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shimmy2 · 08-29-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Wasn't there some big controversy about this guy owning a company which would profit from the mandatory tests? Didn't he shuffle the company around and put it in his wife's name so he could claim that he didn't own it or some such thing?

yes, rick scott owns quite a few hospitals and clinics in florida, the kickbacks circulate. and the tests are for people getting food stamps. food stamps are not the same as cash aid, there are no checks people can only buy food with them so thats why they couldn't just deduct the $30 from any payout. because most recipients dont get any cash payout only food

CaptainHowdy · 08-29-2011, 05:42 AM

BlackCrayon · 08-29-2011, 06:19 AM

yeah, so millions are wasted on many people who don't need/don't deserve assistance but its a drop in the bucket in comparison to a lot of money wasted on other things. all the money goes right back into the economy one way or another, these people do not save money. in canada its next to impossible to live off welfare unless you have a bunch of kids. even then, unless you are doing something for cash on the site, life will suck.

tony286 · 08-29-2011, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

yeah, so millions are wasted on many people who don't need/don't deserve assistance but its a drop in the bucket in comparison to a lot of money wasted on other things. all the money goes right back into the economy one way or another, these people do not save money. in canada its next to impossible to live off welfare unless you have a bunch of kids. even then, unless you are doing something for cash on the site, life will suck.

Well said, you give someone welfare they spend it all. Those are the real job creators. lol

Just Alex · 08-29-2011, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy2

yes, rick scott owns quite a few hospitals and clinics in florida, the kickbacks circulate. and the tests are for people getting food stamps. food stamps are not the same as cash aid, there are no checks people can only buy food with them so thats why they couldn't just deduct the $30 from any payout. because most recipients dont get any cash payout only food

Sure it is like cash. Well maybe devaluated cash. You just need to know how to flip it or "right" store to go to.

PR_Glen · 08-29-2011, 06:45 AM

there is no mystery here... people who would fail the test didn't come in to get tested.. so it can be affective in that sense at least.

Also there is no test in the world so shitty that wouldn't detect meth or coke in your system after 3 days... no chance in hell... If they were that bad they wouldn't even bother testing people for anything.

L-Pink · 08-29-2011, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Wasn't there some big controversy about this guy owning a company which would profit from the mandatory tests? Didn't he shuffle the company around and put it in his wife's name so he could claim that he didn't own it or some such thing?

Rick Scott owned a string of retirement homes that racked up almost 2 BILLION in fines for Medicare fraud. Then my fellow Floridians elect him as Gov. Florida is a fucked up state.

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Joshua G · 08-29-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

NO his point is that the Tampa Tribune is closer to Fox News than it is MSNBC. That's why your "liberal" comment was retarded.

No failbot. My comment was directed at the link, which was to a liberal blog with a big fat tilt. Im not gonna homework the source of the source to appease people deflecting off the issue. Even if the source was karl rove, this thread is based on a tilted blog. Maybe you want me to get a bio on the tribunes writer as well. If you have no insight on the issue at hand, go away.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-29-2011, 08:20 AM

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[C]ost of the tests averages about $30. Assuming that 1,000 to 1,500 applicants take the test every month, the state will owe about $28,800-$43,200 monthly in reimbursements to those who test drug-free. ...

Yeah, people who really need aid have $30.00 to pay up front ???

Another exclusionary tactic ...

raymor · 08-29-2011, 08:44 AM

I just came across the "catch" here. That is aside from the claim that "98%" passed when 2% decided not to take the test and 2% failed. Someone can't do math.

Anyway, here's the catch. Testing began in late July. The reported result was based on an early sample of 40 people. So a correct headline would be "2% of carefully chosen people STILL fail". I'll be interested to see the results of a full month or two of,applicants. I'll also be curious to see if applications drop despite the bad economy because the druggies don't bother to apply.

I know based on experience that drug use in taxpayer subsidized housing is AT LEAST 20%. I don't too much care if someone wanted to use drugs. That's their business, to some extent. Just don't ask me to skip the dental work I need so I can pay for your house and groceries while you spend the day getting high.

Rochard · 08-29-2011, 08:53 AM

Simple. They know they are going to take a drug test and clean up before they do, and stay clean just long enough to pass it. I'd be stunned if only 2% failed.

When I was in the Marines my unit had a surprise drugs test and 70% of my unit failed.

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Drug use and drug addiction or chronic drug use that impairs someone's ability to function are two separate things.

Having lived a somewhat divided childhood myself, I grew up in a poor neighborhood but hung around wealthy people as I got older, I would say that drug use among the affluent is MUCH higher than among the poor. The difference is that kids from upper middle class and above homes have a huge safety net, so they can do drugs and still live a somewhat normal life despite the consequences. A kid in a poor neighborhood has no safety net, so the first time he gets busted or has drug a related problem, his life begins to spiral out of control and never gets back on track. That's what makes poor people look like such hopeless drug addicts, it's because they have no safety net. There is no family they can move in with, they can't spend a few months in rehab while their family loves them and tells them how proud they are, even though they come out and keep doing drugs.

My point is that people are poor because they either choose not to work, or they can't work. It's not because they are drug addicts.

Of course, I still don't know if the original stats posted in this thread are accurate and I said so in my first post. All I'm saying is based on my own experience, it wouldn't surprise me. Drug use among those on social assistance is probably the same or maybe even a bit lower than the general population due to their lack of disposable income.

The difference is our tax dollars don't go to support the rich.

epitome · 08-29-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Also there is no test in the world so shitty that wouldn't detect meth or coke in your system after 3 days... no chance in hell... If they were that bad they wouldn't even bother testing people for anything.

You must've been a good boy all of your life to not know what drugs you can do up to 72 hours before a test.

Proud of you being straight edge.

In other news, there is a $300 test much harder to pass. They should be using them... hell most people get almost that a month in benefits.

Edit: Here ya go: http://www.drugdetectionwindow.com/

WarChild · 08-29-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

I just came across the "catch" here. That is aside from the claim that "98%" passed when 2% decided not to take the test and 2% failed. Someone can't do math.

I first thought this too, but what they're trying to say is that 98% of applicants passed the test anfd 2% failed. 2% of the total that started the application process dropped out before completing the process because of the drug test and are not counted in the testing pool. It's kind of odd wording but it still adds up.

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	yeah, so millions are wasted on many people who don't need/don't deserve assistance but its a drop in the bucket in comparison to a lot of money wasted on other things. all the money goes right back into the economy one way or another, these people do not save money. in canada its next to impossible to live off welfare unless you have a bunch of kids. even then, unless you are doing something for cash on the site, life will suck. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day.. Last edited by BlackCrayon; 08-29-2011 at 06:20 AM..

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raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	I just came across the "catch" here. That is aside from the claim that "98%" passed when 2% decided not to take the test and 2% failed. Someone can't do math. Anyway, here's the catch. Testing began in late July. The reported result was based on an early sample of 40 people. So a correct headline would be "2% of carefully chosen people STILL fail". I'll be interested to see the results of a full month or two of,applicants. I'll also be curious to see if applications drop despite the bad economy because the druggies don't bother to apply. I know based on experience that drug use in taxpayer subsidized housing is AT LEAST 20%. I don't too much care if someone wanted to use drugs. That's their business, to some extent. Just don't ask me to skip the dental work I need so I can pay for your house and groceries while you spend the day getting high. Last edited by raymor; 08-29-2011 at 08:49 AM..