So our tiny dog got bit in the head and fucking died yesterday

[Markul]

Is it too much that I want:

a) the attacking dog to be killed
b) the owner to pay for our dog

?

That dog costs motherfucking 2000 dollars!

It traumatized the hell out of the kids, too bad I wasn't there when it happened, I'd have pwned the attacking dog and put it to sleep right there and then

[AdultKing]

Having a small dog can be a worry around bigger dogs. I'm always really careful with my little Maltese. It' shouldn't be about how much the dog cost but it's place in your family.

Sorry about the loss it does suck.

[CurrentlySober]

Sorry for your loss man...

I had a puppy a few years ago. Loved her to death - She had a brain tumour - Had to be put to sleep...

Miss her...






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[Markul]

Thanks, yea it is tough. Especially for the girls. My GF is totally out of it and blames herself.

We had two of them, the boy is the one that died. The girl dog is also pretty traumatized now.

Dammit.

[garce]

I wouldn't actually give a shit about how much my dog costs - my last puppy (15 months old now) cost about $200.

I would be on a baseball bat wielding rampage if some clueless dipshit let his big dog attack my little boy.

I'm really sorry for your loss, but you should be more upset about losing a member of the family than losing 2 grand. Next time, go to a rescue and grab a mutt. Status symbols are worth nothing when they're dead.

[Pseudonymous]

Was your dog on a leash?

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by garce

Next time, go to a rescue and grab a mutt.

There are alot of lovely deserving dogs put down every day because they don't have a home, save the life of one of them and adopt, makes them that much more special.

[CDSmith]

What were the circumstances, as in, how did your small dog come to be near enough to a big dog that he could get bit? was one of them (or both?) off-leash?

You know, to big dogs, small dogs very often = hors d'ourves.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by garce

I wouldn't actually give a shit about how much my dog costs - my last puppy (15 months old now) cost about $200.

I would be on a baseball bat wielding rampage if some clueless dipshit let his big dog attack my little boy.

I'm really sorry for your loss, but you should be more upset about losing a member of the family than losing 2 grand. Next time, go to a rescue and grab a mutt. Status symbols are worth nothing when they're dead.

I don't really care about the money, it's not even mine but my gf's. She's the one that insisted on having these expensive small dogs. But I do want the motherfucker to pay for it. Regardless of it being $200 or $20000.

And naturally I am more upset about loosing the dog, I just spent 24 hours restraining myself to not go and just kill the dog and beat-up the owner.

Both dogs were not on leashes, they were in the attacking dogs home where a girl my gf was acquainted with were supposed to meet our dogs as she might want to dog-sit them when we leave for vacation later in the summer. Apparently our tiny dog sniffs the larger dogs butt and it bites it's head refusing to let go.

I was a sleep at my dad's house and woke up when my gf rang me crying and screaming, when I picked them up in the car 3 mins later I could tell that dog wasn't going to make it. 5 mins later it was dead.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

What were the circumstances, as in, how did your small dog come to be near enough to a big dog that he could get bit? was one of them (or both?) off-leash?

You know, to big dogs, small dogs very often = hors d'ourves.

I say dogs are relatively equal, actually more case than not, small dogs are spoiled and have more issues relating with other dogs because their owners are so used to being careful with their dog around others so they dont get the practice being sociable, so when near other dogs, they usually bark (yap) and initiate a confrontation and the bigger dog would win that battle, if a small guy came up to me and started threatening me and i didn't ignore it, i shouldn't be called the bad guy, and we're humans who have control, a dog is an animal, more reason they should have be asked to control when another dog starts yapping away.

Not very often do i see big dogs treat small dogs like appetizers.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

What were the circumstances, as in, how did your small dog come to be near enough to a big dog that he could get bit? was one of them (or both?) off-leash?

You know, to big dogs, small dogs very often = hors d'ourves.

Yea but the owner of the bigger dog was supposed to be a "pro" and had control of her animals. Apparently not.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Markul

I don't really care about the money, it's not even mine but my gf's. She's the one that insisted on having these expensive small dogs. But I do want the motherfucker to pay for it. Regardless of it being $200 or $20000.

And naturally I am more upset about loosing the dog, I just spent 24 hours restraining myself to not go and just kill the dog and beat-up the owner.

Both dogs were not on leashes, they were in the attacking dogs home where a girl my gf was acquainted with were supposed to meet our dogs as she might want to dog-sit them when we leave for vacation later in the summer. Apparently our tiny dog sniffs the larger dogs butt and it bites it's head refusing to let go.

I was a sleep at my dad's house and woke up when my gf rang me crying and screaming, when I picked them up in the car 3 mins later I could tell that dog wasn't going to make it. 5 mins later it was dead.

Exactly, it's the owners faults. Hardly the big dogs fault. The owners should be more aware of their dogs behaviors, should have been payign attention closer if you weren't aware. When i bring my dog aroudn others for the first time, i'm on top of it. Any signs and im splitting them up. Its the dogs home and another dog is in his space, its natural for them not to like it.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Markul

Both dogs were not on leashes, they were in the attacking dogs home

Pretty much explains it.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I say dogs are relatively equal, actually more case than not, small dogs are spoiled and have more issues relating with other dogs because their owners are so used to being careful with their dog around others so they dont get the practice being sociable, so when near other dogs, they usually bark (yap) and initiate a confrontation and the bigger dog would win that battle, if a small guy came up to me and started threatening me and i didn't ignore it, i shouldn't be called the bad guy, and we're humans who have control, a dog is an animal, more reason they should have be asked to control when another dog starts yapping away.

Not very often do i see big dogs treat small dogs like appetizers.

This dog was well trained and never barked at anything. Didn't this time either, he was the good one. The female is the one we are trying to stop barking at other dogs and people, she's also very young.

[L-Pink]

You haven't posted any facts except your dog is small.

I have a medium size dog that has never been treated aggressively by larger dogs. But it seems like 75% of the small dogs we encounter snap at or bite her. It's no coincidence the only time I have ever seen my own dog not be her normal docile self is when lunged at by small dogs.

I'm VERY SORRY for your families loss. Don't know what I'll do without mine .......


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[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Markul

Yea but the owner of the bigger dog was supposed to be a "pro" and had control of her animals. Apparently not.

"Is it too much that I want:

a) the attacking dog to be killed
b) the owner to pay for our dog"

Your post should have read.

a) the owner not be allowed to own pets in the future or for a certain length of time (which is a common punishment for such actions
b) the owner pay for your dog (which i wouldn't really be worried about)

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You haven't posted any facts except your dog is small.

I have a medium size dog that has never been treated aggressively by larger dogs. But it seems like 75% of the small dogs we encounter snap at or bite her. It's no coincidence the only time I have ever seen my own dog not be her normal docile self is when lunged at by small dogs.

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Same here, i have a very large intimidating dog and only dogs that have issues with him are small dogs, always been like that, every walk since i got him. Good thing I keep mine on a leash, they usually don't because their dog can't do damage. They don't think about whether he gets up in the face of a dog on a leash that may not be so kind about a dog being near his owner and space.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Markul

I don't really care about the money, it's not even mine but my gf's. She's the one that insisted on having these expensive small dogs. But I do want the motherfucker to pay for it. Regardless of it being $200 or $20000.

And naturally I am more upset about loosing the dog, I just spent 24 hours restraining myself to not go and just kill the dog and beat-up the owner.

Both dogs were not on leashes, they were in the attacking dogs home where a girl my gf was acquainted with were supposed to meet our dogs as she might want to dog-sit them when we leave for vacation later in the summer. Apparently our tiny dog sniffs the larger dogs butt and it bites it's head refusing to let go.

I was a sleep at my dad's house and woke up when my gf rang me crying and screaming, when I picked them up in the car 3 mins later I could tell that dog wasn't going to make it. 5 mins later it was dead.

sorry for your girls being upset....

but you can't introduce dogs at one's territory.. you have to introduce them neutral... it's not the dogs fault at all... it's both owners for not knowing better is all.. im sure it was an accident...

but I can say one thing... if someone brought their small dog over to my house and my big dog bit the small dog then the owner of the small dog in a fit of rage came to blame me at my own house he just brought the dog to and was weilding a baseball bat.. I would shoot him on the spot and not a jury int he world would convict...

you have to remember Dogs life is no where near a human's life... now if the dog mauled your Child then you'd have a case.... but dog's are dog's

honestly though as a parent myself of a girl and boy and dog owner.. I really do feel for you.. you just have to restrain .. feel free to come punch on me if you want...

[Socks]

I'd say 1-3% of dog owners have "control" over their dogs. They're animals people, shit happens. If I let my 3 year old boy play with the generally gentle 5 year old boy down the hall and something really bad happens, you can't blame anything but life. There will be a hundred things that "could have been done to prevent..." but if we walked around life doing those things we'd all be wound tighter than a mice's asshole.

If you had the bigger dog in this situation and it had never bitten anyone or another dog before, would you be ready to put your dog down? I dunno. It's a tough situation.

I had a dog that couldn't be trusted in certain situations. He was extremely gentle and kind, but he always ended up doing things he immediately regretted, and he was territorial. I got him when he was 2 from an abusive situation, I don't know if there's anything I could have done. When my wife was pregnant, it was time for him to go.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Not very often do i see big dogs treat small dogs like appetizers.

Yet I hear about a large dog tearing up a smaller dog quite often. Strange.

My sister's dog, a small spaniel, many years ago, was off-leash and ran afoul of a large pair of dobermans. They tore the little fella up bad, but in that instance he survived. I can think of several other instances with other small dogs-vs-big dogs where the small dog didn't fare as well. But just do a quick google search of small dogs killed by large dogs and you'll see just how often it happens.

I have an elderly couple living next door to me, they have a small (and sometimes yappy) poodle/shnauser type dog. I can tell you they wouldn't DREAM of letting that dog near a larger dog, and when they walk him or take him out of the home anywhere he is always leashed and within reach of picking him up should another dog come too near.

I guess my best advice, other than avoiding having a small dog in the first place, is to keep them away from larger dogs completely, at least until you know the situation between them is safe and friendly.


I think the OP has a good case for having that large dog euthanized. It obviously hasn't been trained properly by it's owners and has anger issues, has now killed, thus is dangerous. One has to wonder if someone's baby had crawled up and touched it's rump would we be here morning the loss of a child?

[papill0n]

they are animals that is what animals do

why would you want to go and kill the owner? are you not all there?

[brassmonkey]

i saw a case last week on judge judy a chow chow ripped open the back end of a little dogg. give judge judy a call

[Markul]

I never said Id kill the owner. Ofc not. Going to get my gf a joint, think she needs it.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Yet I hear about a large dog tearing up a smaller dog quite often. Strange.

My sister's dog, a small spaniel, many years ago, was off-leash and ran afoul of a large pair of dobermans. They tore the little fella up bad, but in that instance he survived. I can think of several other instances with other small dogs-vs-big dogs where the small dog didn't fare as well. But just do a quick google search of small dogs killed by large dogs and you'll see just how often it happens.

I have an elderly couple living next door to me, they have a small (and sometimes yappy) poodle/shnauser type dog. I can tell you they wouldn't DREAM of letting that dog near a larger dog, and when they walk him or take him out of the home anywhere he is always leashed and within reach of picking him up should another dog come too near.

I guess my best advice, other than avoiding having a small dog in the first place, is to keep them away from larger dogs completely, at least until you know the situation between them is safe and friendly.


I think the OP has a good case for having that large dog euthanized. It obviously hasn't been trained properly by it's owners and has anger issues, has now killed, thus is dangerous. One has to wonder if someone's baby had crawled up and touched it's rump would we be here morning the loss of a child?

Are you kidding me? You think because a small dog gets in a fight with a big dog and a big dog wins and tears up the small dog, that the big dog is one, at fault, or two, means they look at small dogs like food? That is not the case. My dog is perfect around dogs, yet if a dog started acting aggressive towards him and started yapping in his face, he'd react, as any dog would do.

The only mistake here is the owner trusted somebody that didn't know a thing. From the story, you have NO idea whether their dog confonted the bigger dog. Maybe the other dog started acting aggressively first? Ever think of that?

As a couple people mentioned, it's simply how dogs are and the owners didn't pay attention closely enough, both of them.

[FetishWeb]

Relax.

Most dog owners are idiots. Self-described dog experts, doubly so.


and now you know.

[scuba steve]

sucks that a lot of these threads have been popping up lately...

[Vick!]

Get an even bigger dog, and let him bite the attacker. Owner will learn the lesson.

[marketsmart]

you dont bring a dog into another dogs territory unless you are expecting/prepared for the worse..

people really should educate themselves a little bit more before buying animals..





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[Caligari]

Neither the dog nor the owner of the dog is at fault.

You bring a strange animal into a dog's house unleashed and what do you expect?

You should expect anything to happen. Anything, including your dog getting attacked.

There is no legal issue here, the dog was in its own house protecting, reacting and showing dominance in its own territory.

[SallyRand]

At the risk of starting a firestorm, I'm going to speculate that the larger dog did NOT "attack" the baby dog.

Adult dogs will discipline puppies by grabbing them the head or the scruff of the neck and shaking them. Normally the puppy will calm right down but.................................

.it does happen that injuries can occur in this otherwise perfectly normal instinctive action and if humans were present and got all excited; shouting and screaming, this would have only further wound up BOTH dogs; the little one wouldn't shut up, so the big dog kept shakng and well, you know the result.

A true "attack" would most likely have evidenced itself in bites to the throat of the smaller dog.

There was a case in Overland Park, Kansas a few years back in which a Standard Poodle shook a human baby to death in the same sort of attempt at discipline.

In its world, the dog had done nothing wrong and indeed the death was the fault of the owners, who were NOT prosecuted. The dog was put down.

Small children should NEVER be left alone with dogs, period.

Also, introductions of dogs to other dogs should be carefully monitored, such that instinctive behavior can be controlled.

[MetaMan]

You and your girlfriend are both clueless idiots and should be banned from owning dogs. BOTH OF YOU should be banned from owning pets from here on in.

What kind of idiot brings a "tiny dog" into another dogs territory? If i had it my way you would never be allowed to own pets again as you and your girlfriend are both completely clueless.

You people buy these "cute" dogs, shit goes wrong and everyone else is to blame. Here is a tip look in the mirror.

Next time leave your toy dog inside so the rest of the world doesnt have to worry about shitty owners.

I am frankly tired of this world and all the pussies in it.

It is like small guys getting into fights and getting beaten to a pulp by a bigger guy and the big guy is the bad guy. Use your brain.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Markul

That dog costs motherfucking 2000 dollars!

This quote here just shows what your true colors are like.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

You and your girlfriend are both clueless idiots and should be banned from owning dogs. BOTH OF YOU should be banned from owning pets from here on in.

What kind of idiot brings a "tiny dog" into another dogs territory? If i had it my way you would never be allowed to own pets again as you and your girlfriend are both completely clueless.

You people buy these "cute" dogs, shit goes wrong and everyone else is to blame. Here is a tip look in the mirror.

Next time leave your toy dog inside so the rest of the world doesnt have to worry about shitty owners.

I am frankly tired of this world and all the pussies in it.

It is like small guys getting into fights and getting beaten to a pulp by a bigger guy and the big guy is the bad guy. Use your brain.

^^^^^^^
Thread over

[waltgator]

bummer man, sucks that it happened that way...but maybe try adopting another dog pound and screw those other peeps man

best
Walt

[tony286]

Sorry was your loss . I took my boston to my wifes brothers house when we went to stay with them for a few days. They have two dogs and a big cat. My boston was on his leash attached to my belt anytime we were out of the bedroom.

[Deej]

Going to be very honest here. Your gf blames herself for the right reason... if its ANYONES fault at all there. Its hers mostly. Sure the other owner a little. But 90% goes on her.

Danza pretty much explained it. You can be mad... but you have absolutely no right to be physically angry towards them. If they so choose to help with the cost you should fele lucky. if not. chalk it up as a GF fuck up.

Oh and sorry you feel bad. Losing dogs sucks. Youre just obviously not seeing this very clearly at the moment.

[split_joel]

First off I am sorry your dog had to die it could of been avoided and its never easy to lose a member of the family pet or not.

Second I have to add you need to step back and keep a level head because this is just as much your girlfriends fault as the big dogs owner. Why do you think dog parks have seperation? Not all big dogs hate small dogs or have ever had an issuue bitting any dog. Fact is dogs are animals and no level of training can take that away.

It is poor animal care on both owners fault for not keeping.both dogs on a leash go see how they act together esp in another dogs home. You never ever assume anything and when.you do Shit like this happends.

Once again im sorry for your loss but that big dog does not deserve punishment if anything your wife and yourself and big dog owner need to take classes on animal behavior.

[2MuchMark]

Sorry for your loss.

[split_joel]

Why did you erase your post it was really good

[VikingMan]

Sorry for your loss.

Adopt a dog next time

[chaze]

Originally Posted by Markul

Is it too much that I want:

a) the attacking dog to be killed
b) the owner to pay for our dog

?

That dog costs motherfucking 2000 dollars!

It traumatized the hell out of the kids, too bad I wasn't there when it happened, I'd have pwned the attacking dog and put it to sleep right there and then

It's not the dogs fault it's the parents. They should pay for a new one a fine and have the dog removed from their home and not be able to buy a dog 5 years.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

You and your girlfriend are both clueless idiots and should be banned from owning dogs. BOTH OF YOU should be banned from owning pets from here on in.

What kind of idiot brings a "tiny dog" into another dogs territory? If i had it my way you would never be allowed to own pets again as you and your girlfriend are both completely clueless.

You people buy these "cute" dogs, shit goes wrong and everyone else is to blame. Here is a tip look in the mirror.

Next time leave your toy dog inside so the rest of the world doesnt have to worry about shitty owners.

I am frankly tired of this world and all the pussies in it.

It is like small guys getting into fights and getting beaten to a pulp by a bigger guy and the big guy is the bad guy. Use your brain.

You Sir are a fucking moron and an asshole. Call me a pussy to my face please, you no good fucking keyboard warrior - your probably a pathetic fat uneducated redneck

I grew up on a farm you clueless dipshit, I wasn't there when it happened you fucking asshole. Learn how to read. Moron.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by split_joel

First off I am sorry your dog had to die it could of been avoided and its never easy to lose a member of the family pet or not.

Second I have to add you need to step back and keep a level head because this is just as much your girlfriends fault as the big dogs owner. Why do you think dog parks have seperation? Not all big dogs hate small dogs or have ever had an issuue bitting any dog. Fact is dogs are animals and no level of training can take that away.

It is poor animal care on both owners fault for not keeping.both dogs on a leash go see how they act together esp in another dogs home. You never ever assume anything and when.you do Shit like this happends.

Once again im sorry for your loss but that big dog does not deserve punishment if anything your wife and yourself and big dog owner need to take classes on animal behavior.

Thanks.

I do agree that my gf is to blame here, but she was following instructions of a professional - so you could argue that she though it was safe. I agree 100% that they should not have been with leashes when they didn't know each other.

But I can't tell my gf that right now, it'll have to wait until she's "over" it.

BUT being a pro that invited her into her home, she should know how her animals would react to strangers and this was no educating bite, it was a kill thing. Also it was not a case of HUGE dog vs. TINY dog. It was smallish dog versus tiny dog/puppy (he was 6 months old).

I appreciate all the good wishes and educative posts, thanks. I'm not really the one primarly in charge of the pets. Hell I'm almost always at work anyways.

I guess I was venting my frustration here, as many do. Danish law is clear on this matter and I will take all of it up with the police and insurance company. So I guess my initial question was more of a rhetorical nature.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

This quote here just shows what your true colors are like.

Yea sure, assume shit moron. I'm putting you on ignore, you clueless fucker.

[dc0ded]

I can understand your loss man... Around 6 months back my puppy was stolen. I still wonder where and how it would be now.

[TB Adriana]

I'm sorry about your loss, really, I know how it feels. My cocker spaniel passed away last week after 15 years with me and my family...

[seeandsee]

Sue the shit out of him if he dont want to pay

[candyflip]

So your little dog was unleashed in another dog's territory and you blame the owner and other dog?

Sorry for your loss, but to blame the other when your dog was IN THEIR domain is retarded.

As they say, there are no stupid dogs...only stupid owners.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Markul

You Sir are a fucking moron and an asshole. Call me a pussy to my face please, you no good fucking keyboard warrior - your probably a pathetic fat uneducated redneck

I grew up on a farm you clueless dipshit, I wasn't there when it happened you fucking asshole. Learn how to read. Moron.

Some times the truth hurts. Sorry.

[Gerco]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Pretty much explains it.

Doh....

Lets see...


Strange Tiny rat of a dog is running loose around bigger dogs territory. Gives unwanted attention to bigger dog and bigger dog defends its territory. Rat dog is such a frail example of the canine species that said attack kills it.

Sounds like Darwin to me.