2.53 Million Unemployed And more demonstrations in the UK

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The total number of unemployed people increased by 27,000 over the quarter to reach 2.53 million, the highest figure since 1994, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS). The number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance (the claimant count) fell by 10,200 between

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117


Thousands stage anti-cuts protest... Yep the UK is fast going down the pan and so many people are loosing thier jobs. Petrol prices are so ridiculously high, food and other commodities just keep going up. Things are not getting better here they are getting worse and people are getting pissed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

[Scott McD]

So people are wrecking shit and causing damge = costing more money.


I get what some are marching for, but really, it will never change anything.
As usual many are out just to cause trouble...

This twitter pos summed it up for me:
"Despicable that there are countries in the world denied peaceful protest and here where that right exists, it's mocked and abused by some"

Yet again the protest will be over shadowed by those who covered up their faces and decided to damage the ritz hotel amongst other propertys.

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Originally Posted by Altwebdesign

This twitter pos summed it up for me:
"Despicable that there are countries in the world denied peaceful protest and here where that right exists, it's mocked and abused by some"

Yet again the protest will be over shadowed by those who covered up their faces and decided to damage the ritz hotel amongst other propertys.

Yep you always get idiots that spoil a peacefull demonstration

[Si]

Good 'ol blighty!

Can't say I miss it

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Si

Good 'ol blighty!

Can't say I miss it

This country is an even worse pile of shyte now lol

[Si]

Originally Posted by halfpint

This country is an even worse pile of shyte now lol

Other than friends and family, the only things I miss are Savaloys and Cheese and Onion crisps. What does that tell you?

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I think we are gonna see more and more of this. I talk to a lot of the general public from all walks of life and all I hear from most of them is how they are struggling to live and the resentment they have against our current government.

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[Si]

Originally Posted by halfpint

I think we are gonna see more and more of this. I talk to a lot of the general public from all walks of life and all I hear from most of them is how they are struggling to live and the resentment they have against our current government.

Didn't have much choice by the look of it!

Brown - Cameron - Tea Boy Clegg

Not really anyone there that I would have voted for lol.

[DVTimes]

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Labour leader Ed (jerk) Miliband MP addresses thousands at the TUC Rally in Hyde Park

[DVTimes]

i should have gone.

given some of those scum police a good kicking.

and then nicked as much as i could have from the shops.

i would have loved to set london on fire.

hope it spreads accross the uk.

love to go on a riot on sunday.

[Davy]

Buy food, as long as you still can!

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Si

Didn't have much choice by the look of it!

Brown - Cameron - Tea Boy Clegg

Not really anyone there that I would have voted for lol.

Yep they are all the same no matter who you get in power I have gotten to the stage where I dont even bother voting any more. Politicians and bankers are the biggest liars and hypocrites in our society

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

i should have gone.

given some of those scum police a good kicking.

and then nicked as much as i could have from the shops.

i would have loved to set london on fire.

hope it spreads accross the uk.

love to go on a riot on sunday.

lol ....nice pics you posted btw

[Si]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Yep they are all the same no matter who you get in power I have gotten to the stage where I dont even bother voting any more. Politicians and bankers are the biggest liars and hypocrites in our society

[Welshmorph]

It's about time someone bombed Wolverhampton. Preferably near to and including Molineaux and preferably on a match day.

Morph

[Paul Markham]

Were there many private sector workers in the protests?

It seems to me that the people who got the money that caused the massive debt, don't want to have any part in paying it back. They want to keep getting the money the UK can't afford.

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Originally Posted by Welshmorph

It's about time someone bombed Wolverhampton. Preferably near to and including Molineaux and preferably on a match day.

Morph

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Were there many private sector workers in the protests?

It seems to me that the people who got the money that caused the massive debt, don't want to have any part in paying it back. They want to keep getting the money the UK can't afford.

Us tax payers bailed most of the banks out when the shit hit the fan a year later they are still paying millions of GBP to the top bankers as bonuses the very people who stuffed things up in the first place.

Cuting public sector workers and services has a big impact on the private sector too, so the governments so called cuts and savings hits us all. Then the politicians vote for relaxing thier own expenses so they can basically claim more when only a while ago they were being caught for abusing it. Its like they are squeezing all the workers pockets every way they damm can to fill thier own.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

i should have gone.

given some of those scum police a good kicking.

and then nicked as much as i could have from the shops.

i would have loved to set london on fire.

hope it spreads accross the uk.

love to go on a riot on sunday.

Retard !!!

[PornoStar69]

staged by the illuminati

order out of chaos

they must be loving this

Originally Posted by Welshmorph

It's about time someone bombed Wolverhampton. Preferably near to and including Molineaux and preferably on a match day.

Morph

Whats wrong with wolverhampton? I spent some good weekends there LMAO!!!

But in all seriousness, these fucking idiots with their faces covered ruined it, yet again, the whole point of the protests was over shadowed by those too scared to show their faces, yet theyre big enough to smash windows... well done people!!

[Welshmorph]

Originally Posted by Altwebdesign

Whats wrong with wolverhampton?

I'm a West Brom fan.

Morph

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by Altwebdesign

Whats wrong with wolverhampton? I spent some good weekends there LMAO!!!

But in all seriousness, these fucking idiots with their faces covered ruined it, yet again, the whole point of the protests was over shadowed by those too scared to show their faces, yet theyre big enough to smash windows... well done people!!

A peaceful protest doesn't do much. A violent protest gets press, and gets the attention of the power-elite - they may have power and wealth, but they're still mortals like everyone else - it's a tight-rope they walk to maintain their rule while appeasing the masses, which greatly outnumber them, to avoid a French Revolution type scenario.

Ron

[redwhiteandblue]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Us tax payers bailed most of the banks out when the shit hit the fan a year later they are still paying millions of GBP to the top bankers as bonuses the very people who stuffed things up in the first place.

Cuting public sector workers and services has a big impact on the private sector too, so the governments so called cuts and savings hits us all. Then the politicians vote for relaxing thier own expenses so they can basically claim more when only a while ago they were being caught for abusing it. Its like they are squeezing all the workers pockets every way they damm can to fill thier own.

We didn't bail "most" of the banks out at all. The government part-nationalised two of the banks. Of the others, Barclays sought capital elsewhere and shunned government support, and HSBC didn't need any. What a lot of people fail to realise is that when the time is right the government will sell its shares in those banks and make a profit on them, but not while the idiots in the media want to blame the banks for everything.

The trouble with a lot of people is that they seem to think money grows on trees, and the way to get us out of our debt is to borrow even more money. Osbourne is the one walking a tightrope right now, what we really need to get the country moving is tax cuts but he can't afford them.

[izzynew]

Originally Posted by Altwebdesign

But in all seriousness, these fucking idiots with their faces covered ruined it, yet again, the whole point of the protests was over shadowed by those too scared to show their faces, yet theyre big enough to smash windows... well done people!!

Rentamob sent in to discredit the demo and give the press 'mob violence' pictures to post.
Don't know if it'll work so well this time. People are pretty angry right now.

[blackmonsters]

Meanwhile in Libya.............

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

We didn't bail "most" of the banks out at all. The government part-nationalised two of the banks. Of the others, Barclays sought capital elsewhere and shunned government support, and HSBC didn't need any. What a lot of people fail to realise is that when the time is right the government will sell its shares in those banks and make a profit on them, but not while the idiots in the media want to blame the banks for everything.

The trouble with a lot of people is that they seem to think money grows on trees, and the way to get us out of our debt is to borrow even more money. Osbourne is the one walking a tightrope right now, what we really need to get the country moving is tax cuts but he can't afford them.

And where do you think the goverment got the money from to help the banks out ..from us tax payers. So its fine for us tax payers to bail the banks out while a few years down the line the very people who fucked up are still receiving millions of pounds in bonouses ....really makes sense. We all know money does not grow on trees but try telling that to our bankers and politicians. They are all a bunch of lying scumbags linning thier own pockets with our hard earned money.

Brown and Darling explain bail-out

The government is to pump billions of pounds of taxpayers money into three UK banks in one of the UK's biggest nationalisations.

Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), Lloyds TSB and HBOS will have a total of £37bn injected into them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7666570.stm

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A TUC study of company reports and returns reveals that some of the biggest banks – Lloyds TSB, RBS, HSBC and Barclays – “have between them well over 1,000 subsidiary companies incorporated in tax havens

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/43967928-e...#axzz1HmXS5HbQ

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...MEg&refer=home

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-21963186/

Not to mention the Northern Rock fiasco as well

[maxxtro]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Let's smash that window and then I will get a job!?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Us tax payers bailed most of the banks out when the shit hit the fan a year later they are still paying millions of GBP to the top bankers as bonuses the very people who stuffed things up in the first place.

Cuting public sector workers and services has a big impact on the private sector too, so the governments so called cuts and savings hits us all. Then the politicians vote for relaxing thier own expenses so they can basically claim more when only a while ago they were being caught for abusing it. Its like they are squeezing all the workers pockets every way they damm can to fill thier own.

If the banks had not of been bailed out. The results would of been far far worse, go read about the Depression in the 30s.

The truth is banking is one of the few industries that earns enough to make it so worth keeping them in the UK they can't be penalized. Because if they moved their "investments" sides the loss to the UK economy wold be devastating. Don't forget besides Gordon's borrowing one of the things that kept him spending was the income from the banks. Not the High Street Barclay's Bank. The huge dealing rooms in the City.

Gordon Brown "invested" billions in the UK economy. By expanding up the public sector. Which produces 0 profits. The small amount they spent with the private sector was never enough and frankly if it had of been good economics. The UK would have a far better economy.

There's only one thing that fuels an economy. Profits and exports. If you need to borrow what GB borrowed to prop the system up it's not working. Investment at some point shows a benefit and profit.

The funniest thing is Ed Milliband now is telling people the cuts are too severe as a Labour Leader. While demonstrating in a march that wants 0 cuts. See Portugal, Greece and Ireland for what that means.

[Sausage]

England is a welfare state, cuts are needed. Sure people don't want to give up their very generous handouts but sometimes you need to face facts and cut the fat.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If the banks had not of been bailed out. The results would of been far far worse, go read about the Depression in the 30s.

The truth is banking is one of the few industries that earns enough to make it so worth keeping them in the UK they can't be penalized. Because if they moved their "investments" sides the loss to the UK economy wold be devastating. Don't forget besides Gordon's borrowing one of the things that kept him spending was the income from the banks. Not the High Street Barclay's Bank. The huge dealing rooms in the City.

Gordon Brown "invested" billions in the UK economy. By expanding up the public sector. Which produces 0 profits. The small amount they spent with the private sector was never enough and frankly if it had of been good economics. The UK would have a far better economy.

There's only one thing that fuels an economy. Profits and exports. If you need to borrow what GB borrowed to prop the system up it's not working. Investment at some point shows a benefit and profit.

The funniest thing is Ed Milliband now is telling people the cuts are too severe as a Labour Leader. While demonstrating in a march that wants 0 cuts. See Portugal, Greece and Ireland for what that means.

Yes Paul the banks needed to be kept going and thats not what I am getting at. I am pissed at the lies from our goverment and the mega huge payouts which some bankers are still receiving when our econemy is in such a state. Then yesterday the goverment say they are to relax thier rules for politicians expenses. There is also a lot of the private sector firms who do rely on the public sector for contracts so cuting public sector services and jobs will have an effect on the private sector which will most prob cause more job loses. The council over here used to use a hell of a lot of sub contractors from the private sector for building, maintenance, plumbing ect. The public and private sectors work hand in hand so by cutting public sector services it is not going to save us money its going to cause more unenployment in both sectors which we as tax payers then have to prop up by paying out more doll money.

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Anyways iv gotta be off to go earn myself a crust and give the other half to our corrupt goverment

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Yes Paul the banks needed to be kept going and thats not what I am getting at. I am pissed at the lies from our goverment and the mega huge payouts which some bankers are still receiving when our econemy is in such a state. Then yesterday the goverment say they are to relax thier rules for politicians expenses. There is also a lot of the private sector firms who do rely on the public sector for contracts so cuting public sector services and jobs will have an effect on the private sector which will most prob cause more job loses. The council over here used to use a hell of a lot of sub contractors from the private sector for building, maintenance, plumbing ect. The public and private sectors work hand in hand so by cutting public sector services it is not going to save us money its going to cause more unenployment in both sectors which we as tax payers then have to prop up by paying out more doll money.

The lies were first told by Brown, he was "investing" in the British economy. He was actually throwing money down the toilet.

The reality is the investment banks will move out of the UK and take their trillions with them if they want to. Look of it like this.

If an affiliate program cut it's payouts to you from 50% to 25%, would you stay with them if their conversions remained the same?

No of course not. And neither would the investment banks. The French, Germans, Japanese, Chines, Americans, Swiss, Indians and any number of any other country would be lining up offering them favorable deals.

Council spending is nice but it rarely produces a real profit. Nice roads, clean streets, etc. Businesses that produce a profit from selling something rescue economies. Businesses like investment banks. With you in charge the country would be bankrupt, 6 million would be out of work, but the UK would have nice roads.

Welcome to the world of real business.

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

...The reality is the investment banks will move out of the UK and take their trillions with them if they want to...

Much of "their trillions" isn't their money, and furthermore, most of it doesn't even physically exist - they can't take it anywhere.

Banks, in effect, create money under authority of the government in a fractional reserve system through loans and other various financial activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

Most people have the misconception that banks lend out deposits. The reality is very different - banks can literally create new money out of nothing far exceeding the amounts of their reserves (hence, fractional reserve banking). New loans expand the money supply, and repaid / defaulted loans, shrink it...

While governments put safeguards in place in regards to how much new money can be created, derivatives and other exotic financial instruments further complicate matters.

Why should the general public have to bailout the power-elite's failed financial ventures, often involving reckless lending and sketchy derivatives. In my view, and that of many others, Iceland's approach dealing with the banks was far better ... just default and be done with it as opposed to dragging out the misery for decades

Ron

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

I get what some are marching for, but really, it will never change anything.

So you are saying that ALL public protests throughout history haven't achieved anything?

I imagine Emiline Pankhurst for one would take issue with that.

[redwhiteandblue]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

So you are saying that ALL public protests throughout history haven't achieved anything?

I imagine Emiline Pankhurst for one would take issue with that.

People demanding that the government reverse the cuts is like a dying patient demanding the nurse stop giving him his medicine because it doesn't taste very nice. Those who rely on the state for their income are just going to have to realise that the pot is empty, there is no more money. It's not going to be nice, it's not fair, but it's the way it is, and marching on Downing Street isn't going to change that.