webcams programs, doesn´t this make u feel bad?

[nikki99]

webcams programs, paying 30% comission to their models who are literally 24 hours in a row in front of a camera trying to make some money...I check cams sites and the girls are there all day long, for 30% income, I know u don´t fucking care, but still.... u must feel something....

[Elli]

I bet McDonald's employees make less than 10% of a store's revenue. Not only that, but the 30% is tied to performance. It's not an hourly wage. There's huge potential for good 'workers' to make good money.

[Chris]

No one forces them to do that - and if they are being forced to do it they have bigger issues than the amount of money they are making.

Everyone has choices in life - just some make stupid ones.

[Jack Sparrow]

Real jobs. Thats something to worry about.

[Alprazolam]

You obviously don't know how a cams business model works.

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

You obviously don't know how a cams business model works.

I do, we offer 50% income to our models

maybe too much Alprazolam

[helterskelter808]

Don't worry, most of them earn way more than the four people above who disagree with you.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by nikki99

webcams programs, paying 30% comission to their models who are literally 24 hours in a row in front of a camera trying to make some money...I check cams sites and the girls are there all day long, for 30% income, I know u don´t fucking care, but still.... u must feel something....

if they have to be on camera 24 hours a day they are a fucking shit cam girl and should not bother a day longer

[fuzebox]

So they're only making $1.60 a minute? That's too bad.

If a cam girl wants to make 60% instead of 30% she could always work on generating traffic to herself.

[2intense]

Originally Posted by nikki99

webcams programs, paying 30% comission to their models who are literally 24 hours in a row in front of a camera trying to make some money...I check cams sites and the girls are there all day long, for 30% income, I know u don´t fucking care, but still.... u must feel something....

nobody forced them to do that

[2intense]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

You obviously don't know how a cams business model works.

i agree ,she(he) have no idea

[BoardiesBitch]

we pay our girl 40% (if the user is referred by an affiliate) or 50% (if the user is not referred) or 80% (if the girl refers her own users).
And we don't force our girl to do FREE chat like other do.

That's probably why our girls stay for 4-5-6 years with us while they last 4-5-6 weeks with other platforms...

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by 2intense

i agree ,she(he) have no idea

ok my bad ....

still

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by Chris

No one forces them to do that - and if they are being forced to do it they have bigger issues than the amount of money they are making.

Everyone has choices in life - just some make stupid ones.

Ironically it allows pornographers make some money. So you just said you admitted you have no respect for cam models. Otay.

[Agent 488]

only feel bad when they move and their chains rattle, or the guy with the gun or knife walks into the camera frame.

[Barry-xlovecam]

At XloveCams we pay models 45% and studios 45% to 50%.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Sid70

Ironically it allows pornographers make some money. So you just said you admitted you have no respect for cam models. Otay.

that's not ironic or what he said.. how's the english coming along?

[2MuchMark]

People should be talking about real numbers when answering a question like this.

Assuming you charge $5.00 a minute for a private chat and pay your models 20% ($1.00 per minute), chats for 4 hours a shift, 4 nights a week and converts 25% of her traffic, she is making $12,480 a year, part time from home. This is on the low end of the scale, but it means that the site owner has to spend more to advertise for her, or that her conversion is low, or both.

Better & harder working chat models can easily convert 50% of qualified traffic, and these models automatically deserve (and get) a 50% split. With the other numbers remaining the same, At this rate she is now making $60 an hour on average, or $49,920 a year, part time (16 hours a week), from home.

Does it make me feel bad when some models only $12.4k a year while others do $50k a year or more? Not at all. Like any other job, chat models have to work to earn their customers. I have seen some amazing, dedicated chat models fine tune their craft and earn $100k a year, and I have seen lots of lazy snobby girls who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves, be lazy as hell and earn nothing (and then complain to everyone else about it).

[Ross]

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

we pay our girl 40% (if the user is referred by an affiliate) or 50% (if the user is not referred) or 80% (if the girl refers her own users).
And we don't force our girl to do FREE chat like other do.

That's probably why our girls stay for 4-5-6 years with us while they last 4-5-6 weeks with other platforms...

If you think in 2011 your girls are staying with you guys exclusively then you're an idiot! Cam girls are switching between 3, 4 maybe even 5 different companies to try and make the most bang for their buck.

I came across something where models are openly discussing how they are working on Livejasmin, Streamate and MFC all at the same time. These girls are getting smarter.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

So they're only making $1.60 a minute? That's too bad.

If a cam girl wants to make 60% instead of 30% she could always work on generating traffic to herself.

thats still a good amount of money, more then 90% of them would make elsewhere

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

only feel bad when they move and their chains rattle, or the guy with the gun or knife walks into the camera frame.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by Ross

If you think in 2011 your girls are staying with you guys exclusively then you're an idiot!

Where does it say that in the post you quoted?

I came across something where models are openly discussing how they are working on Livejasmin, Streamate and MFC all at the same time. These girls are getting smarter.

Hold the front page. Models have been doing that since about 2004.

[MrMaxwell]

Shit, by the time you set everything up and try to keep it all going, the model has the EASY part of the work

The models aren't spending 100s of 1000s developing a whole program and they're not even being widely distributed or even physically "violated"

If some cam model can set up a $100 camera on a $300 computer she probably already had and make $60-$200 an hour WITHOUT EVEN TOUCHING ANYONE or BEING MASS DISTRIBUTED I think she's doing just damned well for her little self, there!

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

If some cam model can set up a $100 camera on a $300 computer she probably already had and make $60-$200 an hour WITHOUT EVEN TOUCHING ANYONE or BEING MASS DISTRIBUTED I think she's doing just damned well for her little self, there!

The problem isn't really with the cam sites or the models. Though between those two I'd say more with the cam sites, especially the ones that allow free unregistered chat. The cam site puts a lot of time, effort and expense into what it does, and the model puts in time, effort and energy into generating all profit for the cam site.

Cam girls can work without a cam site; cam sites can't work without the models.

The problem is with other leeches who have appeared, especially in the last few years, who see cams as a way to make money by exploiting performers or by making their job harder.

Studio bosses sensing easy money who rip off, steal (don't pay) or force people to work, or sometimes even have underaged (unregistered) performers, which just adds unhappy, unmotivated performers to sites.

And totally clueless lazy affiliates, also sensing easy money, who send shitloads of useless third world or freeloading traffic, forcing models to put up with ten times as many fuckwits asking "open sex" or "show tits and i pvt" or other idiotic phrases, all day long in piss poor English.

Which in turn is why even willing, motivated models can end up depressed and bored looking and start to completely ignore all guests, or logged in people posting stupid shit.

The fact that most cam models have always come from poorer countries of the world should indicate that being publicly visible on a live sex site to the world (no idea what you mean by 'NOT BEING MASS DISTRIBUTED'), and worse, maybe people at home, is not only not the greatest ambition for most girls but it's also not as lucrative as the top handful of performers, or theoretical earnings, might indicate.

But if you think it's such an easy job, and so easy to make $200 an hour, what's stopping you trying?

[thehand]

Originally Posted by nikki99

I do, we offer 50% income to our models

maybe too much Alprazolam

You pay 50% for models & 50% to affiliates???
http://nats.smcrevenue.com/

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

The fact that most cam models have always come from poorer countries of the world should indicate that being publicly visible on a live sex site to the world (no idea what you mean by 'NOT BEING MASS DISTRIBUTED'), and worse, maybe people at home, is not only not the greatest ambition for most girls but it's also not as lucrative as the top handful of performers, or theoretical earnings, might indicate.

But if you think it's such an easy job, and so easy to make $200 an hour, what's stopping you trying?

I never said that it was easy. I said that it was a whole damned hell of a lot easier than setting up a whole cam studio and/or network. They don't have to worry about fuck all. Expenses, traffic, legal issues, processing, carders, etc etc etc.

They're not mass distributed in the sense that they're going to be in pictures/videos that will be downloaded millions of times or plastered all over the internet on thousands of sites. Yes, their little preview things could be recorded, and some cam sites sell video/pics but this is not the norm.

When some lady does a regular porn shoot she'll be downloaded and traded and shared now till eternity and makes the $200-$1000 ONCE. On a cam site she makes that with, what, 1% the exposure? .0000001% the permanent exposure?

[CamChameleon]

You have high rates as you are small fry you need to pay 50% just to get the chat hosts to be part of your site! The big players in cams can be counted on one hand!

Live cams is chicken and egg you seem to not understand why you paying so much as if you have no chat hosts you can have as much traffic as you like but with no content you have nothing. To question the motives/morals of cam company's is very very wrong when the big players have been providing safe and secure incomes for these chat hosts for years!

[VladS]

Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

[...]

Great business you have there, how about you guys start learning what lifetime revenue share means?

L.E. Or if you don't, at least add to your site "lifetime revenue share: subject to terms"

Originally Posted by nikki99

[...]

You might think like that, but add payment processor's fees, affiliates, staff, support, hosting, marketing, etc... It's not a bad pay afterall, might not be great, but it's not that bad either.

Originally Posted by thehand

[...]

This is what good business is all about, i've got nothing but good words about VideoSecrets. They've always been fair play to me, even though not always it's been in their own interest. Thumbs up for a company that, in my case, has been fair game and top notch.

Sorry for the little off topic.

[ottopottomouse]

30% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Jobs a job - don't like it choose another or be unemployed.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

30% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Jobs a job - don't like it choose another or be unemployed.

Yes and nothing is stopping any of them from making more. I know regular average bimbos who have normal men WESTERN UNIONing hundreds and hundreds to them all of the time!!

Especially if a woman is willing to say all of the I love you I only talk to you I want to meet you etc etc etc she can have SEVERAL MEN sending many hundred or even thousands EACH every month

Basically selling the fantasy, you know?

We forget how stupid normal men are since none (well not many of) of us pay for pussy in any way. The norm is for males to pay for the favor of a females company. To me it is the opposite, I do THEM the favor. To most of you on here you sell pussy so paying for it is foreign to you.

It is damned odd how what you sell is sometimes something you could not imagine paying for, isn't it?

Well and then of course some of the bigger fish in this business pay for some top tier pussy but that's not something I know a lot about

[MrMaxwell]

Well and to me the highest grade pussy is the kind of pussy that is not for sale. The women who don't sleep with a lot of men. Where it's a special thing, you taking the clothes off of them, and them being the type who wouldn't fuck for $1M if you tried to buy it

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I never said that it was easy. I said that it was a whole damned hell of a lot easier than setting up a whole cam studio and/or network. They don't have to worry about fuck all. Expenses, traffic, legal issues, processing, carders, etc etc etc.

I don't think anyone would argue with that. Same goes for being an affiliate. I've never understood the point of reinventing a wheel when you can just sell someone else's.

They're not mass distributed in the sense that they're going to be in pictures/videos that will be downloaded millions of times or plastered all over the internet on thousands of sites. Yes, their little preview things could be recorded, and some cam sites sell video/pics but this is not the norm.

That may have true years ago, and one reason why a girl might choose to be a cammodel but not want to be a pic/video model, but these days it seems most major webcam sites provide content/videos/images/random cam streams that can be embedded in any site anywhere in the world.

The model has no control over that, and in fact they're probably largely unaware that their face or cam can be on 1000 different sites all over the internet. Additionally, at any time, the webcam site can use that content in any other way that they want.

When some lady does a regular porn shoot she'll be downloaded and traded and shared now till eternity and makes the $200-$1000 ONCE. On a cam site she makes that with, what, 1% the exposure? .0000001% the permanent exposure?

That's one reason why cam models are reluctant to do 'regular' shoots. OTOH they do a lot more work for the money. I don't honestly know regular porn rates, but for that one time shoot they do they get paid something. A cam performer can stay on a cam all day, standing, dancing, chatting, dealing with fuckwits who want free shows, and still get zero. It's not guaranteed, and worrying about if you'll make money adds more stress.

Just saying that the idea that girls just hook up a cam, sit on their ass and watch the money roll in is silly; as are theoretical arguments like if she works for XX hours, XX days a week she makes XX a year.

The current top earning performer on Livejasmin made just under $13k a month. Number 5 made less than 8.5k. Already 36% drop in the space of just 4 places. They have about 2500 performers online right now, and who knows how many active performers in total.

So while a handful at the top can make thousands a month, many probably don't even meet the minimum $100 to get paid. And it's not necessarily because they're 'bad' performers.

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by Ross

If you think in 2011 your girls are staying with you guys exclusively then you're an idiot! Cam girls are switching between 3, 4 maybe even 5 different companies to try and make the most bang for their buck.

I came across something where models are openly discussing how they are working on Livejasmin, Streamate and MFC all at the same time. These girls are getting smarter.

Around 80% from all the girls work multi-chat on several sites at the same time and with the current tech and connections its easy.

[MrMaxwell]

I didn't realize how much they were using the content these days. I know that their little thumbnails and nonude preview shit will be everywhere but if you're saying they're selling more screencaps and actual video now - I didn't know that!

That is a good point that they're essentially guaranteed money for a shoot but not for being a cam operator. But I think it depends on how much they try. Some might find a site they fit in real well and get alot of private time. Some are running the software for several different studios, etc. Some leave the cam on and go make dinner. Etc etc etc - endless variables

I think 150k/yr for cam model is premium pay. If she's doing that well, maybe it's time for her to develop her own site and cash it all in. Of course even she could be dependent on the AWE traffic.... Who knows?

But if a model tries she can do some serious figures without having to spend tens and hundreds of thousands getting everything going.

I never meant to make it sound like they hook up a cam and their computer instantly turns into a cash machine.

[AmeliaG]

Doesn't almost everyone in online business spend time sitting in front of the computer, hoping money will roll in, if they do a good job, but not having it be guaranteed? How is that different from every affiliate everywhere?

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I didn't realize how much they were using the content these days. I know that their little thumbnails and nonude preview shit will be everywhere but if you're saying they're selling more screencaps and actual video now - I didn't know that!

Not sure about that, I just meant they have content freely available for affiliates to use, which, from the point of view of 'distribution', is 'worse' than selling it. Images, recorded video and live streams. Point is the model is not confined to just the cam site any more, potentially anyone can see them on many different sites on the internet.

[xNetworx]

Models who can market themselves make a higher %. Those who don't have to accept lower %s. Why is this a difficult concept to grasp?

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Doesn't almost everyone in online business spend time sitting in front of the computer, hoping money will roll in, if they do a good job, but not having it be guaranteed? How is that different from every affiliate everywhere?

If you mean how is a cam job different to an affiliate, they're not in that sense. Same goes for any 'commission' based job.

An affiliate however doesn't have to sit in front of a cam to make money or have to deal with endless idiots demanding free this and free that.

A cam performer is physically doing a job, not just exercising their left click, putting links up and waiting.

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

You obviously don't know how a cams business model works.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

If you mean how is a cam job different to an affiliate, they're not in that sense. Same goes for any 'commission' based job.

An affiliate however doesn't have to sit in front of a cam to make money or have to deal with endless idiots demanding free this and free that.

A cam performer is physically doing a job, not just exercising their left click, putting links up and waiting.

For any job which pays on performance, it is great that there is the potential for being compensated for doing well. But it sucks that there is the potential to do a ton of work for zilch.

Some jobs have more physicality and some have less. What difference does that make? Fast food is more physical than webmastering, but it pays less than camming. Retail tends to pay less than camming, except for management, and endless idiots certainly factor in there. Professional sports are also more physical and usually pay more than camming or webmastering.

Some cam girls prefer to make $20 to $35/hour flat and have a sure thing, but I think the girls who do commission tend to make more, don't they? So how is rewarding excellence a bad thing?

[marlboroack]

I'd give them 70% if i was lucky enough to create and own my own. That's still enough to make money out of, pay all Software and Tracking and enjoy what is being done. Tho since i don't own my own site and work more on the studio side i could be wrong.

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by thehand

You pay 50% for models & 50% to affiliates???
http://nats.smcrevenue.com/

cams site not in that program

[nikki99]

nevermind anyways don´t need to fight over this... I just stopped doing webcams for a while till I am broke again

[helterskelter808]

Some jobs have more physicality and some have less. What difference does that make?

I was specifically comparing being an affiliate and being a performer. I think 'performing' - smiling, flirting, standing, dancing, etc - in free chat when you know you could be just wasting your time with freeloading assholes is worse, and more disheartening, than putting some links up and then getting no clicks.

But then I don't consider being an affiliate to be working; it's rather a way of avoiding working.

Some cam girls prefer to make $20 to $35/hour flat and have a sure thing, but I think the girls who do commission tend to make more, don't they?

Some do; some put the effort in and get zilch. I'm not sure I'm really disagreeing with you though.

[Coup]

pay the girls more gosh darn it

[thehand]

Originally Posted by nikki99

cams site not in that program

Ahh ok, sorry about that