that's going to become a classic

[BFT3K]

Here's my take on this...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=5fRHdTjSUc4

[Emil]

windmills will save the world.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Making Apples look
like oranges ...

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[adultchatpay]

i need oil, need to steal at someone so i can move forward.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by czarina

haha, that's going to become a classic

uhmm it was horrible to look and listen to, and im not talking about the opinion being voiced through it. It was just a really boring and dumb vid and i cant believe some people find it funny. Simplicity at its finest

[xmas13]

Where are the threads linking Barack Obama to the 'War for the Libyan oil' conspiracy theory?

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by nico-t

in response to this here's my take how such a video should be done.

[RaiderCash_Dominik]

I didn't find it funny.

[Bill8]

obama is a rightist centrist who has done nothing that the republicans haven't also done.

obama supporters are, for all practical purposes, centrist republicans.

qaddafi should have been allowed to slaughter his own people - it would have enraged the rest of the young middle-eastern population and nearly guaranteed al qaeda and wahabist takeover of the sovereigns before the end of the decade.

but, the corporations like their partnership with the sovereigns - so the obama admin, which is a wholly owned subsidiary, saw a great oppurtunity to extend the permanent war economy and make the corporations happy.

it is however hilarious to see the right wing spitting on their own stated principles supporting the permanent war economy to condemn obama for doing things better than they were able to.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Simplicity at its finest

That is part of what makes it funny.

[theking]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

So why does the UN Protect one set of people and not the other?
Why did the UN act so fast to allow strikes, when the UN passed 16 resolutions on Iraq in 2002 before the war in 2003.

Don't you think the UN because of past events (Iraq), have learned they waited to long.

There were more than 2 things that lead to the War. Sadam had over a year to hide WMD's. Let's say for you, there was not any, was it the presidents fault he had bad intel, from MANY sources and countries?
My personal belief from what I know, and what I seen, he destroyed and hid those fuckers.

I guess we have several other countries to bomb if we are protecting the people against the Gov.

I have learned that whatever the current admin is in office at the time, will do what they want.
What I have a problem with is the current persident rode his magic carpet of stopping the wars. Yes, hind sight the nice political words ALL politicans use can be seen different ways. go do a poll of the young Americans that voted for Obama, and what they believed Obama was going to do was end the wars that were costing so much money and Illegal, LOL Irony

He did not ride "his magic carpet of stopping the wars"...he in fact stated during the campaign that the troops needed to be focused on Afghanistan and the Iraq conflict be wound down. He has been...and is...doing this. All Combat Arms forces have been withdrawn from Iraq and Combat Arms forces have been increased in Afghanistan with a current withdrawal date of 2014 for Combat Arms forces in Afghanistan.

[Bill8]

A host of articles coming thru the various sources saying this is just the beginning of the strife in the middle east.

Strife in the middle east threatens access to the last remaining superfields of light sweet crude, which means a direct threat to US military supremacy, which depends on light sweet crude, and the US economy and the petrodollar.

This article raises a good question, which is, what exactly is the message obama is sending with an air war?

The United States may be a democracy, but it is also a status quo power, whose position in the world depends on the world staying as it is. In the Middle East, the status quo is unsustainable because populations are no longer afraid of their rulers. Every country is now in play. Even in Syria, with its grisly security services, widespread demonstrations have been reported and protesters killed. There will be no way to appease the region's rival sects, ethnicities and other interest groups except through some form of democratic representation, but anarchic quasi-democracy will satisfy no one. Other groups will emerge, and they may be distinctly illiberal.

Whatever happens in Libya, it is not necessarily a bellwether for the Middle East. The Iranian green movement knows that Western air forces and navies are not about to bomb Iran in the event of a popular uprising, so it is unclear what lesson we are providing to the region. Because outside of Iran, and with the arguable exceptions of Syria and Libya itself, there is no short-term benefit for the U.S. in democratic revolts in the region. In fact, they could be quite destructive to our interests, even as they prove to be unstoppable..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

This article says the big struggle in the mideast now is still the struggle between iran and the sauds - but the big beneficiary of all this activity in the middle east is china.

In the background of the ongoing Middle Eastern drama looms the shadow of a rising China. China is not a "responsible stakeholder" in the international system, as we proclaim it should be; it is a free rider. We are at war in Afghanistan to make it a safe place for China to extract minerals and metals. We have liberated Iraq so that Chinese firms can extract its oil. Now we are at war with Libya, which further diverts us from concentrating on the western Pacific?the center of the world's economic and naval activity?which the Chinese military seeks eventually to dominate.

Every time we intervene somewhere, it quickens the pace at which China, whose leaders relish obscurity in international affairs, closes the gap with us. China will have economic and political problems of its own ahead, no doubt, and these will interrupt its rise. But China is spending much less to acquire an overseas maritime empire than we are spending, with all our interventions, merely to maintain ours.

The arch-realist approach would be to forswear a moral narrative altogether and to concentrate instead on our narrow interests in the Middle East. The problem is that if we don't provide a narrative, others will, notably al Qaeda, whose fortunes will rise as the region's dictators, with their useful security services, struggle to survive.