OBAMA CARE : repubs are right , I was wrong : no need for it ( pic )

[directfiesta]

yep, why in the hell would you want to FORCE on good taxpayers that shit OBAMACARE ????

US man stages $1 bank robbery to get state healthcare

Unemployed and without health insurance, man in North Carolina has himself arrested in order to receive treatment


James Verone at Gaston county jail: the North Carolina man attempted a robbery of one dollar at a bank in order to be given medical treatment. Photograph: Ben Goff/The Gaston Gazette

It was not perhaps the most obvious way of getting a bad back, arthritis and a dodgy foot seen to. But if you're unemployed in North Carolina with no health insurance, there is no obvious way.

So on 9 June James Verone left his Gastonia home, took a ride to a bank and carried out a robbery. Well, sort of.

What he did was hand the clerk a note that said: "This is a bank robbery, please only give me one dollar." Then, as he later told the local NBC news station, he calmly sat in the corner of the bank having told the clerk: "I'll be sitting right over there in the chair waiting for the police."

Before his peculiarly modest robbery, Verone, 59, sent a letter to the Gaston Gazette. "When you receive this a bank robbery will have been committed by me for one dollar. I am of sound mind but not so much sound body."

He invited the paper to send a reporter to interview him in Gaston county jail, where he is now in custody facing charges of stealing from a person (for just $1 the prosecutors didn't think they could hold up a bank robbery charge).

He told the paper he had lost his job after 17 years as a Coca-Cola delivery man, and with it his health insurance. He was in increasing pain from slipped discs, arthritic joints, a gammy foot and a growth on his chest.

Since being in the jail he has attained his goal: he has been seen by nurses and an appointment with a doctor is booked.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ery-healthcare


to that guy .... figured out how the system works ....

[IllTestYourGirls]

Im confused why he did not get medicaid

https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/

and

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dma/medicaid/basicmedelig.pdf


Was he not eligible?

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

yep, why in the hell would you want to FORCE on good taxpayers that shit OBAMACARE ????

Obamacare would not have provided this man with a thing.

Obamacare only MANDATES that people BUY heath insurance and this guy has no $.

This guy is mentally ill and he could have applied for and very likely received state anad and eventually SSI.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Im confused why he did not get medicaid

https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/

and

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dma/medicaid/basicmedelig.pdf


Was he not eligible?

Well, I read that first link ... and let me tell you that there are a lot of ' if`s `.....

I would believe that that guy really looked at all alternatives and r=that was the only one viable ... wouldn't you ?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Obamacare would not have provided this man with a thing.

Obamacare only MANDATES that people BUY heath insurance and this guy has no $.

This guy is mentally ill and he could have applied for and very likely received state anad and eventually SSI.

Did you apply for a cross-gender op ???? After all, YOU are MENTALLY ill

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Well, I read that first link ... and lt me tyell you that there are a lot of ' if`s `.....

I would believe that that guy really looked at all alternatives and r=that was the only one viable ... wouldn't you ?

I believe if he did, he would have said so. And no that was not the only viable option there are 100s of free clinics in NC.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I believe if he did, he would have said so. And no that was not the only viable option there are 100s of free clinics in NC.

That is why I say OBAMA CARE is shit ....

Do not need it at all ... just go to a free clinic ... simple

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

That is why I say OBAMA CARE is shit ....

Do not need it at all ... just go to a free clinic ... simple

Sure why not? After Obama care happens we will have the pleasure of paying for these doctors that were currently doing it for donations and for free. Will they be better doctors after we start paying them?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Sure why not? After Obama care happens we will have the pleasure of paying for these doctors that were currently doing it for donations and for free. Will they be better doctors after we start paying them?

Just a thought ....

Looks a lot like this tube thing ... free porn vs pay porn ... why pay ???

[Captain Kawaii]

Free clinics are tough to get into it Calif...unless you are Mexican.
Many hoops and ropes to jump for US citizens and legal immigrants.
Speaking from past experience.
NC I am sure is FUCT. He is unemployed basically...I think he was looking for 3 hots and a cot - not being able to afford it himself. Could you make it on a part time job at 7-11?
When you get older you will see real quick you are disposable.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

That is why I say OBAMA CARE is shit ....

Do not need it at all ... just go to a free clinic ... simple

The guy is in the USA, NOT Canada! Few free clinics here and Obamacare will provide NONE!

Why don't you LEARN a little about Obamacare if you're going to rant about it?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Why don't you LEARN a little about Obamacare if you're going to rant about it?

.. because I am to busy learning how to be a chick on a public forum ....

[Just Alex]

This thread is useless without 12clicks.

[BFT3K]

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

This thread is useless without 12clicks.

Calling all roofers !!!!! Calling all roofers !!!! please acknowledge ....

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

DAMN!; I like that pic!

Fuckin' GREAT!

[kane]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Obamacare would not have provided this man with a thing.

Obamacare only MANDATES that people BUY heath insurance and this guy has no $.

This guy is mentally ill and he could have applied for and very likely received state anad and eventually SSI.

Not so.

The way Obamacare will supposedly work when it all is active is that people making under a certain amount of money will basically be pooled into the Medicaid system. A guy who is ill and unemployed would qualify for that.

""Starting on January 1, 2014, all low-income, non-elderly and non-disabled individuals will be eligible for Medicaid," the plan says. "This includes unemployed adults and working famlies ? all people with income below $29,000 for a family of four (133% of poverty)."

[cess]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Im confused why he did not get medicaid

https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/

and

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dma/medicaid/basicmedelig.pdf


Was he not eligible?

It's not that easy getting approved and it can be a long process to verify if he's eligible or not. Just because he doesn't have a job and he's sick doesn't mean he can get approved.

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Obamacare would not have provided this man with a thing.

Obamacare only MANDATES that people BUY heath insurance and this guy has no $.

If you make under 15k a year medicaid will be free.
http://www.healthcare.gov/foryou/gen...aid/index.html

[Barry-xlovecam]

I am happy to be able to pay for the high risk policy that obamacare mandated.

I was in the hospital yesterday they were starting to use a computer records system for that department that the health care act mandated. I told the nurses some of the keyboard shortcuts the nurses were in total confusion there.

My primary care physician's and cardiologist's practices installed computerized records. The doctors and nurses were making their notes on laptops ? welcome to the 21 century!!! The record system that we were using here was 1970s ? archaic.

Programmers are busy working, hardware sellers are selling, there are economic benefits in this ? give it a chance.

I would preferred to see a single payer program but this is a compromise solution. If you can afford insurance you will have to buy it ? tuff shit. If you are working poor or indigent you will get reasonable care.

Employers that pay chump wages and offer no insurance benefit are screwed ? too fucking bad.

Now continue your tea party ... "dittos"

[nation-x]

99% of the people complaining about the ACA mandate are employed and already have insurance... The ACA will improve their coverage by preventing insurance companies from dropping you when you get sick AND removing arbitrary benefit limits. Why exactly would anyone who already has insurance even care that there is a mandate?

My opinion is that the mandate is legal under the commerce clause because the government can prove that the uninsured place financial burden on the insured via cost shifting.

There are parts of the law that I am concerned with... specifically, it forces states to accept a large percentage of more people into Medicaid. I think this will ultimately lead to the law being ruled unconstitutional. The federal government doesn't have the right to force states to spend their budget as the federal government sees fit.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by nation-x

My opinion is that the mandate is legal under the commerce clause because the government can prove that the uninsured place financial burden on the insured via cost shifting.

There are parts of the law that I am concerned with... specifically, it forces states to accept a large percentage of more people into Medicaid. I think this will ultimately lead to the law being ruled unconstitutional. The federal government doesn't have the right to force states to spend their budget as the federal government sees fit.

Opinion #1 is wrong it is unconstitutional for the government to make someone buy a product just to be a lawful citizen.

Hospitals can also prove that medicare/aid also cost shift to those who are insured/pay with cash and therefore hurt the majority. So should medicare/aid be made illegal?

Opinion #2 is right

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Opinion #1 is wrong it is unconstitutional for the government to make someone buy a product just to be a lawful citizen.

That is where you are mistaken. As a matter of fact, that point was stipulated to by the plaintiff in State of Florida v. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services just last week. The only contention is timing and whether or not the penalty is a tax or not (tax is constitutional, penalty is not)... the plaintiff stipulated that the government CAN force you to buy a product at the time of service.

I have been listening to the oral arguments on C-SPAN radio

Secondly, hospitals can't prove cost shifting due to Medicare. There is no loss... meaning that Medicare covers the cost... it just doesn't pay as much as private insurance or cash payers.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Obamacare would not have provided this man with a thing.

Obamacare only MANDATES that people BUY heath insurance and this guy has no $.

This guy is mentally ill and he could have applied for and very likely received state anad and eventually SSI.

This is exactly what Obamacare would have covered even more so if he had no money.

From your other comments about Obamacare, it's clear you get your information from the media.

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Sure why not? After Obama care happens we will have the pleasure of paying for these doctors that were currently doing it for donations and for free. Will they be better doctors after we start paying them?

The bill doesn't stop them from taking donations for work or offering free care. The question is silly.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by nation-x

That is where you are mistaken. As a matter of fact, that point was stipulated to by the plaintiff in State of Florida v. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services just last week. The only contention is timing and whether or not the penalty is a tax or not (tax is constitutional, penalty is not)... the plaintiff stipulated that the government CAN force you to buy a product at the time of service.

I have been listening to the oral arguments on C-SPAN radio

Secondly, hospitals can't prove cost shifting due to Medicare. There is no loss... meaning that Medicare covers the cost... it just doesn't pay as much as private insurance or cash payers.

To be honest I am not as up to date as you. But I thought the FL court struck down the entire alway BECAUSE of the individual mandate.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/...ing-important/

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/ju...second-ruling/

Also seems that since it was declared unconstitutional Obama is breaking the law by continuing to implement it without an appeal.
Those are old I know. To be honest I wont be following close attention until it gets to the SC.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

To be honest I am not as up to date as you. But I thought the FL court struck down the entire alway BECAUSE of the individual mandate.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/...ing-important/

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/ju...second-ruling/

Also seems that since it was declared unconstitutional Obama is breaking the law by continuing to implement it without an appeal.
Those are old I know. To be honest I wont be following close attention until it gets to the SC.

That was in the U.S. District Court. They are before the Florida Supreme Court now. I have no doubt it will go before the Supreme Court and as I indicated above... I don't think that the mandate is the biggest problem in the law... it is the Medicaid mandate for states.

An example of why the U.S. District Court ruling doesn't have a huge amount of bearing you just have to look at the 2257 rulings by the 6th district...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by nation-x

That was in the U.S. District Court. They are before the Florida Supreme Court now. I have no doubt it will go before the Supreme Court and as I indicated above... I don't think that the mandate is the biggest problem in the law... it is the Medicaid mandate for states.

An example of why the U.S. District Court ruling doesn't have a huge amount of bearing you just have to look at the 2257 rulings by the 6th district...

Ok like I said Im not update date what is happening in Fl. Yeah I know district courts dont hold much weight for overall federal law.

I agree that the a big problem is the medicaid mandate for states.

Obamacare should have said that states must allow citizens to buy insurance over state lines, then I would agree with the CC. Since that clause was originally intended to regulate (in the old term TO MAKE REGULAR) commerce between the states.

[pornguy]

All he had to do was walk into a State Run Hospital into the ER and they would have treated him.

That simple.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by pornguy

All he had to do was walk into a State Run Hospital into the ER and they would have treated him.

That simple.

If he had an emergency, yes... but back issues, a hurt foot, they'll take a picture, make you pay for pills and off you go.

[dallasnovelty]

A really big problem is places that take MedicAID are few and far between and if you do get an appointment for a specialty doc that could be 9 months or so before you see them. My stepson is on his own and mentally disabled and it has taken him 19 months to see a Urologist twice at the ONLY hospital in the dfw metroplex to still accept medicaid and they still cant find the problem. When you call or go to SSA they do not know anything other than what it says on the screen unless you get an older worker and thats tough. I think this situation of health care will be getting worse before it gets better and that will be awhile. I havent had private pay health insurance for 3 months and have to pay for rx out of pocket at about $450 with a rx card otherwise its well over $1600 for 2 pills.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by dallasnovelty

A really big problem is places that take MedicAID are few and far between and if you do get an appointment for a specialty doc that could be 9 months or so before you see them. My stepson is on his own and mentally disabled and it has taken him 19 months to see a Urologist twice at the ONLY hospital in the dfw metroplex to still accept medicaid and they still cant find the problem. When you call or go to SSA they do not know anything other than what it says on the screen unless you get an older worker and thats tough. I think this situation of health care will be getting worse before it gets better and that will be awhile. I havent had private pay health insurance for 3 months and have to pay for rx out of pocket at about $450 with a rx card otherwise its well over $1600 for 2 pills.

Just going to say... that's mostly Texas. Texas, is one jacked up, mean ass State, when it comes to welfare of the people (it almost has none). Not bashing to bash, I grew up in Texas, have family in Texas... but in a different State, your story would be very different. Sucks you still gota go through the b.s. either way...

[Double trouble]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Dickfish

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Obamacare should have said that states must allow citizens to buy insurance over state lines, then I would agree with the CC. Since that clause was originally intended to regulate (in the old term TO MAKE REGULAR) commerce between the states.

Unfortunately, that is unconstitutional. All states regulate insurance within their state and that is why they have insurance boards. The federal government doesn't have the right to do it without amending the constitution. The reason Republicans supported it is because it would allow insurance companies to forgo state regulations and you would see a massive competition among the states to remove regulations in order to gain corporate tax revenue (if there was any) or any number of other reasons.

California, for instance, says all insurers have to cover treatments for lead poisoning, while other states let insurers decide whether to cover lead poisoning, and leaves lead poisoning coverage -- or its absence -- as a surprise for customers who find that they have lead poisoning.

The result of this is that an Alabama plan can't be sold in, say, Oregon, because the Alabama plan doesn't conform to Oregon's regulations. A lot of liberals want that to change: It makes more sense, they say, for insurance to be regulated by the federal government. That way the product is standard across all the states.

Conservatives want the opposite: They want insurers to be able to cluster in one state, follow that state's regulations and sell the product to everyone in the country. In practice, that means we will have a single national insurance standard. But that standard will be decided by South Dakota. Or, if South Dakota doesn't give the insurers the freedom they want, it'll be decided by Wyoming. Or whoever.

This is exactly what happened in the credit card industry, which is regulated in accordance with conservative wishes. In 1980, Bill Janklow, the governor of South Dakota, made a deal with Citibank: If Citibank would move its credit card business to South Dakota, the governor would literally let Citibank write South Dakota's credit card regulations.

Citibank wrote an absurdly pro-credit card law, the legislature passed it, and soon all the credit card companies were heading to South Dakota. And that's exactly what would happen with health-care insurance. The industry would put its money into buying the legislature of a small, conservative, economically depressed state. The deal would be simple: Let us write the regulations and we'll bring thousands of jobs and lots of tax dollars to you. Someone will take it. The result will be an uncommonly tiny legislature in an uncommonly small state that answers to an uncommonly conservative electorate that will decide what insurance will look like for the rest of the nation.

[Vendzilla]

DF, Total failure on your part

He said he worked for Coca Cola for 17 years and was suffering pain from slipped disc's. The guy then knows that Coca Cola gets sued all the time for Workman's comp and could and still can get it after working that long for that company. I know, I worked for Coca Cola for 9 years.

To use this to bash the GOP is just a lame attempt as usual from you. Healthcare reform is needed, just not the one that Obama came up with

[seeandsee]

where are all billion from medical stuff profit going on?

few back to community would be nice

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

not the one that Obama came up with

That shines a light on the funniest thing about this debate... Obama DIDN'T come up with the bill... The Affordable Care Act (ACA) actually was derived from a bill that Republicans introduced in 1993. The HELP committee (Grassley and Baucus, primarily) developed a bill based on the Republican bill and it became the ACA.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Gene...omparison.aspx

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

DF, Total failure on your part

He said he worked for Coca Cola for 17 years and was suffering pain from slipped disc's. The guy then knows that Coca Cola gets sued all the time for Workman's comp and could and still can get it after working that long for that company. I know, I worked for Coca Cola for 9 years.

To use this to bash the GOP is just a lame attempt as usual from you. Healthcare reform is needed, just not the one that Obama came up with

That depends if work caused the problem & if he's able to work at all. Clearly if the guy can work, it's not that bad.

Healthcare reform was simply needed, and Obamacare is the first step.... in a long line of no steps, screwing people over, fucking the citizen over... finally, we've got our foot in the door.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by nation-x

That shines a light on the funniest thing about this debate... Obama DIDN'T come up with the bill... The Affordable Care Act (ACA) actually was derived from a bill that Republicans introduced in 1993. The HELP committee (Grassley and Baucus, primarily) developed a bill based on the Republican bill and it became the ACA.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Gene...omparison.aspx

Actually even Reagan thought about it, but not the one that Barry ended up with, and you would think that Barry would have included the GOP when putting this bill together, but clearly he didn't.
Right vs Left BS doesn't fly with me, the people were pissed, they voted in Scott Brown to prove it, Barry pushed forward, people got more pissed, he got a shellacking, he pushed forward.
So end result, we need reform, not the one we have now with Barry, not about right vs Left, it's about right vs wrong.
Something like this shouldn't be a first step, it should be a home run

Originally Posted by TheDoc

That depends if work caused the problem & if he's able to work at all. Clearly if the guy can work, it's not that bad.

Healthcare reform was simply needed, and Obamacare is the first step.... in a long line of no steps, screwing people over, fucking the citizen over... finally, we've got our foot in the door.

First step, then failed to sell it

Depends nothing, like I said, I worked for them, if you have pain and worked for Coca Cola, there is a line of lawyers that will help. The guy was a fucking moron and no amount of legislation is going to fix that.

[EthnicLover]

Obamacare is like the Tea Baggers, it doesn't exist.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

First step, then failed to sell it

Depends nothing, like I said, I worked for them, if you have pain and worked for Coca Cola, there is a line of lawyers that will help. The guy was a fucking moron and no amount of legislation is going to fix that.

Who did he fail to sell it to? You? Because I'm sold on it and I can name a shit ton of people that are sold on it, hell I can see them right here on gfy.

If you have a pain related to the work you did for Coca Cola, then yes... and for all you know he hurt it while mowing his yard, or has been compensated already. But I know from direct experience, if you can work, you aren't getting shit.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

yep, why in the hell would you want to FORCE on good taxpayers that shit OBAMACARE ????

I agree with you, we need to cut back on free health care to criminals.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Who did he fail to sell it to? You? Because I'm sold on it and I can name a shit ton of people that are sold on it, hell I can see them right here on gfy.

That's why he got a shellacking last november?

If you have a pain related to the work you did for Coca Cola, then yes... and for all you know he hurt it while mowing his yard, or has been compensated already. But I know from direct experience, if you can work, you aren't getting shit.

Read the OP, he had slipped discs

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That's why he got a shellacking last november?



Read the OP, he had slipped discs

What happened last November that was different than any other midterm? You thinking in your head it's some type of sweep, that a few people making it in, means an end all... is pure silly.

Okay? You can have slipped discs and work, it's a problem if they bulge and are slipped. And again, it could have happened while mowing his yard and nothing to do with work.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Actually even Reagan thought about it, but not the one that Barry ended up with, and you would think that Barry would have included the GOP when putting this bill together, but clearly he didn't.

First of all... your assumption that Republicans didn't have any input in the ACA is false. The final Senate bill included 147 Republican amendments.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-car...publican-ideas

Here is a video of Chuck Grassley defending the individual mandate on Fox New Sunday during the process...

[DaddyHalbucks]

The whole idea that we can open up a health care system and add many tens (or hundreds) of million deadbeats/ freeloaders/ non paying people/ illegals AND have it REDUCE costs --as Obama says --is patently absurd on its face.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The whole idea that we can open up a health care system and add many tens (or hundreds) of million deadbeats/ freeloaders/ non paying people/ illegals AND have it REDUCE costs --as Obama says --is patently absurd on its face.

Other than it works in other countries... eh? Ratio wise, it's the same, all around so us having more population means nothing.... so either we're a bunch of fucking idiots or you're full of shit. I'm going to have to go with the, you're full of shit choice..

[opusx312]

i dont care what people think he is my new hero.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The whole idea that we can open up a health care system and add many tens (or hundreds) of million deadbeats/ freeloaders/ non paying people/ illegals AND have it REDUCE costs --as Obama says --is patently absurd on its face.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/myths-and-facts

Under the Affordable Care Act, undocumented immigrants are not able to enter the exchanges to purchase coverage nor are they able to obtain tax credits to purchase insurance. Undocumented immigrants will receive absolutely no assistance from the government.

Secondly, if millions of more people are actually having their care paid for that reduces cost because it lowers the cost to providers by covering those who wouldn't normally pay... thanks for playing though.

[Sid70]

Only in USA.

[DaddyHalbucks]

This story is a PERFECT example of how fucked up our government is, and here's why:

Government policy influences human behavior.

Instead of slashing taxes and getting rid of ALL social programs, thus truly stimulating the economy and invigorating markets and thus creating jobs so this poor guy can get a job and make a living and pay for his own health care needs..

..the government raises taxes, kills the economy, and forces an absurd, wasteful, bloated, and corrupt system which forces people to commit crimes to get free government health care giveaways..

Don't you see how this pathetic story is the PERFECT lesson of what is wrong with the big government/ Democratic method?