UN: Uruguay is a Pirate country for legalizing cananbis

[michael.kickass]

Here's the story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25340324

And at the same time others want to grant Uruguay the devaluated Nobel prize for legalizing Cannabis.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...=ILCNETTXT3487


I say fuck the UN, absolutely useless entity. They say we're pirates yet they keep their mouths shut about Colorado and the other 19 states of US in which cannabis is legal. So if you're a country strong enough you can do whatever you want and we won't say anything, but if you're a small country with only 3 million people then you're a pirate.

What do you GFYers think? :

[wehateporn]

Too easy to grow making it difficult to tax, the Elite don't like that, hence why we see the double-standards

[potter]

Yeah, I read that yesterday. Kind of fucked up - Marijuana has been legal here in Colorado now for almost a year - I don't recall the UN saying shit to us about it.

[mineistaken]

Well US federal government is claiming that weed is illegal in all states, so that still makes Uruguay the first country to legalize narcotics.
I would say UN are right on this matter.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by potter

Yeah, I read that yesterday. Kind of fucked up - Marijuana has been legal here in Colorado now for almost a year - I don't recall the UN saying shit to us about it.

The difference is in Uruguay the government will be supplying.

[wehateporn]

The Elite prefer to profit from Cannabis by producing it and feeding it into the black market, if it becomes legal then it kills their industry

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by michael.kickass

Here's the story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25340324

And at the same time others want to grant Uruguay the devaluated Nobel prize for legalizing Cannabis.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...=ILCNETTXT3487


I say fuck the UN, absolutely useless entity. They say we're pirates yet they keep their mouths shut about Colorado and the other 19 states of US in which cannabis is legal. So if you're a country strong enough you can do whatever you want and we won't say anything, but if you're a small country with only 3 million people then you're a pirate.

What do you GFYers think? :

I hear you guys are paying $1 per gram out there... pm me homie

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

I hear you guys are paying $1 per gram out there... pm me homie

You heard wrong. And if they do, it's probably not worth smoking.

[michael.kickass]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

I hear you guys are paying $1 per gram out there... pm me homie

Price has yet to be set though it won't be expensive, at least that's what the government is saying.

[michael.kickass]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The Elite prefer to profit from Cannabis by producing it and feeding it into the black market, if it becomes legal then it kills their industry

Of course, that's why this law was proposed in the first place. To kill the black market. The pot you get here from the black market is shit. The good weed that only a portion of the consumers in this country can get, comes mainly from illegal (until now) indoor Uruguayan growers.

[PornDiscounts-V]

The only reason it is illegal here in the US for the most part is that if it wasn't we would have to demote, furlough and let go of thousands of police officers, court employees and prison system employees if we did.

[Wellness Cash]

Originally Posted by vvvvv

The only reason it is illegal here in the US for the most part is that if it wasn't we would have to demote, furlough and let go of thousands of police officers, court employees and prison system employees if we did.

I see your point but that's not strictly true, instead I think we'd need to divert them to other, more important, serious crimes that are being committed on a daily basis which ultimately means re-training thousands of police officers, court employees and prison system employees.

The training is where the problem lay, the legal system spends literally millions (if not billions) a year training narc officers on marijuana crime instead of more serious drugs such as heroin, ecstasy, etc because the typical 'criminal' arrest for a marijuana related crime isn't going to be as dangerous to catch as a typical crack addict.

[CaptainHowdy]

[Fetish Gimp]

The hypocrisy is hilarious when you consider that alcohol, a substance which is proven physically addictive, is completely legal.

And what about tobacco, a substance which doesn't even give you a kick like alcohol or pot, but a mild high until you get addicted and its addiction is on par with heroin?

Pot should be legalized and treated exactly like alcohol or tobacco, a controlled substance which you need to be over the legal age to buy.

I applaud Uruguay for being ahead of the curve on this matter.

[Klen]

The fuck?It is also legal in Netherlands and partialy legal in CZ,dont remember complain about them

[postalsex]

its all about the money in play nothing more.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

The hypocrisy is hilarious when you consider that alcohol, a substance which is proven physically addictive, is completely legal.

And what about tobacco, a substance which doesn't even give you a kick like alcohol or pot, but a mild high until you get addicted and its addiction is on par with heroin?

Pot should be legalized and treated exactly like alcohol or tobacco, a controlled substance which you need to be over the legal age to buy.

I applaud Uruguay for being ahead of the curve on this matter.

so it can be taxed?

would that tax money be put towards all the families the 'war against drugs' laws ripped apart?

if not, i would never buy from a government dispensary

[michael.kickass]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

The fuck?It is also legal in Netherlands and partialy legal in CZ,dont remember complain about them

In the Netherlands the government doesn't supply, they just allow coffee shops to sell it and allow consumers to consume. It's not taxed, and the owner of the coffee shop still needs to buy the seeds from the black market.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I would say UN are right on this matter.

And I would say go jump back in your mud hole until Hodgie teaches you some proper English.

[lonerunner]

As far from i know in Europe It's legal in Netherland, It's not legal in Germany but you have it on every corner and no one do anything about it, and like how much you have grass in your back yard, that much Albanians have marijuana in frontyard and no one gives a f*** about it, i even watched documentary about Albanians, they speak freely about it.

[Screwed Up]

I was in Albania. I personally don't smoke pot. But it was pretty crazy. I'd say kind of like Africa in Europe, without the black people.
Pot was everywhere.

Fuck the UN. Useless bunch.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by michael.kickass

Here's the story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25340324

And at the same time others want to grant Uruguay the devaluated Nobel prize for legalizing Cannabis.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...=ILCNETTXT3487


I say fuck the UN, absolutely useless entity. They say we're pirates yet they keep their mouths shut about Colorado and the other 19 states of US in which cannabis is legal. So if you're a country strong enough you can do whatever you want and we won't say anything, but if you're a small country with only 3 million people then you're a pirate.

What do you GFYers think? :

I say FUCK THE UN too...
This president they have, José Mujica is my absolutely favorite politician nowadays. Great Guy with Great thoughts. Really, just read his wiki page or search for articles about him. Awesome. I flagged this country to live at where my kids are out of the parent's house.

Seems Uruguay has no fucking bad side, except for the distances between my homeland..

I am very curious what kind of people are living there. Anyone from Uruguay here? Have you been there maybe?

[Manfap]

Why does everyone say its legal in Nederlands it isnt.
It's ignored and decriminalized but not legal.

[michael.kickass]

Originally Posted by Matyko

Seems Uruguay has no fucking bad side, except for the distances between my homeland..

It has a lot of bad sides, it's a very expensive country with third world salaries. Gas price is one of the highest in the world, I believe only cheaper than the UK and Israel. Education is probably the worst in South America.

Here are some numbers, 4 out of 10 students don't finish high school, 4 out of 10 repeat the first high-school grade. Around 6,000 students desert every year from a system that despises them. There are a lot of adolescent pregnancy, unemployment amongst the young triples that of the adults. 3 out of 10 people between 18 and 24 neither study nor work. 4 out of 10 jail inmates have 18-25 years of age, and every year prisons receive 600 new inmates. The young have lower health-care and lower salaries than adults. 4 out of 10 children that are born in Uruguay, do it in poverty homes. All this with or without weed. We also have very high suicide ranks. So there you have it, not all that shines is gold.

[DWB]

Michael,
You said the cost of living there is really high. Care to break down some expenses for daily life? I'm always curious to hear what others are paying in various places in the world. Thanks.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Manfap

Why does everyone say its legal in Nederlands it isnt.
It's ignored and decriminalized but not legal.

In Uruguay it's been decriminalized for years, now it's fully legal, to grow and buy.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by DWB

Michael,
You said the cost of living there is really high. Care to break down some expenses for daily life? I'm always curious to hear what others are paying in various places in the world. Thanks.

I can break down some examples, comparing to prices in the US.

If anything is imported, you are going to pay a very high price, especially if it's not manufactured in the region.

Cars are the best example. You will be literally shocked to hear what people pay for cars in Uruguay. 60% over retail value in the US, all in bullshit taxes. Especially one tax that labels automobiles as "luxury items" and so you pay an arm and a leg. Btw, when I say 60% I am NOT exaggerating. Here is where you're going to flip: registration. Here for an average car you are not going to pay less than 1k a year! Yup, you read that correctly. Gas price is 2 dollars a liter and it goes up once a year, which makes everything go up. Public Transportation (buses) a little over 1 dollar per trip.

The same goes for all tech stuff. Expect to pay anywhere from 40 to 60% over what it is really worth.

Clothes are expensive. You won't find a decent shirt for less than 50 bucks. In the US you can buy excellent shirts for 20 bucks, and less if they are on sale. Anything brand name and you can be sure you are getting robbed.

Due to rising inflation, food is also becoming very expensive, at the rate that prices increase almost monthly. A dinner for 2 people at an average restaurant is not going to be under 50 dollars. Groceries, in general, are probably on the same price level as the US, only that here you have much less variety and products are of lower quality. That's not to say we don't have good food here. But whether it be food or anything else, in Uruguay you can rest assured that you are overpaying for lower-quality goods.

The one thing that is and always has been cheaper here is real estate. However, they have been rising pretty fast over the years. Houses and apartments here are much smaller than in the US, and usually not constructed as well. For a thousand a month you can rent a decent size apartment. For 200k - 300k you can buy a very big house (for Uruguayan standards). But you're going to get killed on yearly property taxes.

So as you can see, one of the main problems here are high taxes. On Everything. That is what you get with a socialist government. Progressive in many ways, but very high taxes, and you don't really see the result in the infrastructure of the city. Your tax money is used for social plans, more than anything.

[Tom_PM]

I heard that New York state is looking into legalizing it again. Maybe the UN will consider meeting in another state if it happens.

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so it can be taxed?

Alcohol and tobacco are taxed as is gambling. You should know by now that the government always gets their hands in the biggest rackets. Ain't nothin' new there

The reason a soft drug as pot is still illegal is simply because "war on drugs" budgets depend on it. If cannabis is regulated as is alcohol or tobacco then those budgets would have to be cut, meaning some crooked pockets would suffer. Can't have that.

Originally Posted by _Richard_

would that tax money be put towards all the families the 'war against drugs' laws ripped apart?

As always most of it would go into crooked politicians' pockets with some of it trickling down into social programs. Again, ain't nothin' new there

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Matyko

Seems Uruguay has no fucking bad side, except for the distances between my homeland..

That's where you would be hugely mistaken.

[michael.kickass]

Originally Posted by DWB

Michael,
You said the cost of living there is really high. Care to break down some expenses for daily life? I'm always curious to hear what others are paying in various places in the world. Thanks.

J. Falcon broke it down well.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I can break down some examples, comparing to prices in the US.

If anything is imported, you are going to pay a very high price, especially if it's not manufactured in the region.

Cars are the best example. You will be literally shocked to hear what people pay for cars in Uruguay. 60% over retail value in the US, all in bullshit taxes. Especially one tax that labels automobiles as "luxury items" and so you pay an arm and a leg. Btw, when I say 60% I am NOT exaggerating. Here is where you're going to flip: registration. Here for an average car you are not going to pay less than 1k a year! Yup, you read that correctly. Gas price is 2 dollars a liter and it goes up once a year, which makes everything go up. Public Transportation (buses) a little over 1 dollar per trip.

The same goes for all tech stuff. Expect to pay anywhere from 40 to 60% over what it is really worth.

Clothes are expensive. You won't find a decent shirt for less than 50 bucks. In the US you can buy excellent shirts for 20 bucks, and less if they are on sale. Anything brand name and you can be sure you are getting robbed.

Due to rising inflation, food is also becoming very expensive, at the rate that prices increase almost monthly. A dinner for 2 people at an average restaurant is not going to be under 50 dollars. Groceries, in general, are probably on the same price level as the US, only that here you have much less variety and products are of lower quality. That's not to say we don't have good food here. But whether it be food or anything else, in Uruguay you can rest assured that you are overpaying for lower-quality goods.

The one thing that is and always has been cheaper here is real estate. However, they have been rising pretty fast over the years. Houses and apartments here are much smaller than in the US, and usually not constructed as well. For a thousand a month you can rent a decent size apartment. For 200k - 300k you can buy a very big house (for Uruguayan standards). But you're going to get killed on yearly property taxes.

So as you can see, one of the main problems here are high taxes. On Everything. That is what you get with a socialist government. Progressive in many ways, but very high taxes, and you don't really see the result in the infrastructure of the city. Your tax money is used for social plans, more than anything.

Whoa. Yea, that sounds very expensive. I didn't expect that with your food prices.

We get taxed to death on anything imported as well, but food is dirt cheap and property tax is almost nothing.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

If cannabis is regulated as is alcohol or tobacco then those budgets would have to be cut, meaning some crooked pockets would suffer. Can't have that.

fair enough.. its funny after how 'liberal' canada was about it, there seems to be very little action taken to move towards legalization

so, probably right in this

[thatposter]

Netherlands? hello?

[BFT3K]

There are plenty of bullshit justifications that CORPORATE-RUN GOVERNMENTS use to make sure marijuana and hemp remain illegal, but none of their reasons are in place to benefit the citizens - NONE OF THEM!

Also, this... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4440118.html

[adultmobile]

[postalsex]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

There are plenty of bullshit justifications that CORPORATE-RUN GOVERNMENTS use to keep marijuana and hemp to remain illegal, but none of their reasons are in place to benefit the citizens - NONE OF THEM!

Also, this... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4440118.html

100% agreed

[sandman!]

[JJota]

Originally Posted by michael.kickass

It has a lot of bad sides, it's a very expensive country with third world salaries. Gas price is one of the highest in the world, I believe only cheaper than the UK and Israel. Education is probably the worst in South America.

Here are some numbers, 4 out of 10 students don't finish high school, 4 out of 10 repeat the first high-school grade. Around 6,000 students desert every year from a system that despises them. There are a lot of adolescent pregnancy, unemployment amongst the young triples that of the adults. 3 out of 10 people between 18 and 24 neither study nor work. 4 out of 10 jail inmates have 18-25 years of age, and every year prisons receive 600 new inmates. The young have lower health-care and lower salaries than adults. 4 out of 10 children that are born in Uruguay, do it in poverty homes. All this with or without weed. We also have very high suicide ranks. So there you have it, not all that shines is gold.

Exactly. Plus: state monopolies and high taxes on every area of the economy. Im from .uy too and is sad to see the current state of our education system, is obsolete. And just that brings down the standard of living a lot.

All his hoopla about the cannabis, and about our "poor" president maybe makes our country look "cool" but even when compared to many neighbours (argentina mostly) we are a little better, the day to day reality is, as in most cases, very different to that coolness wellness aura. IMHO.

[pornmasta]

fuck international laws

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by michael.kickass

Here's the story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-25340324

And at the same time others want to grant Uruguay the devaluated Nobel prize for legalizing Cannabis.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...=ILCNETTXT3487


I say fuck the UN, absolutely useless entity. They say we're pirates yet they keep their mouths shut about Colorado and the other 19 states of US in which cannabis is legal. So if you're a country strong enough you can do whatever you want and we won't say anything, but if you're a small country with only 3 million people then you're a pirate.

What do you GFYers think? :

I love how the UN and anti-weed guys act like they can do SHIT about weed in the real world...its on every fucking street corner...fuck you can score weed in super max prisions let alone on the streets

for fucks sake can anybody explain how the fuck prohibitions stop people from using when its on every fucking corner?

all the UN is doing is rewarding criminals with an extremely lucrative black market just so that "parents can feel safe" about their stupid child dying form alcohol

[Klen]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I love how the UN and anti-weed guys act like they can do SHIT about weed in the real world...its on every fucking street corner...fuck you can score weed in super max prisions let alone on the streets

for fucks sake can anybody explain how the fuck prohibitions stop people from using when its on every fucking corner?

all the UN is doing is rewarding criminals with an extremely lucrative black market just so that "parents can feel safe" about their stupid child dying form alcohol

Yes and also i dont see much difference between fully legalized,partially legalized and decriminalized,as long its decriminalized it's ok.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

The reason a soft drug as pot is still illegal is simply because "war on drugs" budgets depend on it. If cannabis is regulated as is alcohol or tobacco then those budgets would have to be cut, meaning some crooked pockets would suffer. Can't have that.

So true. 800,000 arrests annually keeps a lot of cops, judges and prisons duly employed.

During the years 2006 to 2010, police annually made over 800,000 arrests for cannabis violations. link