What do you make of Anonymous' recent activity

[onwebcam]

Greetings, members of NATO. We are Anonymous.

In a recent publication, you have singled out Anonymous as a threat to "government and the people". You have also alleged that secrecy is a 'necessary evil' and that transparency is npt always the right way forward.

Anonymous would like to remind you that the government and the people are, contrary to the supposed foundations of "democracy", distinct entities with often conflicting goals and desires. It is Anonymous' position that when there is a conflict of interest between the government and the people, it is the people's will which must take priority. The only threat transparency poses to government is to threaten government's ability to act in a manner which the people would disagree with, without having to face democratic consequences and accountability for such behaviour. Your own report cites a perfect example of this, the Anonymous attack on HBGary. Whether HBGary were acting in the cause of security or military gain is irrelevant - their actions were illegal and morally reprehensible. Anonymous does not accept that the government and/or the military has the right to be above the law and to use the phoney cliche of "national security" to justify illegal and deceptive activities. If the government must break the rules, they must also be willing to accept the democratic consequences of this at the ballot box.We do not accept the current status quo whereby a government can tell one story to the people and another in private. Dishonesty and secrecy totally undermine the concept of self rule. How can the people judge for whom to vote unless they are fully aware of what policies said politicians are actually pursuing?

When a government is elected, it is said to "represent" the nation it governs. This essentially means that the actions of a government are not the actions of the people in government, but are actions taken on behalf of every citizen in that country. It is unacceptable to have a situation in which the people are, in many cases, totally and utterly unaware of what is being said and done on their behalf - behind closed doors.

Anonymous and WikiLeaks are distinct entities. The actions of Anonymous were not aided or even requested by WikiLeaks. However, Anonymous and WikiLeaks do share one common attribute: They are no threat to any organization - unless that organization is doing something wrong and attempting to get away with it.

We do not wish to threaten anybody's way of life. We do not wish to dictate anything to anybody. We do not wish to terrorize any nation.

We merely wish to remove power from vested interests and return it to the people - who, in a democracy, it should never have been taken from in the first place.
The government makes the law. This does not give them the right to break it. If the government was doing nothing underhand or illegal, there would be nothing "embarassing" about Wikileaks revelations, nor would there have been any scandal emanating from HBGary. The resulting scandals were not a result of Anonymous' or Wikileaks' revelations, they were the result of the CONTENT of those revelations. And responsibility for that content can be laid solely at the doorstep of policymakers who, like any corrupt entity, naively believed that they were above the law and that they would not be caught.

A lot of government and corporate comment has been dedicated to "how we can avoid a similar leak in the future". Such advice ranges from better security, to lower levels of clearance, from harsher penalties for whistleblowers, to censorship of the press.

Our message is simple: Do not lie to the people and you won't have to worry about your lies being exposed. Do not make corrupt deals and you won't have to worry about your corruption being laid bare. Do not break the rules and you won't have to worry about getting in trouble for it.

Do not attempt to repair your two faces by concealing one of them. Instead, try having only one face - an honest, open and democratic one.

You know you do not fear us because we are a threat to society. You fear us because we are a threat to the established hierarchy. Anonymous has proven over the last several years that a hierarchy is not necessary in order to achieve great progress - perhaps what you truly fear in us, is the realization of your own irrelevance in an age which has outgrown its reliance on you. Your true terror is not in a collective of activists, but in the fact that you and everything you stand for have, by the changing tides and the advancement of technology, are now surplus to requirements.

Finally, do not make the mistake of challenging Anonymous. Do not make the mistake of believing you can behead a headless snake. If you slice off one head of Hydra, ten more heads will grow in its place. If you cut down one Anon, ten more will join us purely out of anger at your trampling of dissent.

Your only chance of defeating the movement which binds all of us is to accept it. This is no longer your world. It is our world - the people's world.

We are Anonymous.
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us...

http://anonnews.org/?p=press&a=item&i=1001

[dyna mo]

i wonder how much stephen hawking charged them to do that voice-over?

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Anonymous... Good luck taking on the federal reserve.

I have my doubts anything will make headlines.
If anyone in Anonymous is successful in hurting the Federal Reserve. Anonymous members will die mysteriously or be never heard from again.

In short you will die trying. Literally.

[Just Alex]

Ddid they arrest some of those guys the other day?

[dyna mo]

[halfpint]

I heard on the news that the Military have had over 1000 hack attacks this year alone. Its getting worse every year

[scarlettcontent]

stephen hawking knows what going on

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

Anonymous... Good luck taking on the federal reserve.

I have my doubts anything will make headlines.
If anyone in Anonymous is successful in hurting the Federal Reserve. Anonymous members will die mysteriously or be never heard from again.

In short you will die trying. Literally.

Thats if they can back trace them cause they are not run like other hacking groups


http://anonops.blogspot.com/


Dont fuck with Anon cause they will come back and bite you in the ass

[V_RocKs]

Spoken like true Vendetta's

[BFT3K]

I'm glad they seem to be focusing on more important matters nowadays. Their previous obsession with Scientology was getting pretty stale and boring.

[L-Pink]

Breaking and entering is breaking and entering.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Breaking and entering is breaking and entering.

funny the conflict that has with their own words

[dan@noof]

I really wanted to believe that these guys could do something when they first went after Scientology. But they did nothing. How has Scientology been affected by them?

Meh.

[Caligari]

that is some pretty core shit.
so what do you think they have planned for tomorrow the 14th?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

Anonymous... Good luck taking on the federal reserve.

I have my doubts anything will make headlines.
If anyone in Anonymous is successful in hurting the Federal Reserve. Anonymous members will die mysteriously or be never heard from again.

In short you will die trying. Literally.

there's no need in the world for them to kill anyone if what they are doing is illegal in the least...

[ottopottomouse]

Love the hypocrisy of justifying breaking the law by alleging their targets were breaking the law first.

[L-Pink]

Put them in prison.

[u-Bob]

this should get interesting

[TangibleAsset]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Put them in prison.

Why?

Everything discussed in the video is true. It's good to see Anonymous doing something productive for once.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i wonder how much stephen hawking charged them to do that voice-over?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by TangibleAsset

Why?

Everything discussed in the video is true. It's good to see Anonymous doing something productive for once.

True or false is not the issue ...

How exactly is this different than physically breaking into an office, bypassing the security systems taking confidential files from a desk or file cabinet then making them public?

I know, I know, it was done from your mother's basement and you didn't have to leave your semen infested bedroom but still .......


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[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by dan@noof

I really wanted to believe that these guys could do something when they first went after Scientology. But they did nothing. How has Scientology been affected by them?

Meh.

Scientology has a pretty ruined reputation from what I see here in the Bay Area, and from talking with others.

[C H R I S]

Hmmmmmmmm... interesting

[TheSquealer]

"The good guys" aren't typically the ones making threats.

What a bunch of idiotic children.

[marketsmart]

LOL at all the sheep that are replying exactly the way you have been trained to reply..

i want you all to take a few moments and think not about the how, but the why..

go back and learn some american history and you will realize that although the methods may not be something you can take hold of, the principal is sound..

america needs a revolution to get back on track and this is just the kind of radical rhetoric that led to the american revolution.

you may bot agree with the tactics, but the tactics are just the tip of the avalanche that might just get the snowball moving..

america is at a tipping point that if moved in the wrong direction could alter life as we know it..

everything anon is saying is true.. the financial institutions are raping the american people of not only their money, but also their freedoms...

if nothing is done, you might wake up one day and wish you had done something before it was too late..

a lot of people viewed what the founding fathers were doing prior to the american revolution as radical or outright stupid, but their vigor led to one of the greatest changes in history that was ever seen..

if we, as americans, don't stand up to the select few that are shaping domestic and foreign policy, we will one day realize that we made the biggest mistake that was ever made..

although i may not support everything anon stands for or their methods, i do support their idea of doing something to create change..

i would encourage people to start waking up and getting involved in what is happenign around them..

whether that be learning some history or getting involved in doing something that leads to positve change, anything is better than sitting around and doing nothing..




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[theking]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

LOL at all the sheep that are replying exactly the way you have been trained to reply..

i want you all to take a few moments and think not about the how, but the why..

go back and learn some american history and you will realize that although the methods may not be something you can take hold of, the principal is sound..

america needs a revolution to get back on track and this is just the kind of radical rhetoric that led to the american revolution.

you may bot agree with the tactics, but the tactics are just the tip of the avalanche that might just get the snowball moving..

america is at a tipping point that if moved in the wrong direction could alter life as we know it..

everything anon is saying is true.. the financial institutions are raping the american people of not only their money, but also their freedoms...

if nothing is done, you might wake up one day and wish you had done something before it was too late..

a lot of people viewed what the founding fathers were doing prior to the american revolution as radical or outright stupid, but their vigor led to one of the greatest changes in history that was ever seen..

if we, as americans, don't stand up to the select few that are shaping domestic and foreign policy, we will one day realize that we made the biggest mistake that was ever made..

although i may not support everything anon stands for or their methods, i do support their idea of doing something to create change..

i would encourage people to start waking up and getting involved in what is happenign around them..

whether that be learning some history or getting involved in doing something that leads to positve change, anything is better than sitting around and doing nothing..




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If the American people are interested in a "revolution/change" every two-four and six years they are offered the opportunity to do so via the power of the vote. It is up to the people to exercise that power or not. In between those years the people have the power to contact the ones that they previously elected to represent them and let them know their thoughts and provide those that represent them with their marching orders. The people also have the power of lawful assembly to let their voices be heard by those in power.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

If the American people are interested in a "revolution/change" every two-four and six years they are offered the opportunity to do so via the power of the vote. It is up to the people to exercise that power or not. In between those years the people have the power to contact the ones that they previously elected to represent them and let them know their thoughts and provide those that represent them with their marching orders. The people also have the power of lawful assembly to let their voices be heard by those in power.

The elections are fixed. You know it, I know, everyone knows it. The only people who are allowed to get anywhere in them are those who support all of this. Look at the way things went with the debate tonight. The only one really talking about these issues is Ron Paul. But every article that came out and every news story on it just gave him an honorable mention. The chosen ones were put to the front of the line as usual.

It would take decades to undo what has been done via elections. By then you will be one dead SSI recipient. BTW did you know that these same people have an insurance policy on your (a veterans) life and when you die it goes to the bankers and not your family??

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by theking

If the American people are interested in a "revolution/change" every two-four and six years they are offered the opportunity to do so via the power of the vote. It is up to the people to exercise that power or not. In between those years the people have the power to contact the ones that they previously elected to represent them and let them know their thoughts and provide those that represent them with their marching orders. The people also have the power of lawful assembly to let their voices be heard by those in power.

choosing between a or b is barely a choice

if i say you are free to eat whatever you'd like and place only an apple and a cob of corn in front of you i may as well have said you can only eat apples and corn

[Martin]

Well what he says is tru, but nothing is going to be done about it.

[Captain Kawaii]

I like anonymous...they are good to have around.

case in point...http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theloo...ion-funds-lost

ask kissinger and his dick sucking protege where the cash is..

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

choosing between a or b is barely a choice

if i say you are free to eat whatever you'd like and place only an apple and a cob of corn in front of you i may as well have said you can only eat apples and corn

the american politcal system is so rigged its not even funny. americans have the power to pay their taxes and their cable bills and 3 dollar an hour illegal nannies teaching their kids pigeon spanish. lol.

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The elections are fixed. You know it, I know, everyone knows it. The only people who are allowed to get anywhere in them are those who support all of this. Look at the way things went with the debate tonight. The only one really talking about these issues is Ron Paul. But every article that came out and every news story on it just gave him an honorable mention. The chosen ones were put to the front of the line as usual.

It would take decades to undo what has been done via elections. By then you will be one dead SSI recipient. BTW did you know that these same people have an insurance policy on your (a veterans) life and when you die it goes to the bankers and not your family??

Elections are not "fixed"...and there are about forty or fifty federally registered political parties currently in existence that run candidates for federal office and the people have the power to create new political parties. It is not a matter of selecting one of the two dominate parties...it is a matter of the people exercising the power they have to initiate "revolution/change"...via the vote.

It has been clear to me my entire life that the majority of the people prefer to accept their fate and then moan about that fate rather than exercise the power that has been provided to them.

It is government by the people and for the people only when the people exercise it...but the majority of the people prefer just to moan and say "something needs to be done" and then do nothing themselves.

I seriously doubt that one person per thousand even know the name of their own Congressman or Senator...and that one in ten thousand has ever contacted their Congressman or Senator.

[crockett]

It's hard to say what a group of hackers could do in this time and age. I think it's pretty safe to say that an example could come from Wikileaks & Bradley Manning.

Regardless of Manning's reasons, if he were right or wrong or if you agree with what he did or not, one thing is certain his leak/theft changed the world. He started the chain reaction, which has toppled govts with-in the middle east, a chain reaction that is still ongoing today.

That one act showed what can happen because a govt secret's were released, so only time will tell if these guys are just out to blow their own horn or do something useful.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

Elections are not "fixed"...and there are about forty or fifty federally registered political parties currently in existence that run candidates for federal office and the people have the power to create new political parties. It is not a matter of selecting one of the two dominate parties...it is a matter of the people exercising the power they have to initiate "revolution/change"...via the vote.

It has been clear to me my entire life that the majority of the people prefer to accept their fate and then moan about that fate rather than exercise the power that has been provided to them.

It is government by the people and for the people only when the people exercise it...but the majority of the people prefer just to moan and say "something needs to be done" and then do nothing themselves.

I seriously doubt that one person per thousand even know the name of their own Congressman or Senator...and that one in ten thousand has ever contacted their Congressman or Senator.

You're delusional old man. Time to take the dog and head for the hills. The only people who make it on the ballot in 99% of the cases are one of two sides each of which 1 or 2 pre-selected, bankrolled and promoted media created frontrunners are in. Where would an independent get the 1 billion dollars Obama will spend on his campaign? Not from Government Sachs hes got that sowed up.

[Kiopa_Matt]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

True or false is not the issue ...

How exactly is this different than physically breaking into an office, bypassing the security systems taking confidential files from a desk or file cabinet then making them public?

Because the files are created by the government, which is created by the people, for the people, to serve the people. Technically, those files belong to every citizen of the US, and should be publicly available.

I like what they're doing. Helping push back from the pendulum swinging can't hurt anything. I know they want the pendulum to swing in the other direction, but that's simply not going to happen. Nonetheless, kudos to them.

[DiF0r]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

Anonymous... Good luck taking on the federal reserve.

I have my doubts anything will make headlines.
If anyone in Anonymous is successful in hurting the Federal Reserve. Anonymous members will die mysteriously or be never heard from again.

In short you will die trying. Literally.

Exactly, there was a young hacker in our country that broke in our bank and found a big vulnerability in the system and even transferred a very small amount of money just to prove that.. He tried to make some money with reporting this issue to the bank but guess what, 1 week later "he committed suicide". RIGHT

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Make no mistake the system regarding banking and the Fed is serious bidness they will kill shit with no remorse at the drop of a hat. You people think for a minute that the Federal Reserve and the US Government won't react?

Think again. If they can snuff you quietly they will, if they have to snuff you out with a big bang they will, if they have to lay waste to two countries to find you they will.


These days the only vote that will ever count are ones done with bullets, that is about the only thing that will be understood.Thats the way it has always been. Want a revolution? Be my fucking guest, and good fucking luck.

I will just stand over here and watch the shit from afar.
Just know that the guys in power some of them have no other intention than if they can not steal from you they will kill you and take what they want and find the means to do it legally and then sell your fucking body organs for a bonus.

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You're delusional old man. Time to take the dog and head for the hills. The only people who make it on the ballot in 99% of the cases are one of two sides each of which 1 or 2 pre-selected, bankrolled and promoted frontrunners are in. Where would an independent get the 1 billion dollars Obama will spend on his campaign? Not from Government Sachs hes got that sowed up.

They will get the money from the people...when the people choose to exercise their power...much the same as the majority of President Obama's money came from the people during his first run as a candidate. The reason that there are two dominate parties is because the people have allowed it/preferred it and continue to do so.

[d-null]

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

They will get the money from the people...when the people choose to exercise their power...much the same as the majority of President Obama's money came from the people during his first run as a candidate. The reason that there are two dominate parties is because the people have allowed it/preferred it and continue to do so.

The people..

Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=n00009638


Everyone else

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The people..

Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=n00009638


Everyone else

Those numbers represent a fraction of the approximate $750 million dollars contributed. The bulk of his money came from individuals donating $1,000 dollars or less...the people...even PAC money is from the people.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

Those numbers represent a fraction of the approximate $750 million dollars contributed. The bulk of his money came from individuals donating $1,000 dollars or less...the people...even PAC money is from the people.

In comparison

John McCain (R)
Top Contributors


Merrill Lynch $373,595
Citigroup Inc $322,051
Morgan Stanley $273,452
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107
US Government $208,379
AT&T Inc $201,438
Wachovia Corp $195,063
UBS AG $192,493
Credit Suisse Group $183,353
PricewaterhouseCoopers $167,900
US Army $167,820
Bank of America $166,026
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $159,596
Blank Rome LLP $154,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,437
US Dept of Defense $144,105
FedEx Corp $131,974
Bear Stearns $117,498
Lehman Brothers $114,357

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=N00006424


I take it you've never worked for a large corporation? One who makes a donation in your name and/or "suggests" you do so for job security? And you obviously ignored the vids.

[SleazyDream]

good luck herding cats

[Sausage]

Well fed & entertained people don't revolt.

[Kiopa_Matt]

Originally Posted by Sausage

Well fed & entertained people don't revolt.

Did you hear Lindsay Lohen went to jail (again!). I found out while I was driving home in my SUV, eating a Wendy's triple bacon cheeseburger.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Sausage

Well fed & entertained people don't revolt.

+1

[shade001]

Originally Posted by theking

The people also have the power of lawful assembly to let their voices be heard by those in power.

Not anymore, you don't. You have a peaceful protest and the riot police show up with sonic weapons, tear gas and batons. For the naive or uninformed, which seems to be most, just look on Youtube.

When your legal responses are taken away from you the only response you have left.........are illegal ones. I laugh at those who take the side of despotism.

Let the blood of patriots and tyrants fall.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by theking

the power of the vote. It is up to the people to exercise that power or not. In between those years the people have the power to contact the ones that they previously elected to represent them and let them know their thoughts and provide those that represent them with their marching orders.

ah, the greatest illusion of our times... the idea that people are somehow able to change the system by voting....

I'd LOL if it weren't so very sad.

[u-Bob]

http://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edw.../dp/0970312598

[tony286]

The only thing about all this hacking lately. Its becoming a much larger problem. Are governments going to start locking down the net? They arent just hitting USA sites. That of course would suck for us.