Short memories about .XXX and dealing with the present

[Brad Mitchell]

Everyone keeps saying that nobody spoke up. It's just not true, ICANN didn't listen or seriously review recent or historical commentary. I feel the same today as I did 5 years ago (below). Difference is, today my statement would cover about 75,000 hosted adult web sites and more than 700 adult companies from around the world. Out of my client list today, in total perhaps a handful of clients (to my surprise) who are in favor.

Fast forward to the present. Life has moved forward, what was speculation has become part of our new reality. In the history of adult, many different events have themselves represented a paradigm shift and "moving of the carrot":

- Pay per click to rev share
- Rev share to pay per sign-up
- Cross-selling and blind cross-selling
- Picture posts to movie posts with 10-30 second clips
- Movie posts to tube sites
- Rampant copyright infringement, clips and full movies
- Bandwidth from $100+ megabit to "dollars" each (opportunity)
- Effective pop-up blocking
- ACACIA patent (finally defeated)
- mobile saturation
...and now, I guess .XXX

Our industry has much in common with the shark, crocodile... cockroach. It persists and adapts to changes in the global environment. Despite having lemons thrown at us, I am confident in our overall ability to make lemonade out of each and every situation. I encourage everyone to keep working hard, investing in their business, adapting to change as they see fit. Let your future business decisions be driven by whatever drives you, whether that is creativity, ethics, morals, technology, trademark, copyright. If you can afford the time and money to do it, speak up and be heard when you have something to say. Protect your intellectual property and trademark(s).

It may come to pass that this TLD attains no special SEO treatment or introduces any new legal dilemmas. It stands to reason that whatever volume of land rush, speculated domains with weak content as landing pages won't stick or be meaningful to surfers. If all that becomes the case, business would be very much unaffected. Hopefully, only leaving opportunity for new development.. a level playing field for words and phrases that are not trademarked and start from 0 with their traffic.

One thing is likely certain - those who choose to try and squat on, develop or hold hostage existing trademarks will likely learn some hard lessons. I wish everyone the best of luck with their endeavors. This is just another curve ball, very likely (I hope) something to assimilate into the marketplace without "worst case" "end of times" disruption that is feared by many.

Sincerely,

Brad Mitchell
MojoHost


MojoHost and
"10,000+ Adult Sites Say "NO!" to .XXX Proposal

To: <xxx-tld-agreement@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: MojoHost and 10,000+ Adult Sites Say "NO!" to .XXX Proposal
From: "Brad Mitchell" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:47:43 -0400

To Whom it May Concern,

On behalf of MojoHost and the over 10,000 adult web sites that our clients
entrust to our care we would like to voice our objection to the proposed
.XXX top level domain. This proposed top level domain does not serve the
interests of the public, our clientele, the European Union, Australian
Government or even United States based religious interest groups. We
believe that this proposal represents profiteering in it's purest form and
that it does so at a significant cost to the liberties and livelihoods of
tens thousands of honest business people. Beyond all of that, as a parent
and a technically skilled professional I truly believe that a new top level
domain will do NOTHING to protect children.

Regardless of how the mainstream press may portray the adult internet, the
reality is that our industry does more to regulate and police itself than
any other sector online. We believe that the creation of a new .XXX top
level domain is unnecessary, unjust and unenforceable and sincerely hope
that ICANN takes the matter seriously enough to evaluate all of these
concerns and come to the same conclusion that the adult industry has - that
.XXX is a horrible idea. There are already systems in place such as ICRA
that the largest adult sites with the most traffic have already implemented,
the rest is up to responsible parenting.

With seven years of business ownership and professional involvement with the
online adult internet I can sincerely say that the entire community shares
the same desire, stopping .XXX

Sincerely,


Brad Mitchell
President
MojoHost.com"

[u-Bob]

We spoke up... AND were able to delay the approval of the .xxx tld, let's not forget that ;)

[vsex]

Nice Post Brad. I absolutely agree.

[DWB]

Good post Brad.

Originally Posted by u-Bob

We spoke up... AND were able to delay the approval of the .xxx tld, let's not forget that ;)

As much as I'd like to pat everyone on the back for that, delaying it accomplished nothing other than giving a lot of us false hope.

This thing was greased from day one. All we can do now is sit back and watch the flies this turd attracts. The truth will reveal itself eventually.

[Klen]

Interesting,i see porn.xxx and xxx.xxx ,and icmregistry.xxx dont resolve.Any idea why?

[Wilsy]

Good read nice post Brad

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by DWB

As much as I'd like to pat everyone on the back for that, delaying it accomplished nothing other than giving a lot of us false hope.

It did a lot more than give people false hope.

The main problem with the creation of a .xxx tld has nothing to do with protecting trademarks etc as some want us the believe (including the ICM registry!). The main threat is censorship. In the past politicians have already introduced legislation to make the use of a .xxx domain mandatory for adult web sites. One of the reasons such legislation was never passed, is that a .xxx tld simply did not exist.

If the ICM Registry would ever decide to start lobbying to make the use of a .xxx domain mandatory (we all know they have a financial incentive to do so), the chances of them succeeding are today a lot smaller than 5 years ago.

The upcoming surge of new tlds (soon anyone with a couple of dollars will be able to start a new tld, no need for so called 'community support') such as .sex, .gay, .porn etc will make it harder if not impossible for the ICM Registry to claim that the .xxx tld is the only place where responsible adult web sites belong.

[JFK]

You GO Brad

[davecummings]

Thanks for your fine thoughts, Brad!

[C H R I S]

Well said Brad. We still freinds?

[B.Barnato]

very level headed analysis of things

[shade001]

Let's cut to the chase. Will Mojohost host .xxx domains?

I'd like to have that on record.

Not singling you out, I'd like to see many adult related businesses address whether they will reject any .xxx related business or not.

[ShellShocked]

Originally Posted by C H R I S 2.0

Well said Brad. We still freinds?

Fix your sig leech!

Signature rules. Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 lines of text. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Yes there is a reason this is so big. Also putting your text in a cell and making it look like a button is against the rules. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more than 3 lines of text. Over the top sigs will be deleted without warning!

[RyuLion]

Great thread!!

[blackmonsters]

.xxx is like paving a brand new street in Las Vegas and expecting everyone to leave
"the strip" to set up their casino there.

LOL!

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

To: xxx-tld-agreement@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: ICAAN CORRUPTION
From: mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 8 May 2006 00:28:16 -0000
why on earth would you create a new tld \"to protect children\" and charge 15
times more to register domains? is that money going to children? or to
registrars?

hmmmm......

[baddog]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

To: xxx-tld-agreement@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: ICAAN CORRUPTION
From: mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 8 May 2006 00:28:16 -0000
why on earth would you create a new tld \"to protect children\" and charge 15
times more to register domains? is that money going to children? or to
registrars?

hmmmm......

That is what you sent in?

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

.xxx is like paving a brand new street in Las Vegas and expecting everyone to leave
"the strip" to set up their casino there.

LOL!

We all hope this is the case. New development and honest opportunity, sure, that would be good for everyone. More far reaching implications, not a fan.

Originally Posted by shade001

Let's cut to the chase. Will Mojohost host .xxx domains?

I'd like to have that on record.

Not singling you out, I'd like to see many adult related businesses address whether they will reject any .xxx related business or not.

I'm never anything but honest. I found out a week ago that a few .XXX domains already resolve to my IP space from a different, unrelated but observant client. I'm not happy that the TLD exists due to what we can imagine to be various far-reaching implications. With that said, as a host and ISP I have a legal set of obligations and fiduciary responsibility to our customers. If I deviate from those, we can neither protect ourselves or our customers from various different liabilities. We don't get paid by the domain, we refer out as a white label at cost plus less than $1 for other TLD registrations for client convenience. Hosting is not like being a biller, pay site, free site, advertising agency, etc. We have to play by a finite set of rules just like Comcast, Level3, Akamai, etc. Exercising personal judgement about something of this nature which does not knowingly involve violation of copyright, trademark, obscenity or unsolicited e-mail would expose us to specific liability so far reaching that we would have an inability to also protect every other customer on an array of issues unrelated and outside of .XXX.

Before the pundits of GFY decide to misread my post and falsely determine that my answer is either related to a financial motivation or something else libelous.. I encourage them to become familiar with the DMCA. Also, to look and see what their own host public statement is.. or all the other companies who actually have a choice.

One more thought for tonight before I put a movie on with Melissa. If you were either one of a 9 year customer or a new customer of my company with anywhere the range of 1 to 1000 .COMs (etc) and YOU decided to buy a .XXX domain to protect a trademark or brand. Or, maybe you buy some key word phrase for a new idea that isn't well represented in any other TLD.. Would it not be a total inconvenience to have to find hosting elsewhere - just one more damn expense versus free? If you put yourself in those shoes or if you are one of those old-timers that I host, you can see that you will continue to be in good hands.

Good night,

Brad

[Chris]

Brad,
I saw your passion regarding this subject first hand in phoenix.

What you did has not gone un-noticed.

Chris

[tony286]

Brad I like you and respect you very much but have to disagree.
Wanna know why I preregisted my two website domains all those years ago? Was it love for .xxx nope. It was something I learned in sales by my old mentor: An absence of a no is not a yes.
People in the industry who actually would of mattered in the eyes of Icann were silent for the most part. Hustler wrote one letter after how many years this had been going on. Lensman would make coy statements on here like: would .xxx really be a bad thing?
Big fish that would fly around the fucking world to have a pina colada at a show. But couldnt fly to an Icann meeting to say Im CEO of big adult company and Im against this. The big icann meetings should of been a who's who of the owners of adult companies and their attorneys but it wasnt. So its hard to say the industry is against this thing that will be awful for the industry and they dont show up.
When that wasnt happening way back then, I said to myself if I plan on being in this business long term. I better hedge my bets because I dont it becomes law then Im fucked. And who knows the hidden agenda's out there.
I also saw the writing on the wall, this guy spends all this money and job one isnt going to be to make it mandatory? You are truly kidding yourself if you think that.You can see when you read his statements to the mainstream press, its like I will control the animals for everyone else. And then you got Joan whom I read her duties will be spread between CA and Wash DC. Why would she be in Wash DC? My prediction is 12 months from the day the first .xxx goes on sale it will be law. And they will get around the free speech issue saying its zoning not stopping speech.

[shade001]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I'm never anything but honest. I found out a week ago that a few .XXX domains already resolve to my IP space from a different, unrelated but observant client. I'm not happy that the TLD exists due to what we can imagine to be various far-reaching implications. With that said, as a host and ISP I have a legal set of obligations and fiduciary responsibility to our customers. If I deviate from those, we can neither protect ourselves or our customers from various different liabilities. We don't get paid by the domain, we refer out as a white label at cost plus less than $1 for other TLD registrations for client convenience. Hosting is not like being a biller, pay site, free site, advertising agency, etc. We have to play by a finite set of rules just like Comcast, Level3, Akamai, etc. Exercising personal judgement about something of this nature which does not knowingly involve violation of copyright, trademark, obscenity or unsolicited e-mail would expose us to specific liability so far reaching that we would have an inability to also protect every other customer on an array of issues unrelated and outside of .XXX.

Before the pundits of GFY decide to misread my post and falsely determine that my answer is either related to a financial motivation or something else libelous.. I encourage them to become familiar with the DMCA. Also, to look and see what their own host public statement is.. or all the other companies who actually have a choice.

One more thought for tonight before I put a movie on with Melissa. If you were either one of a 9 year customer or a new customer of my company with anywhere the range of 1 to 1000 .COMs (etc) and YOU decided to buy a .XXX domain to protect a trademark or brand. Or, maybe you buy some key word phrase for a new idea that isn't well represented in any other TLD.. Would it not be a total inconvenience to have to find hosting elsewhere - just one more damn expense versus free? If you put yourself in those shoes or if you are one of those old-timers that I host, you can see that you will continue to be in good hands.

All I ask of anyone is honesty. Thank you for responding.

[Paul Markham]

.xxx is here and here to stay.

Unless it remains just another TLD and Governments in countries that matter don't legislate it's mandatory use for all porn.

This will be hard. Because what is porn in one country isn't in another, how do you impose it on companies based in different countries and what about pirate sites that link or host porn?

Then the thorny question of a Government legislating the use of a private held TLD.

Even so, what if all online porn has to stop at the level of Playboy or Perfect 10. Not the style, just the porn level. What will be the effect?

Offline porn will explode, simply explode and become even bigger than it was. The millions of men who now are habitually getting their dose of online porn will seek it out offline. Porn is a stimulant to masturbation which releases a pheromone into the brain which results in a good feeling. Porn isn't the drug, it's the syringe. But it's needed.

So not all these men will go looking for offline porn, but a significant number will and offline porn will boom.

The odds on legislation are slim and that's all you have to worry about. The rest is just people stoking up unnecessary fear. Because without legislation, .xxx is probably dead in the water.

With it and no restrictions, it will mean those that can't afford it can go look for a new job. Sounds heartless but no one online cared about offline porn losing money because of online porn. No one online cared about non exclusive stores losing money as sites went exclusive.

It's business.

Adapt or die.

[Alprazolam]

A well thought out, grammatically correct statement from a solid business owner. Meanwhile, .XXX is represented by an admitted coke head who can't spell, stays up all night partying, and posting jibberish on GFY. This sets the metabolism for the entire rollout to .XXX. Reason and logic on on side. Addiction, erratic flailing, and shady practices on the other.

[Lilit]

ok, I haven't followed the .xxx story since the very moment it started many years ago so I might be missing details but here's how I see the situation overall.

.xxx has been approved and it does exist. At this stage one thing industry players could do is boycott the TLD, which is very unlikely to happen though as there will be companies/people wanting their piece of cake.

.xxx obviously has strong lobby, corruption also can't be thrown off. In this case even millions of e-mails sent to ICAAN or anywhere else won't do anything unless made public and supported with mass media. The society is not very likely to show much support as I doubt that most of the people outside of the industry actually care much. So the only thing, I think, that would work for the industry in the long run is joining forces and getting better lobby.

Everyone's fear is the chance that in future .xxx will be made mandatory which is the worst case. I wonder how it correlates with anti-monopoly laws as to me it looks like a clear monopoly because ICM registry isn't a non profit organization. Thus, making this happen will be really tough for ICM, especially if the industry starts fighting in the right direction. There are no impossible things, there is lack of effort and sense of responsibility as many of the people who will potentially be affected by this just expect others to solve it for them.

Much respect to Brad for starting this thread.

[crazies]

Great thread Brad.

We can always count on a good read from you.

[Herd]

Originally Posted by tony286

Brad I like you and respect you very much but have to disagree.
Wanna know why I preregisted my two website domains all those years ago? Was it love for .xxx nope. It was something I learned in sales by my old mentor: An absence of a no is not a yes.
People in the industry who actually would of mattered in the eyes of Icann were silent for the most part. Hustler wrote one letter after how many years this had been going on. Lensman would make coy statements on here like: would .xxx really be a bad thing?
Big fish that would fly around the fucking world to have a pina colada at a show. But couldnt fly to an Icann meeting to say Im CEO of big adult company and Im against this. The big icann meetings should of been a who's who of the owners of adult companies and their attorneys but it wasnt. So its hard to say the industry is against this thing that will be awful for the industry and they dont show up.
When that wasnt happening way back then, I said to myself if I plan on being in this business long term. I better hedge my bets because I dont it becomes law then Im fucked. And who knows the hidden agenda's out there.
I also saw the writing on the wall, this guy spends all this money and job one isnt going to be to make it mandatory? You are truly kidding yourself if you think that.You can see when you read his statements to the mainstream press, its like I will control the animals for everyone else. And then you got Joan whom I read her duties will be spread between CA and Wash DC. Why would she be in Wash DC? My prediction is 12 months from the day the first .xxx goes on sale it will be law. And they will get around the free speech issue saying its zoning not stopping speech.

Its true, aside from John "Buttman" Stagliano, really wasnt much mainstream adult companies publicly opposing this. California's Valley porn kings that controlled the distribution for decades before the internet came, probably dont like the new net smut peddlers. The net took their sales along with mopes now giving the stuff away for free.

But it doesnt look good in public for poor pornographers to say "please help us, we are trying to take total control once again of the smut trade by organizing a tits and ass only domain".

So they deal with a front company and spokesman that spews out water down bullshit for the masses with the deception of child protection.

Guess we'll know more if and when .XXX is launched, and which big companies are up and running on this new domain. Because most of pornos elite are not live on .mobi, .net, .org or the other tlds.

ICM will put in the hours and try to rub the right elbows to make a monopoly of suckie fuckie, because that is their business. But could US govt force everyone in adult to be totally censored, by only 1 private, profit driven company that tells u what u can or cant say. That goes against every fucking thing in the constitution.

And if the law does pass, would it stand, especially when many net porners would get kicked out of the business afterwards (cause whats the point of competition) and still much money at stake, would they just sit idly with no appeal, when still such much gold to mined? Probably not.

[Spudstr]

As a host and ISP I agree with Brad. We have seen over the years everything he has pointed out and as a provider we have to stand in the middle of the road.

We cannot take personal preference into business, its just something we cannot do. As he mentioned people need to become familiar wit DMCA, why is this such an important topic? Pretty easy it lays the ground work for what we can and cannot do as a provider and what our responsibilities are. We must remain neutral in a business stand point in order to avoid being prosecuted by the law. What does this mean? Simple we cannot police our network and "look" for stolen content, child porn and all the related stuff that falls in this category, if we do we must do it 100% of the time and if something is "found" we are now held liable 100% as our customer is that was the owner of the machine.

Now how does this impact .xxx and our decision to host it? We remain neutral in our stance on technology, we don't favor one thing over the other everyone and thing is treated as an equal its a simple TLD. Yes it is unfortunate that people will have to spend money to protect their brands but thats part of doing business. .XXX will most certainly lead to DMCA complaints, trade mark infringements and C&D requests this is a given so we have to stand neutral and work with these procedures as every day business would normally be conducted.

Under US law and our rights no one will force people to do .xxx registration and "filter" sites out. While there are companies such as spamhaus that offer a blacklist of ips/etc that block sites its a paid subscription, same with mcafee internet, Trendmicro and norton. We can't stop companies from making these registries and selling the subscriptions, however they cannot also blanket a .com because there is a .xxx equivalent if this happens I am sure hell would break lose as people would register .xxx just to get their competition blocked which then leads to a whole can of worms.

Personally all I see with .xxx is just a venue for someone to make money off of it by selling the domain names and nothing more.

[Spudstr]

Originally Posted by Herd

But could US govt force everyone in adult to be totally censored, by only 1 private, profit driven company that tells u what u can or cant say. That goes against every fucking thing in the constitution.

This would never happen, as corrupt as our government is this would never fly.

Hell look at Washington DC with the gun ban. It was found unconstitutional. They cannot sensor or force companies to register as a .xxx or only operate as a .xxx

The US does not control the internet they have no grounds on enforcing it and it will never happen.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Interesting,i see porn.xxx and xxx.xxx ,and icmregistry.xxx dont resolve.Any idea why?

QFT








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[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Interesting,i see porn.xxx and xxx.xxx ,and icmregistry.xxx dont resolve.Any idea why?

Sorry, I missed responding to this in my initial reply. Not sure of the answer to your question. I also don't see the items resolving to my network now that previously were.

[Herd]

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Personally all I see with .xxx is just a venue for someone to make money off of it by selling the domain names and nothing more.

Then why would ICM have a 5 person council, that advises, enforces, and terminates with their rules, laws and policies from A thru J, that every adult applicant must adhere to?

All of this for a company just selling domain names?

For years, GoDaddy has been selling domains for many adult sites and have none of these bizarre demands.

[CaptainHowdy]

The "bro" on the industry it's still breathing, fight it ...

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Herd

Then why would ICM have a 5 person council, that advises, enforces, and terminates with their rules, laws and policies from A thru J, that every adult applicant must adhere to?

All of this for a company just selling domain names?

For years, GoDaddy has been selling domains for many adult sites and have none of these bizarre demands.

Good point

"Then why would ICM have a 5 person council, that advises, enforces, and terminates with their rules, laws and policies from A thru J, that every adult applicant must adhere to"?

[Spudstr]

Originally Posted by Herd

Then why would ICM have a 5 person council, that advises, enforces, and terminates with their rules, laws and policies from A thru J, that every adult applicant must adhere to?

All of this for a company just selling domain names?

For years, GoDaddy has been selling domains for many adult sites and have none of these bizarre demands.

Because if the put the "image" up that they are just another TLD to make money off people it would be shot down. Yes there is a "possibility" for people to filter off TLDs.. this is well known.

India already stated they will block .xxx TLDs, it doesn't mean they will block .com's. The United states cannot force adult sites to only use and be confined to .xxx it would be discrimination and be deemed unlawful.

Just remember you have to spend money to make money and thats what ICM did.

So what ICM doesn't like you and terminates your .xxx domain names? If you have a trademark they cannot let anyone else use it, infact you can probably throw a injunction against ICM and force them to block registration of your trademark. Since you control the trademark if you don't want someone having the ability to issue your trademark to someone else they would open themselves up to a huge lawsuit.

IP and Patent trolls would simply LOVE for a case like this to come across their desk and go after ICM for trademark infringement, which would never make it that far because once ICANN gets involved in a domain dispute its done and over.

I have read their "IFFOR" and all that it really retains to is simple. Child Pornography.. ok and the ability not to be anonymous and to be responsible for your domain. Is that to much to ask for? Why do you want to hide? While yes there can be proxies that hide your whois information the information still behind the whois information just like behind every other TLD in the world must be accurate.

[Spudstr]

Originally Posted by JFK

Good point

"Then why would ICM have a 5 person council, that advises, enforces, and terminates with their rules, laws and policies from A thru J, that every adult applicant must adhere to"?

I suggest you go read the "IFFOR" baseline. In my eyes theres nothing wrong with them wanting to maintain a valid system of who owns the domain names, which by icann's rules should be done anyway and that they are strictly enforcing the safeguards for child pornography.

There is nothing really unfair that I can gather about their policy.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Spudstr

India already stated they will block .xxx TLDs, it doesn't mean they will block .com's. The United states cannot force adult sites to only use and be confined to .xxx it would be discrimination and deemed unlawful..

Go and try to open a tittie bar or a adult toy store next to a church and see what they say? its not illegal qnd its called zoning.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by tony286

I also saw the writing on the wall, this guy spends all this money and job one isnt going to be to make it mandatory? You are truly kidding yourself if you think that.You can see when you read his statements to the mainstream press, its like I will control the animals for everyone else. And then you got Joan whom I read her duties will be spread between CA and Wash DC. Why would she be in Wash DC? My prediction is 12 months from the day the first .xxx goes on sale it will be law. And they will get around the free speech issue saying its zoning not stopping speech.

ding ding. the plan is to move all porn domains to xxx then bill for all of them.

who knows, maybe even have all hosting controlled by them ... to protect the children of course. keep an eye on those servers.

[Herd]

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Because if the put the "image" up that they are just another TLD to make money off people it would be shot down. Yes there is a "possibility" for people to filter off TLDs.. this is well known.

India already stated they will block .xxx TLDs, it doesn't mean they will block .com's. The United states cannot force adult sites to only use and be confined to .xxx it would be discrimination and be deemed unlawful.

Just remember you have to spend money to make money and thats what ICM did.

So what ICM doesn't like you and terminates your .xxx domain names? If you have a trademark they cannot let anyone else use it, infact you can probably throw a injunction against ICM and force them to block registration of your trademark. Since you control the trademark if you don't want someone having the ability to issue your trademark to someone else they would open themselves up to a huge lawsuit.

IP and Patent trolls would simply LOVE for a case like this to come across their desk and go after ICM for trademark infringement, which would never make it that far because once ICANN gets involved in a domain dispute its done and over.

I have read their "IFFOR" and all that it really retains to is simple. Child Pornography.. ok and the ability not to be anonymous and to be responsible for your domain. Is that to much to ask for? Why do you want to hide? While yes there can be proxies that hide your whois information the information still behind the whois information just like behind every other TLD in the world must be accurate.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman wanted to pass mandatory use of .XXX in 2000 along with
senators Mark Pryor and Max Baucus in 2006, but George Bush blocked all that bullshit. We have a current president that said twat when ICANN annouced their bogus decision on .XXX. Seems like a great opportunity to try again.

And thats why, the creation of IFFOR, with their regulations. To front off to the public that they are "legit". With the hustle thru politicians spitting out "but what about the children" manifesto.

I just hope most of the public doesn't fall for all that false flagging double talk. Because last time i checked, the FEDS, states & counties hold court for obscenity. Not some single, money making tld owner, operating in the United States that gets to decide whats obscene, or not obscene.

[Spudstr]

Originally Posted by tony286

Go and try to open a tittie bar or a adult toy store next to a church and see what they say? its not illegal qnd its called zoning.

Yes, but there is no Zoning on the web.

Besides the .xxx clearly says its optional to take part and to have a domain name.

Originally Posted by herd

Sen. Joseph Lieberman wanted to pass mandatory use of .XXX in 2000 along with
senators Mark Pryor and Max Baucus in 2006, but George Bush blocked all that bullshit. We have a current president that said twat when ICANN annouced their bogus decision on .XXX. Seems like a great opportunity to try again.

Senators try to push crap through all the time and it gets through the senate and veto'd every single. Senators do stupid things like this to show they are "trying" to do something that their people want them to do simply so they can get reelected again.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Spudstr

Yes, but there is no Zoning on the web.

Besides the .xxx clearly says its optional to take part and to have a domain name.

.

oh ok they said that it must be true.lol Correction, there has been no zoning on the web up to this point.

[Alprazolam]

brad save your reputation and stay far away from this stinking pile of shit.