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Mutt · 08-02-2011, 02:35 AM

if it 40 or 45 you wanted to purchase an annuity that would pay you $180,000 per year from retirement(65) til death how much would you have to put up?

ilnjscb · 08-02-2011, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

if it 40 or 45 you wanted to purchase an annuity that would pay you $180,000 per year from retirement(65) til death how much would you have to put up?

amazingly enough, exactly 1m.

1m * 1.05 ^ 22 = 2.9m
2.9m at 6% - 2%inflation = 183k/y

icymelon · 08-02-2011, 03:44 AM

there are a few closed end funds that pay out 10% year of nav. so if you would probably need 2 million to ensure you avg 180k year some years the nav will be up other times they will be down. if you went with corporate bond eft you might need a little more personally I think you risk is the same. these days your best low risk would be investment properties but even if you had property managers it would require some level of effort.

DWB · 08-02-2011, 03:54 AM

180,000 a year after the age of 65 is a LOT of money unless you're some international jet setter.

I can't imagine what I'd do at that age to spend anywhere near that much.

Mutt · 08-02-2011, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

180,000 a year after the age of 65 is a LOT of money unless you're some international jet setter.

I can't imagine what I'd do at that age to spend anywhere near that much.

you're still paying taxes when you're 65.

anyway this isn't me, i wish it was, i have a friend whose pension at retirement will pay her $180,000 per year until death. i'm just trying to figure out how much money i'd have to have to have the same sweet retirement one day.

i know nothing about retirement annuities, if i buy one and i die before retirement my family gets nothing? it's like gambling?

GatorB · 08-02-2011, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

180,000 a year after the age of 65 is a LOT of money unless you're some international jet setter.

I can't imagine what I'd do at that age to spend anywhere near that much.

For the record $180k in 22 years will be worth $115k in today's money assuming 2% inflation. If you live to 85 that $180k will be worth $77k.

$180k would be worth $92k in 22 years if assuming 3% inflation, $50k at age 85.

raymor · 08-02-2011, 05:27 AM

Over any ten year period, stocks have ALWAYS done much better than annuity rates, so you wouldn't want to actually buy an annuity unless you have some very special circumstances.

woj · 08-02-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

you're still paying taxes when you're 65.

anyway this isn't me, i wish it was, i have a friend whose pension at retirement will pay her $180,000 per year until death. i'm just trying to figure out how much money i'd have to have to have the same sweet retirement one day.

i know nothing about retirement annuities, if i buy one and i die before retirement my family gets nothing? it's like gambling?

what does your friend do?

GatorB · 08-02-2011, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

Over any ten year period, stocks have ALWAYS done much better than annuity rates, so you wouldn't want to actually buy an annuity unless you have some very special circumstances.

Really?

Dow Jones March 1999 9800
Dow Jones March 2009 6600

Mutt · 08-02-2011, 06:40 AM

maybe i'm using the wrong term - when you're a self employed person you don't have a pension. so the goal for somebody at 40 or if you push it off to 45 or 50 is to guarantee that at retirement age you can count on a certain amount of money per year just like somebody who has a pension from some big company they worked for.

stocks are risky, real estate is risky - yes you can pull stats that show over the long term stocks and real estate outperform other types of investments but you are talking about somebody who doesn't want to worry, they want to lock in some amount per year when they hit 65. people buy life insurance for the same reason, easy to say take the money you were going to spend on life insurance and put it in stocks or real estate - and you'll leave your family more. and if you die early, they're fucked. life insurance removes any risk, at a price obviously.

if that's not an annuity then what is it?

PR_Glen · 08-02-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Really?

Dow Jones March 1999 9800
Dow Jones March 2009 6600

yeah really.. what's the Dow at now?

Just because you find a fly in your soup that doesn't make all soup have flies...

DWB · 08-03-2011, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

For the record $180k in 22 years will be worth $115k in today's money assuming 2% inflation. If you live to 85 that $180k will be worth $77k.

$180k would be worth $92k in 22 years if assuming 3% inflation, $50k at age 85.

Work expenses excluded, I don't spend 50k a year NOW and I live a pretty good life, travel quite a bit, own everything I have, zero debt, and really want for nothing other than some new young Thai beaver a couple times a week.

Maybe if you're drowning in debt and living in a very expensive city, sure, but otherwise I just can't imagine being that age and needing that kind of money because I don't even need it now.

GatorB · 08-03-2011, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

yeah really.. what's the Dow at now?

Doesn't matter the poster said ALWAYS. I disproved that. If one is going to say something ALWAYS happens better make sure it does. Do you have an issue with accuracy?

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Originally Posted by raymor

Over any ten year period, stocks have ALWAYS done much better than annuity rates, so you wouldn't want to actually buy an annuity unless you have some very special circumstances.

Quote:

Just because you find a fly in your soup that doesn't make all soup have flies...

And just because one is a smartass doesn't mean they also can't be a dumbass.

GatorB · 08-03-2011, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Work expenses excluded, I don't spend 50k a year NOW and I live a pretty good life, travel quite a bit, own everything I have, zero debt, and really want for nothing other than some new young Thai beaver a couple times a week.

Maybe if you're drowning in debt and living in a very expensive city, sure, but otherwise I just can't imagine being that age and needing that kind of money because I don't even need it now.

Well I'm not saying is still isn't a lot. I'm merely pointing out that $180K in 40 years is not the same as $180K today. And you also never know what expenses you might have. 40 years ago gas wasn't $4 a gallon, TV was FREE, no such thing as cell phones and internet.

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08-02-2011, 06:40 AM	#10
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	maybe i'm using the wrong term - when you're a self employed person you don't have a pension. so the goal for somebody at 40 or if you push it off to 45 or 50 is to guarantee that at retirement age you can count on a certain amount of money per year just like somebody who has a pension from some big company they worked for. stocks are risky, real estate is risky - yes you can pull stats that show over the long term stocks and real estate outperform other types of investments but you are talking about somebody who doesn't want to worry, they want to lock in some amount per year when they hit 65. people buy life insurance for the same reason, easy to say take the money you were going to spend on life insurance and put it in stocks or real estate - and you'll leave your family more. and if you die early, they're fucked. life insurance removes any risk, at a price obviously. if that's not an annuity then what is it? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

08-02-2011, 03:54 AM	#4
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	180,000 a year after the age of 65 is a LOT of money unless you're some international jet setter. I can't imagine what I'd do at that age to spend anywhere near that much.