Son of COICA: New Copyright Bill Introduced....Some say "OUCH!!"

[Redrob]

Pirates are going to have to lobby hard to kill this beast! Bring on the bags of money, Congress awaits. Looks like all the participants including hosts, advertisers, owners, linked sites, cc capture companies, etc will be at risk of being blocked from first reading. Not an easy read and will re-read for more details.

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No Fear, Just Knowledge!

[L-Pink]

Thanks ...

[will76]

I am sure that idiot Gideon and his little butt pirates will be upset that it will get harder to steal people's content.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Watches clock intently...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Looks like all the participants including hosts, advertisers, owners, linked sites, cc capture companies, etc will be at risk of being blocked from first reading.

It will never pass in that form. Especially considering search engines, and You Tube.

Like most legislation, their first edition is always waaaaaaay over reaching. It will pass eventually in some form. But I can assure you that search engine, web hosts, and many others will be removed by the time all is said and done.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

It will never pass in that form. Especially considering search engines, and You Tube.

Like most legislation, their first edition is always waaaaaaay over reaching. It will pass eventually in some form. But I can assure you that search engine, web hosts, and many others will be removed by the time all is said and done.

Serious question.

Why should google be able to copy images from other websites and host them and
do what they do with google images?

Just because it is beneficial does not imply that nobody's rights are infringed.
Illegal tube sites are beneficial to people seeking porn. So......

Why should google have power on the internet that you and I don't have?

Google, yahoo, Bing, etc... are just dot com sites. They are not government entities.

I see all the benefits of search engines so don't get me wrong.
I'm just saying that why should anyone be able to post any content without
consent?

Search engines worked just fine before they started scraping images and video.

Google was trying to get approval to copy every book ever written onto
their web servers. I thought that was insane and a big "fuck you" to book writers and
copyright law.

Where does it end?

They already show my fucking house and car on google maps(along with any sobering up
chicks that left that morning).

Shit!

Do I have any rights after google???????????????????????????????????


WTF!



Disclaimer : It is totally irrelevant that I would complain less about google
maps if I owned a better looking car.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Just because it is beneficial does not imply that nobody's rights are infringed. Illegal tube sites are beneficial to people seeking porn. So......

If you do not want your website's images being cached, mark your site no index and remove it from Google listings. There is a very simple fix for that on your site. You do not 'have' to allow Google to index your site and it's contents. You can remove it completely from their index.

If you do not want your videos on their sites, DMCA them to have them removed.

You are never going to legislate stopping internet theft or copyright law. The internet simply is not set up for that type of enforcement. It's a fool's errand.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why should google have power on the internet that you and I don't have?

No offense, but that is naive.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Google, yahoo, Bing, etc... are just dot com sites. They are not government entities.

So only the government can infringe on 'your rights'? Funny. I can assure you many others probably do it on a daily or frequent basis. But most of it you probably do not give a second thought.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

If you do not want your website's images being cached, mark your site no index and remove it from Google listings. There is a very simple fix for that on your site. You do not 'have' to allow Google to index your site and it's contents. You can remove it completely from their index.

If you do not want your videos on their sites, DMCA them to have them removed.

You are never going to legislate stopping internet theft or copyright law. The internet simply is not set up for that type of enforcement. It's a fool's errand.



No offense, but that is naive.



So only the government can infringe on 'your rights'? Funny. I can assure you many others probably do it on a daily or frequent basis. But most of it you probably do not give a second thought.

Thanks for telling me a bunch of dumb shit without answering the question.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Disclaimer : It is totally irrelevant that I would complain less about google maps if I owned a better looking car.

People like you have complained the following throughout history.

1. Television would be the death of radio.
2. MTV would be the death of the radio.
3. Cassette tapes would be the death of he music industry.
4. VCR's would be the death of studios.
5. The internet will be the death of .... blah blah blah
6. TGP's would be the death of porn.
7. Torrents would be the death of this, that, and the others.
8. File sharing would completely kill....
9. Cell phone will be the death of land lines.
10. Tube sites will be the death of....

....etc, etc, etc.

I can assure you there will be a 11,...12, .....13... and so on. Each one predicted to be the chicken little death or whatever comes next. Each one griping about copyright or something or another. Typically a lot of crying by people fighting technology and change.

Google, search engines, YouTube have changed what has become accepted as 'the norm'. Whether you like it or not as a copyright holder. You had better learn to find a way to monetize or lock down your content.

No one told you that you should abandon DRM. People just chose to do it. Claiming customers hated it, and so on and so forth. I am sure there will come along some technology to 'fingerprint' your shit in the next few years for what is copy-written or not. People will still hack, crack, or steal it.

This is a lot like fuzz busters. Each time the government comes out with a new speed gun, escort is there with a new radar detector. It has always been this way. It will always be this way. Learn to play by the rules as they are, or go buy yourself a beer to cry in.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Thanks for telling me a bunch of dumb shit without answering the question.

he did answer your questions homegirl


we cant help it if your reading comprehension is 4th grade level

[Redrob]

Never mind.....

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by papill0n

he did answer your questions homegirl


we cant help it if your reading comprehension is 4th grade level

Here is the question:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why should google be able to copy images from other websites and host them and
do what they do with google images?

Now please take his cock out of your encrusted orifice and quote the answer to
that specific question for me.

He told me how I could stop google; which I don't want to do anyway.
And failed to answer why they even can period.

Thank you very much lap dog.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

People like you have complained the following throughout history.

1. Television would be the death of radio.
2. MTV would be the death of the radio.
3. Cassette tapes would be the death of he music industry.
4. VCR's would be the death of studios.
5. The internet will be the death of .... blah blah blah
6. TGP's would be the death of porn.
7. Torrents would be the death of this, that, and the others.
8. File sharing would completely kill....
9. Cell phone will be the death of land lines.
10. Tube sites will be the death of....

....etc, etc, etc.

I can assure you there will be a 11,...12, .....13... and so on. Each one predicted to be the chicken little death or whatever comes next. Each one griping about copyright or something or another. Typically a lot of crying by people fighting technology and change.

Google, search engines, YouTube have changed what has become accepted as 'the norm'. Whether you like it or not as a copyright holder. You had better learn to find a way to monetize or lock down your content.

No one told you that you should abandon DRM. People just chose to do it. Claiming customers hated it, and so on and so forth. I am sure there will come along some technology to 'fingerprint' your shit in the next few years for what is copy-written or not. People will still hack, crack, or steal it.

This is a lot like fuzz busters. Each time the government comes out with a new speed gun, escort is there with a new radar detector. It has always been this way. It will always be this way. Learn to play by the rules as they are, or go buy yourself a beer to cry in.

I stopped reading at "people like you".

People like you like to lump other people into groups and spew bullshit that
they never said and then claim it is their opinion when in fact you just made the
shit up.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Serious question.

Why should google be able to copy images from other websites and host them and
do what they do with google images?

Bingo. You all bitch about tubes.... Google takes all of your content and puts it one place for everyone, while you pay for the hosting. Suckers.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Serious question.

Why should google be able to

They have more money than you.

Do I have any rights after google???????????????????????????????????

Not until you have more money than them.

Please try to understand how the system works in America and for that matter the rest of the World.

I know it's not fair and not having a go at you, but that's the reality of the system.

I have no doubt that a law will come out that will protect copyright, very soon. The money lost by the US to copyright theft is too much to ignore.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Here is the question:



Now please take his cock out of your encrusted orifice and quote the answer to
that specific question for me.

He told me how I could stop google; which I don't want to do anyway.
And failed to answer why they even can period.

Thank you very much lap dog.

because they give you the ability to exclude yourself from THEIR index and you choose not too take advantage of that ability.

btw that Bf answer

The real answer is fair use bitch.

[Agent 488]

why do people let google do that to their sites?

because they let them.

and are not complete morons and know how to use that traffic to their benefit.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why should google be able to copy images from other websites and host them and do what they do with google images?

"Should"... well who knows... There are justifictions for fair use but it's been taken outside the original intent as far as I'm concerned.

How they can do it is simple. Fair use... the courts have said that making thumbs of images is fair use.

Funny thing here is that we ALL take advantage of the exact same fair use with all the thumbs etc. we make for our sites. I don't remember seeing anything in any programs TOS etc. that says we can use their images/videos on our sites. And yet we do it all the time... And in fact most content producers specify that only a certain amount of the content can be used for promotional purposes by the company that bought it. That doesn't extend to affiliates... So without fair use, we'd all have only text based sites with links to the programs FHGs, hotlinked images etc.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

People like you have complained the following throughout history.

1. Television would be the death of radio.
2. MTV would be the death of the radio.

eh, yes. video killed the radio star and clear channel drove in the spike.

radio is dead, its loaded with talking heads and pre-programmed bullshit void of humanity.

it's not radio, its one long advertisement.

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

People like you have complained the following throughout history.

1. Television would be the death of radio.
2. MTV would be the death of the radio.
3. Cassette tapes would be the death of he music industry.
4. VCR's would be the death of studios.
5. The internet will be the death of .... blah blah blah
6. TGP's would be the death of porn.
7. Torrents would be the death of this, that, and the others.
8. File sharing would completely kill....
9. Cell phone will be the death of land lines.
10. Tube sites will be the death of....

....etc, etc, etc.

I can assure you there will be a 11,...12, .....13... and so on. Each one predicted to be the chicken little death or whatever comes next. Each one griping about copyright or something or another. Typically a lot of crying by people fighting technology and change.

Google, search engines, YouTube have changed what has become accepted as 'the norm'. Whether you like it or not as a copyright holder. You had better learn to find a way to monetize or lock down your content.

No one told you that you should abandon DRM. People just chose to do it. Claiming customers hated it, and so on and so forth. I am sure there will come along some technology to 'fingerprint' your shit in the next few years for what is copy-written or not. People will still hack, crack, or steal it.

This is a lot like fuzz busters. Each time the government comes out with a new speed gun, escort is there with a new radar detector. It has always been this way. It will always be this way. Learn to play by the rules as they are, or go buy yourself a beer to cry in.

Cars will be the death of a horse drawn carriage.
CD's will be the death of vinyl records.
Tractors will be the death of ox drawn hoes.
Guns will be the death of bow and arrows.

Yeah... those crazy people!

[will76]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Cars will be the death of a horse drawn carriage.
CD's will be the death of vinyl records.
Tractors will be the death of ox drawn hoes.
Guns will be the death of bow and arrows.

Yeah... those crazy people!

exactly....

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

People like you have complained the following throughout history.

1. Television would be the death of radio.
2. MTV would be the death of the radio.
3. Cassette tapes would be the death of he music industry.
4. VCR's would be the death of studios.
5. The internet will be the death of .... blah blah blah
6. TGP's would be the death of porn.
7. Torrents would be the death of this, that, and the others.
8. File sharing would completely kill....
9. Cell phone will be the death of land lines.
10. Tube sites will be the death of....

....etc, etc, etc.

Television killed radio in the home, if not for radio in cars it would have died many years ago. And tvs are starting to creep in even there. A lot more people watching tv in a car now.
Cell phones are killing land lines. I know several people that have cancelled their home lines including myself.
Tube sites were the death of most TGPs, content brokers, and pic and video membership sites.
The internet has killed off other stuff like blockbuster (brick and mortar video rental stores). How many newspapers have gone out of business in the last 15 years because of the internet ???


Cassette tapes were the death of 8track tapes.
DVD tapes and players were the death of VCR
Internet porn was the death of porn VHS and Dvds.
Internet toy stores have closed down a lot of brick and mortar toy stores.

With changes and innovation a lot of stuff gets killed off along the way. Sure you can point to some things (some correctly and some not) but that doesn't mean that there isn't 100's of cases where people were right and things were killed off.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Tempest

"Should"... well who knows... There are justifictions for fair use but it's been taken outside the original intent as far as I'm concerned.

How they can do it is simple. Fair use... the courts have said that making thumbs of images is fair use.

Funny thing here is that we ALL take advantage of the exact same fair use with all the thumbs etc. we make for our sites. I don't remember seeing anything in any programs TOS etc. that says we can use their images/videos on our sites. And yet we do it all the time... And in fact most content producers specify that only a certain amount of the content can be used for promotional purposes by the company that bought it. That doesn't extend to affiliates... So without fair use, we'd all have only text based sites with links to the programs FHGs, hotlinked images etc.

Every sponsor I ever heard of told me that I can use their content as log as a link
back to them was on the webpage.
All my sponsors have affiliate download areas specifically for me to use their
content.

I don't know what kind of sponsors you work with that say you can't do that.

We aren't doing "fair use" we are doing "authorized use" with certain criteria.

And fair use in no way covers what google is doing. LOL!
Copying 1 trillion images is about as fair as dropping nukes on all competitors.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

[marlboroack]

Fuck em

8 characters.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Cars will be the death of a horse drawn carriage.
CD's will be the death of vinyl records.
Tractors will be the death of ox drawn hoes.
Guns will be the death of bow and arrows.

Yeah... those crazy people!

you do realize that in all those cases the government didn't step in to prop up the dying industry

and

the world and economy benefited from that choice.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Every sponsor I ever heard of told me that I can use their content as log as a link back to them was on the webpage. All my sponsors have affiliate download areas specifically for me to use their content.

Some affiliate rep etc. "telling" you to go ahead and use the stuff does not give you the legal right to use it... In fact, many tell you to go ahead but they really have no legal rights to do so given their licensing agreements for the content. Of course that depends on how they acquired the content but I'm afraid it's true in many, many cases.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

We aren't doing "fair use" we are doing "authorized use" with certain criteria.

I'm afraid you'd be wrong in most cases. Yeah, I've been given access to many sites to download to my hearts content and use the content. But there's no legal backing to it and as I said above, just because they've given you access etc. does not mean you have the legal rights to it.. Programs have been screwing over content producers like this for years.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

And fair use in no way covers what google is doing.

Again.. You're wrong. Google is like a library, an archive. That sort of thing is covered by fair use.. and since they thumb the images, that's also been argued in the court as being fair use when the courts ruled that it changes the content enough to be a derived work. Idiotic yes, but that's the law.

As I said, I believe "fair use" is too overreaching. My opinion is it should only apply to "free" or non-profit organizations. Or of course things like parody etc. Google is a commercial entity and I feel that fair use shouldn't apply in those instances. But the law is what it is and so arguing about it is useless. The laws needs to be changed.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Some affiliate rep etc. "telling" you to go ahead and use the stuff does not give you the legal right to use it... In fact, many tell you to go ahead but they really have no legal rights to do so given their licensing agreements for the content. Of course that depends on how they acquired the content but I'm afraid it's true in many, many cases.



I'm afraid you'd be wrong in most cases. Yeah, I've been given access to many sites to download to my hearts content and use the content. But there's no legal backing to it and as I said above, just because they've given you access etc. does not mean you have the legal rights to it.. Programs have been screwing over content producers like this for years.



Again.. You're wrong. Google is like a library, an archive. That sort of thing is covered by fair use.. and since they thumb the images, that's also been argued in the court as being fair use when the courts ruled that it changes the content enough to be a derived work. Idiotic yes, but that's the law.

As I said, I believe "fair use" is too overreaching. My opinion is it should only apply to "free" or non-profit organizations. Or of course things like parody etc. Google is a commercial entity and I feel that fair use shouldn't apply in those instances. But the law is what it is and so arguing about it is useless. The laws needs to be changed.

Again, arguing with dumb asses that think they are right simply because the
government isn't pushing the case for porn is useless.

Try your dumb ass theories on the music industry then get back to me.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Again, arguing with dumb asses that think they are right simply because the
government isn't pushing the case for porn is useless.

Try your dumb ass theories on the music industry then get back to me.

No theories, facts.. something you have failed to present in any fashion. I'm sorry your moma shopped your balls off when you were a youngin so you're not man enough to admit your wrong.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

why do people let google do that to their sites?

because they let them.

and are not complete morons and know how to use that traffic to their benefit.

Problem is:

B steal from A. Google list the website and pictures from B. B benefits.

It's not that A "let them".

[davecummings]

And, now, back to RedRob's post:-)