Tube Sites YouJizz, JizzHut Hit With Infringement Suit

[xxxjay]

http://www.xbiz.com/news/133151

[Barefootsies]

In a few months they will be dismissed or settled quietly like all the rest.

[marketsmart]

if all the companies were aggressive as private, the tube problem wouldnt be half as bad...




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[Robbie]

"According to the complaint, YouJizz is visited by 5 million surfers a month and ranked No. 163 by Alexa, while JizzHut is visited by 450,000 a month and ranked No. 2,251"

Those traffic numbers are WAY off. Those would be more like visitors per DAY not month to get those Alexa rankings

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

In a few months they will be dismissed or settled quietly like all the rest.

x2

[Agent 488]

slutload still going strong.

[xxxjay]

youjizz is the worst

[Jakez]

If you look up something like "how many visitors does pornhub have per day?" in Google there's an answers.com entry for that question and the chosen answer is like 300,000-400,000 daily unique visitors. I chuckled.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Jakez

If you look up something like "how many visitors does pornhub have per day?" in Google there's an answers.com entry for that question and the chosen answer is like 300,000-400,000 daily unique visitors. I chuckled.

Yeah, that's way off...I used to have 1.2 million uniques a day to my tgp

[Agent 488]

rumor has it some of the big tube players are behind some of the bigger content lockers. no idea if that's true.

[Adam X]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

In a few months they will be dismissed or settled quietly like all the rest.

Quoted for You Fuckin Know it... but true, if more companies like Private were up the ass of tubes, there wouldn't be as much piracy.. just more free promo clips..

[OnanistsCash]

Thats the spirit! We need more of this big companies doing this! It would be great they don't settled, still, if all studios start sueing for huge ammounts .......... It may be not worst it for many major tube worst the risk, not to mention new small guys even trying to go that path!

I'm proud about private I will join right now their program and start pushing some traffic their way

Pd1: Brazzers should sue them too, i see daily full movies of them on youjizz.com index ;) Its funny i'm pushing traffic to a recent update clip of Brazzers to make a sale and i see the full movie on youjizz index all the time .... On weekends its full of them .... Not sure if for running your own tubes and doing the same thing with other companies invalidates you with the ability to sue (I think you used some sort of similar argument when PinkVisual sued you), but you should go after youjizz.com, after all, they are doing the same wrong thing and indeed would AT LEAST help you take down the competition for your ILLEGAL/UN-ETHICAL Marketing Department work smoother Go after them too!

Pd2: PipeCrew, i also see bunch of your full movies on their index too, i also push you as an affiliate ... Why don;t you go after them too? Not sure if running MadThumbs also invalidates you from being able to sue? ( Not sure if MadThumbs is still yours? )

Pd3: NaughtyAmerica, many many movies of yours too ... Luckily, from what is my understanding, you are still a LEGIT company from where i can see it, from the content you do which is the best for me around faaaaaaar! to your marketing strategies ( For what is my understanding you don't support or own tube sites? ) Why don't you sue them too?

You three together have there over 100 movies surely at least! Big settlements which will make youjizz bleed a little but at least!

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

Kill the TUBES!

[AHarper]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

if all the companies were aggressive as private, the tube problem wouldnt be half as bad...

I absolutely agree with you.

I still don't understand why a lot of webmasters are using embed videos of the not-so-legal tubes for their sites, especially when you can get tons of legal promo stuff from your sponsors and additionally have the chance to make some sales.

Private

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

Ok who has a list of the legal "Legit Tubes"

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

In a few months they will be dismissed or settled quietly like all the rest.

Greenmail

[OnanistsCash]

Originally Posted by AHarper

I absolutely agree with you.

I still don't understand why a lot of webmasters are using embed videos of the not-so-legal tubes for their sites, especially when you can get tons of legal promo stuff from your sponsors and additionally have the chance to make some sales.

Private

I think because they are scared about getting sued actually and for the bandwidth costs, plus some may not even have the knowledge to do it and tubes make it very easy to export "their" videos ...

Then as you say, it has no sense at all if not .... They are letting go their traffic slowly ( Ass all embed if you click on them take you to the tube site or shows its watermark ) like this, plus helping off course the concept of not buying porn that PM all the time talks about and no one pays attention to ....

Content keeps getting cheap ( More content producers out of the market ), Ratios keep getting lower ( More affiliates out of the markets ), Sales keep going down ( More programs with huge offices aparently according to their videos but lowering their programs payouts if not even closing doors ), at the end, porn will just become a marketing strategy for mainstream products such as Poker Games, etc as no one will ever buy a porn membership :P

Come on big guys, start sueing, at least to settle and get what you deserve:

+ You would be earning money
+ You would be sending a good message to the affiliates
+ You would be sending a good message for those bastard willing to start new illegal tubes
+ You would be helping the industry, and by that, yourself ....

There is a phrase: Divide and conquer .... Today the division seems to be pretty sticked between the tubes and i'm not sure program owners are the ones conquering ...

Yeah, i know, manwin may be doing good, but i think they might be doing good with all their advertising, dating, webcams stuff, probably they are not doing as good with their paysites anymore. Difficult to say as i don't have their numbers, but i can see other programs lowering their products quality, going down, etc, and all those programs are the ones that actually don't support or run tubes ..... So ..... They might look wealthy, but were is that wealth coming from is the question? From the paysites sales?

Actually, think about this, when someone is intelligent, it does not need to probe it, it simply is and everybody notices it .... Fabian is intelligent, i have no doubt about that, i may not share his marketing strategies, but is for sure someone that knows what he is doing, we all can see that .....

When you are doing good with something, people notice it, you don't need to start showing out videos of offices, doing content producers contests, etc, i know, you might say, its just another marketing strategy .... mmmmmmmmm .... It makes noise .... and everytime something makes me noise, at the end, it ends up doing some sound ;)

Come one major sponsors, companies, start sueing, how much would it cost you to hire a fucking lawer and do it? Among all the friends the owners of this programs have i'm sure you might have important lawyer friends that would take the case for free for you!! Come On!

[kristin]

Pink Visual ensured that the tube sites had to use Digital Fingerprinting for ALL content, not just our own. With over 10 of the largest tubes signed up and implementing Vobile, I think you will begin to see the fruits of the lawsuits that came to settlements. Not everything has to be drawn out to be beneficial. I don't believe the other lawsuits have had tubes implement anything to avoid having CR material but I'm not 100% as it's not always disclosed in a settlement.

[L3 Payments]

Originally Posted by kristin

Pink Visual ensured that the tube sites had to use Digital Fingerprinting for ALL content, not just our own. With over 10 of the largest tubes signed up and implementing Vobile, I think you will begin to see the fruits of the lawsuits that came to settlements. Not everything has to be drawn out to be beneficial. I don't believe the other lawsuits have had tubes implement anything to avoid having CR material but I'm not 100% as it's not always disclosed in a settlement.

Kristin

[Traffic Guru]

They should include www.slytube.com
I think its owned by that Jack Sparrow kid from Holland.

[OnanistsCash]

Originally Posted by kristin

Pink Visual ensured that the tube sites had to use Digital Fingerprinting for ALL content, not just our own. With over 10 of the largest tubes signed up and implementing Vobile, I think you will begin to see the fruits of the lawsuits that came to settlements. Not everything has to be drawn out to be beneficial. I don't believe the other lawsuits have had tubes implement anything to avoid having CR material but I'm not 100% as it's not always disclosed in a settlement.

I read it on xbiz, i think that was a solid/honest move The Vobile thing .... As i'm not a lawyer, i'm not sure were would you had ended up if you didn't seetled ....

Which tubes signed it? Was youjizz.com included among them? xvideos.com? slutload.com network? xhamster.com? There are lots of tube sites out there that i think could be considered LARGE, why not chase those ones too?

And i'm not putting you the responsability of doing such thing, first because you simply can't if they dont post your content, which probably have as you are a major player, moreover you guys were the first ones to do something about it and in a meaningful way, as you went directly toward manwin, not a small player .... And you even somehow ensure it wouldn't happen again in the future for you and other companies who didn't made a fucking effort to accomplish this, still, why not keep sueing other tubes?

And one thing that you just said that made me think, i mean, we all know Fabians position about this, but its interesting what you just said in the middle of your phrase: "Not everything has to be drawn out to be beneficial" .....

Its obvious you have some sort of position about tubes then .... Whats it? You have proben like no other to be against ILLEGAL tubes, but, you may support then those that have 5 minutes clips? More over, those that have a complete scene in 4 different 5 minute clips? As i see many of those too, youjizz.com for example seems to use that technique, not sure if there is a legal thing why they do this, but it was funny once checking : "Brandi Belle Episode - Part 1", Part 2, etc ... Those shouldn't be chased too?

I mean, Vobile will chase content itself, but still if affiliates programs don't set a limit to the raw footage per scene on tubes the problem will keep there .... ? At the end, you are the owners of the copyrights, and if you allow it, moreover after Vobile implementation, you would be directly supporting them as you may not say you didn't know your content was there ....

I would love to listen your feedback about this as top bucks is another big player and i don't listen much people but Fabian talking about this stuff and their position about tubes, and yours might be very interesting as you PROVEN to be TOTALLY against illegal tubes, but on the other hand you just somehow said they might be a valid marketing strategy ....

Thoughts?

Pd1: Tubes per se are not bad, tubing all content for free is bad .... Its like guns, if your gf uses it to avoid being raped by a bunch of guys, its LEGIT and we all should support that action, if its used by 14 years old children to go out and kill people for fun, we should all be against it.

Pd2: About tubes, i think the sponsors content should all be drawn to 1 minute clips per scene, and preferably, that minute should be TRAILERS, thats what i offer in my program ( Which is under beta, so actually i still didn't gave any out, but i already have them and its that, 1 minute SELLING TRAILERS, no more .... Buy if you want to see it all fucking surfer, LOL ).

[merina0803]

so which is it? tubes illegal or not? I see people posting in here who allow full scenes. no wonder this business is lost.

[WarChild]

I wonder how that works since it's not a US company and not owned by Americans.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by OnanistsCash

I read it on xbiz, i think that was a solid/honest move The Vobile thing .... As i'm not a lawyer, i'm not sure were would you had ended up if you didn't seetled ....

Which tubes signed it? Was youjizz.com included among them? xvideos.com? slutload.com network? xhamster.com? There are lots of tube sites out there that i think could be considered LARGE, why not chase those ones too?

And one thing that you just said that made me think, i mean, we all know Fabians position about this, but its interesting what you just said in the middle of your phrase: "Not everything has to be drawn out to be beneficial" .....

I will see if I can find an accurate list of tubes that are integrating. I want to be 100% sure on the ones, but many are the large guys.

I'm not a lawyer or our lawyer and have very little knowledge of our lawsuits, so what I say is *my thoughts.* (Just to clarify.)

I don't know Fabiens stance actually, I gave up reading that thread. But mine comment was in general for any lawsuits. People want these long drawn out court cases and it's a lot of money where the lawyers get rich. So that's all, benefits can come from settling in any court case.

[merina0803]

Originally Posted by kristin

I will see if I can find an accurate list of tubes that are integrating. I want to be 100% sure on the ones, but many are the large guys.

I'm not a lawyer or our lawyer and have very little knowledge of our lawsuits, so what I say is *my thoughts.* (Just to clarify.)

I don't know Fabiens stance actually, I gave up reading that thread. But mine comment was in general for any lawsuits. People want these long drawn out court cases and it's a lot of money where the lawyers get rich. So that's all, benefits can come from settling in any court case.

would be great to have piratebay integrate as I see mofos banner there a lot.

[MyCamProfile]

Damn I jerk off to that site..

[datatank]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

rumor has it some of the big tube players are behind some of the bigger content lockers. no idea if that's true.

What is a content locker?

[SomeCreep]

Those Youjizz dudes are mighty rich fucks.

[fris]

Originally Posted by Robbie

"According to the complaint, YouJizz is visited by 5 million surfers a month and ranked No. 163 by Alexa, while JizzHut is visited by 450,000 a month and ranked No. 2,251"

Those traffic numbers are WAY off. Those would be more like visitors per DAY not month to get those Alexa rankings

last time i spoke to igor he was doing 20gbps per day, and over 1.5million visitors a day.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by datatank

What is a content locker?

http://www.filesonic.com/

http://www.filesonic.com/affiliate-program

example way people use them:

http://www.seaporn.org

http://www.seaporn.org/clips/sellyou...-a-relati.html

[merina0803]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

http://www.filesonic.com/

http://www.filesonic.com/affiliate-program

example way people use them:

http://www.seaporn.org

http://www.seaporn.org/clips/sellyou...-a-relati.html

[PXN]

They going to settle, take the money so YouJizz not going anywhere.

[Si]

Originally Posted by OnanistsCash

Pd1: Brazzers should sue them too, i see daily full movies of them on youjizz.com index ;) Its funny i'm pushing traffic to a recent update clip of Brazzers to make a sale and i see the full movie on youjizz index all the time .... On weekends its full of them .... Not sure if for running your own tubes and doing the same thing with other companies invalidates you with the ability to sue (I think you used some sort of similar argument when PinkVisual sued you), but you should go after youjizz.com, after all, they are doing the same wrong thing and indeed would AT LEAST help you take down the competition for your ILLEGAL/UN-ETHICAL Marketing Department work smoother Go after them too!

Would like to vote this as the dumbest shit I have ever read on the internet.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I wonder how that works since it's not a US company and not owned by Americans.

the same way we shut down 3 large poker sites... I know it sucks but is what it is

it prolly has some silly loophole that good attorney found and they are running with it....

good attorneys are worth tripple their weight in gold..... I say go for it fuck with them if they can sue em do it.... do it twice.. 3 times... private has a big bankroll and should get some sort of class action thing going for everyone's company....

[OnanistsCash]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

the same way we shut down 3 large poker sites... I know it sucks but is what it is

it prolly has some silly loophole that good attorney found and they are running with it....

good attorneys are worth tripple their weight in gold..... I say go for it fuck with them if they can sue em do it.... do it twice.. 3 times... private has a big bankroll and should get some sort of class action thing going for everyone's company....

Thats the spirit!

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

the same way we shut down 3 large poker sites... I know it sucks but is what it is

it prolly has some silly loophole that good attorney found and they are running with it....

good attorneys are worth tripple their weight in gold..... I say go for it fuck with them if they can sue em do it.... do it twice.. 3 times... private has a big bankroll and should get some sort of class action thing going for everyone's company....

No offense but I have running shoes smarter than you. I'd be very surprised if you had the critical thought capacity of a paper bag. I was actually looking for somebody that would have a real idea, not just some moron who likes to see himself type words. Please just stay out of adult discussions. Thanks in advance.

[Roald]

According to the complaint, YouJizz is visited by 5 million surfers a month and ranked No. 163 by Alexa

More like 5 million a day

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by Robbie

"According to the complaint, YouJizz is visited by 5 million surfers a month and ranked No. 163 by Alexa, while JizzHut is visited by 450,000 a month and ranked No. 2,251"

Those traffic numbers are WAY off. Those would be more like visitors per DAY not month to get those Alexa rankings

might be uniques..........

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

if all the companies were aggressive as private, the tube problem wouldnt be half as bad....

Originally Posted by Adam X

Quoted for You Fuckin Know it... but true, if more companies like Private were up the ass of tubes, there wouldn't be as much piracy.. just more free promo clips..

Did you notice most of the companies suing pirates are DVD companies? Pink Visual are an exception along with a couple of others.

If 50% of affiliates didn't send traffic to sites that are arm in arm with the big Tubes, or even own them and sent it to companies who did sue I would be kinder to them. But under your post is someone sending traffic to Brazzers, the owner of Pornhub and other Tubes, then complaining about free full length Brazzers scenes on Tubes.

All that will happen is it will serve as a warning not to steal content from companies with balls and money to sue. The rest are still fucked.

Originally Posted by Robbie

"According to the complaint, YouJizz is visited by 5 million surfers a month and ranked No. 163 by Alexa, while JizzHut is visited by 450,000 a month and ranked No. 2,251"

Those traffic numbers are WAY off. Those would be more like visitors per DAY not month to get those Alexa rankings

5 million or 50 million, it's 99.99% of porn surfers not buying porn. Even Robbie boasts he had 1.2 million visitors a day. Were 99% or 99.9% just getting off to free porn?

The complaint is now someone is giving away much too much free porn. In contrast to when we were giving away too much free porn.

Free porn didn't start with Tubes, they're just the obvious progression.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Those Youjizz dudes are mighty rich fucks.

The reason could be, the jizzhut folks dont seem to mind using stolen content & take ages to remove it

After conversations with the owner of jizzhut, he prefered to party & entertain, than run his site to regulations. I spoke with Eric from RemoveYourContent , & within minutes my content had been removed

[seeandsee]

They will sort this out with help of $$$$$$

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

The reason could be, the jizzhut folks dont seem to mind using stolen content & take ages to remove it

After conversations with the owner of jizzhut, he prefered to party & entertain, than run his site to regulations. I spoke with Eric from RemoveYourContent , & within minutes my content had been removed

removeyourcontent just send dmca notices right?

[19teenporn]

Originally Posted by AHarper

I absolutely agree with you.

I still don't understand why a lot of webmasters are using embed videos of the not-so-legal tubes for their sites, especially when you can get tons of legal promo stuff from your sponsors and additionally have the chance to make some sales.

Private

Because they don't know they canmake money out of legal and because they think "giving" their users full videos makes them cool...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Well, most of these lawsuits have been unsuccessful barring the one that Alison refers to where a possibly beneficial settlement was reached.

?Private also says that the pirated vidoes (s.i.c.) are accompanied by advertisements that generate annual revenue estimated in tens of millions of dollars for YouJizz.com or JizzHut.com.?

As long as adult industry players continue to pay to place ads or allow illegal tube sites to be affiliates then this ?problem? can only continue. There is a financial interest in offering this free and often times copyright infringing content ... This should be obvious ...

As for the ?locker? concept ? I would ask how incidental is their paid storage of copyright infringing content. Generally speaking, they would have safe harbor as someone like youtube would have ? DMCA and mitigation. However, if their activities can be proven in conspiracy with illegal tube sites that would change things.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Well, most of these lawsuits have been unsuccessful barring the one that Alison refers to where a possibly beneficial settlement was reached.

As long as adult industry players continue to pay to place ads or allow illegal tube sites to be affiliates then this “problem” can only continue. There is a financial interest in offering this free and often times copyright infringing content ... This should be obvious ...

As for the “locker” concept — I would ask how incidental is their paid storage of copyright infringing content. Generally speaking, they would have safe harbor as someone like youtube would have — DMCA and mitigation. However, if their activities can be proven in conspiracy with illegal tube sites that would change things.

If illegal Tubes go away. Then legal ones with full sized scenes are going to get all the traffic.

Wishing that something magical will happen and illegal tubes will disappear and all the surfers will flood back to buying is about as stupid as me wishing the magazines will come back.

The problem isn't legal or illegal. It's the tons of free porn already out there and the sites that don't have a clue it's 2011.

[V_RocKs]

Tubes...

[michael.kickass]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

Kill the TUBES!

i second that

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I wonder how that works since it's not a US company and not owned by Americans.

The short answer is that a company does not have to be U.S.-based (nor do its owners/principals) in order for a U.S. court to assert jurisdiction over that entity. If the company transacts business in the U.S., has content on servers within the U.S., etc., such things are a sufficient 'nexus' for the court to assert jurisdiction.

The long answer is too complicated for satisfactory explanation on a webmaster message board.... and way too nuanced to be addressed by a layman like myself, anyway. ;-)

- Q.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by CamTraffic

removeyourcontent just send dmca notices right?

No, they have control to servers with some sites. I dont know how it works, but I can give tell you, they removed it within moments, as we spoke! I was amazed & congratulate them on the great work they do

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Quentin

The short answer is that a company does not have to be U.S.-based (nor do its owners/principals) in order for a U.S. court to assert jurisdiction over that entity. If the company transacts business in the U.S., has content on servers within the U.S., etc., such things are a sufficient 'nexus' for the court to assert jurisdiction.

The long answer is too complicated for satisfactory explanation on a webmaster message board.... and way too nuanced to be addressed by a layman like myself, anyway. ;-)

- Q.

Hey Q, long time no talk buddy. How've you been?

Yeah, I have no doubt what you say about US hosting, and doing business in the US is true. I guess what I'm wondering is what new avenues for the defense open up because of the internation interaction.

For instance, and this is just a made up example, what if a tube site hosting in the US but doing business as a Canadian company were to be sued for infringment? Now if a US court wants to assert jurisdiction in the matter, then surely the defendants are granted other rights associated with US law? In this particular case, would the company not be able to make a DMCA defense, assuming they had been compliant under the DMCA (Can a foreign company even register a DMCA agent in the US?)?

You would then expect the plaintiff to argue that it was NOT user uploaded but rather uploaded by the site owner. Here's where I think it might get tricky. First off, does a Canadian company have to respect a US court order? Can a US judge force records to be turned over? I would expect they would first need a Canadian Judge to issue the order or subpoenas. The whole situation would then be muddied by things like Canada's Privacy Laws which happen to be some of the strongest in the World. It might not even be legal, in Canada, for a hosting company to turn over server logs or other things that could violate the privacy of Canadians.

Anyway, yeah tricky stuff for sure. Be curious to see what the outcome is here.