Holy fuckity fuck the pilot didnt have a chance.

[camperjohn64]

Look at the speed this thing smashed into the ground!!! Holy fuck!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...-crash-new.kgw

[Just Alex]

I'll never go to one of those shows.

[Lykos]

Damn,this is scary

[L-Pink]

I don't know the wisdom of 60 plus year old aircraft and 70 plus year old pilots doing stunts over/close to crowds.

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[margarita]

too bad and killed other ppl http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ash/50482462/1

[DaddyHalbucks]

Wow that thing hit hard.

400 mph?

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't know the wisdom of 60 plus year old aircraft and 70 plus year old pilots doing stunts over/close to crowds.

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I mean, seriously. wtf were they doing.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't know the wisdom of 60 plus year old aircraft and 70 plus year old pilots doing stunts over/close to crowds.

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That's why I think any investigation is a waste of money.

[GrouchyAdmin]

1) That plane is not a standard P-51, it's been a show plane since the 1940s, and has been kept up, accordingly. Shitty hack-rag writers are shitty hack-rag writers.

2) That pilot did all he could with the downforce he'd have to even get the elevator up is in the hundreds of pounds, sustained. He did what he could. Age has nothing to do with it.

3) Stop arguing shit you have no fucking clue about. It just makes you look dumb.

[alias]

Sad footage.

[vdbucks]

Why is everyone so fascinated with death?

[crockett]

There was mechanical failure with the plane, but it will likely be ruled as both mechanical failure & pilot error.

One of the elevator trim tabs broke off the plane and the pilot had to decide to either pull out of the race or try to continue and it appears he tried to continue. Added to this the aircraft had been greatly modified before this years race which likely compounded the issue once the trim tab broke off.

They had narrowed the wings 5ft on each side plus reduced the control surface size to make the aircraft more aerodynamic and faster but also would make it less stable in the air. This was the first race the aircraft had been in since those modifications.

Once he made the commitment to the turn he was no longer able to control the aircraft and he hit 9g+ which means he was blacked out from the time the aircraft went up rolled and went into the ground.

Added to that a pilot at the age of 74 should have never been flying in that kind of event due to the stress that is on the body, regardless of what shape he was in or how much people claim his age meant nothing.

The cause of the accident was in the pilots hands, despite the mechanical failure as he committed to continue the race even though he certainly knew something had happened to the aircraft. It would have been like a F-1 driver losing a wheel and trying to continue the race at full speed.

[96ukssob]

that is crazy

[thickcash_amo]

I went to that show 2 years ago. Very sad, but its a good thing it didn't crash behind the stands where all the vendors are. thats where most of the crowd hangs out.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

1) That plane is not a standard P-51, it's been a show plane since the 1940s, and has been kept up, accordingly. Shitty hack-rag writers are shitty hack-rag writers.

2) That pilot did all he could with the downforce he'd have to even get the elevator up is in the hundreds of pounds, sustained. He did what he could. Age has nothing to do with it.

So what happened? Was it mechanical failure or pilot error? And aren't both highlighted by age? Honest questions.

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[cooldude7]

damn, thats bad.,

its okie with vintage cars but not with vintage planes.,

[Spunky]

I'm really surprised this doesn't happen more often,there is no second chances

[d-null]

it seemed like people in the crowd were saying "no! no! no! no!" before it even hit, it seemed to happen so fast I wonder how they saw it coming out of control?

[d-null]

airshows are banned in Ukraine since in Ukraine in 2002 this terrible accident happened at an airshow, a jet came down into the crowd, 77 people died

at the 8:00 point of this video compilation you can see a very clear view as the jet comes down, the pilots ejected but were sentenced to many years in jail after this for negligence

extreme viewer warning for many parts of this video as it shows so much death

http://video.i.ua/user/1820604/41934/203828/

[drmadcat]

did the pilot die

[crockett]

Originally Posted by d-null

airshows are banned in Ukraine since in Ukraine in 2002 this terrible accident happened at an airshow, a jet came down into the crowd, 77 people died

at the 8:00 point of this video compilation you can see a very clear view as the jet comes down, the pilots ejected but were sentenced to many years in jail after this for negligence

extreme viewer warning for many parts of this video as it shows so much death

http://video.i.ua/user/1820604/41934/203828/

Damn that's insane and that camera guy was close as hell. I've seen other footage of that Russian accident before, but never that video. The second camera guy was lucky as hell to have not been killed in the part at the end, I know there was zoom but damn he looked to have been with-in 100ft or less of where if scraped across the ground before it's final impact.

edit..

I also never realized how long that pilot waited before he punched out. I mean damn the jet was on the ground when he ejected, so at the very least he tried til the last second to save it.

[CurrentlySober]

i expected another '2 and a half men' thread !

[seeandsee]

what a mess, and strike was fast

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't know the wisdom of 60 plus year old aircraft and 70 plus year old pilots doing stunts over/close to crowds.

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What about the modifications that had been done to the airplane.

and they were not doing stunts. they were racing pylons.

[campimp]

that and baja racing are two sports i prefer to watch from the luxury of my own couch

[michael.kickass]

It was inevitable.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by crockett

Once he made the commitment to the turn he was no longer able to control the aircraft and he hit 9g+ which means he was blacked out from the time the aircraft went up rolled and went into the ground.

Added to that a pilot at the age of 74 should have never been flying in that kind of event due to the stress that is on the body, regardless of what shape he was in or how much people claim his age meant nothing.

both these points aren't true.. Ever been to a redbull air race? those guys pull turns going 9 to even 12g's on the one big turn in the races, nobody passes out in those. On top of that they are all retired fighter pilots pretty much and most are in their 60's and up...

[AdultEUhost-Sebas]

Stop the air shows! It's the same everywhere ... accidents.

[stephane76]

i was reading the local newspaper yesterday and they made it sound like that A P-51 Mustang went thru a lot of mods...

RENO, Nev. The pilot of a P-51 Mustang killed in a Reno air race crash said major changes were made to the World War II-era fighter plane before this year's race.

A podcast uploaded to YouTube in June shows Jimmy Leeward discussing the plane called "The Galloping Ghost."

He said his crew cut five feet off each wing and shortened the ailerons - the back edge of the main wings used to control balance. Leeward said the team also took the scoop off the bottom, changed the cooling system and put on a different canopy.

He said the goal was to make the plane more aerodynamic so it goes faster without a bigger engine.

Leeward said the systems weren't proven, but the team thought they would be OK.



Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...#ixzz1YcAPzraY

[WebCashMaker]

I thought there would be more of a fire.

I guess they are not that loaded up with jet fuel.

[Scott McD]

Insane video!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

both these points aren't true.. Ever been to a redbull air race? those guys pull turns going 9 to even 12g's on the one big turn in the races, nobody passes out in those. On top of that they are all retired fighter pilots pretty much and most are in their 60's and up...

You are insane if you think the human body can with stand 9 or 10 g's with out using a pressure suit and not black out, specially when you aren't prepared and it happens as fast as it did to him.. I dunno if Red Bull racers use pressure suits, but I know the guys in flying at Reno don't and no one specially a 74 year old man is gonna take 9 G's instantly like that with out blacking out.

Not to mention there is a difference in positive & negative G's. You can take much more positive G's which is G for pushing you down, where as negative G it's about 3 before you black out. I'd assume during the process if the plane rolling & stalling he certainly experienced both positive & negative G's.

The exact same thing happened to another P-51 a few years ago at a difference race when his trim tab broke off and it was a 40 year old man. His aircraft went into a steep climb and he also blacked out and woke up a almost 10k ft. The only reason he didn't also crash is because his aircraft kept climbing.

To give you an example of what 9 G's is.. If you look at some of those pictures, the rear tail wheel is out. That's because the G load the plane was in, over came the pressure lock of the hydrolic system and pushed the wheel out. That only happens at 9G plus and you really think that the Human body is still going to pump blood to the brain if taking that amount of force?

It's one thing if you have a G-suit on the minimize the pressure and "know" it's coming, but there is no way that pilot was awake. Not to mention most of the photo evidence shows him slumped over in the cockpit, which is pretty damning evidence in it's self that he was blacked out.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by crockett

The exact same thing happened to another P-51 a few years ago at a difference race when his trim tab broke off and it was a 40 year old man. His aircraft went into a steep climb and he also blacked out and woke up a almost 10k ft. The only reason he didn't also crash is because his aircraft kept climbing.
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is 10k feet a normal ceiling for that aircraft? what was his ride back down like?

[Allison]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

I'll never go to one of those shows.

I said the same exact thing to someone I was meeting with for lunch the same day this happened because it just seems like there are always crashes and that's got to be traumatic to watch. Then 4 hours later I check the news and low and behold the Reno crash was the headline.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

1) That plane is not a standard P-51, it's been a show plane since the 1940s, and has been kept up, accordingly. Shitty hack-rag writers are shitty hack-rag writers.

2) That pilot did all he could with the downforce he'd have to even get the elevator up is in the hundreds of pounds, sustained. He did what he could. Age has nothing to do with it.

3) Stop arguing shit you have no fucking clue about. It just makes you look dumb.

Here's what we have a clue about...

An antique plane failed and flew into a crowd, killing people.

Is it more complicated than that?

How can you possibly say "he did what he could"? Were you talking to him during the .05 seconds it took him to fly into the ground? How can you say age had nothing to do with it? You have no idea.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by thickcash_amo

I went to that show 2 years ago. Very sad, but its a good thing it didn't crash behind the stands where all the vendors are. thats where most of the crowd hangs out.

I know huh? I went to an air show out here a few months ago and it was packed with people... Hit the crowd in the right place and will kill hundreds.

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by currentlysober

i expected another '2 and a half men' thread !

fuck you fat fuck

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by crockett

You are insane if you think the human body can with stand 9 or 10 g's with out using a pressure suit and not black out, specially when you aren't prepared and it happens as fast as it did to him.. I dunno if Red Bull racers use pressure suits, but I know the guys in flying at Reno don't and no one specially a 74 year old man is gonna take 9 G's instantly like that with out blacking out.

Not to mention there is a difference in positive & negative G's. You can take much more positive G's which is G for pushing you down, where as negative G it's about 3 before you black out. I'd assume during the process if the plane rolling & stalling he certainly experienced both positive & negative G's.

The exact same thing happened to another P-51 a few years ago at a difference race when his trim tab broke off and it was a 40 year old man. His aircraft went into a steep climb and he also blacked out and woke up a almost 10k ft. The only reason he didn't also crash is because his aircraft kept climbing.

To give you an example of what 9 G's is.. If you look at some of those pictures, the rear tail wheel is out. That's because the G load the plane was in, over came the pressure lock of the hydrolic system and pushed the wheel out. That only happens at 9G plus and you really think that the Human body is still going to pump blood to the brain if taking that amount of force?

It's one thing if you have a G-suit on the minimize the pressure and "know" it's coming, but there is no way that pilot was awake. Not to mention most of the photo evidence shows him slumped over in the cockpit, which is pretty damning evidence in it's self that he was blacked out.

wait, but he was a hero (so i've heard)

pfft.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

3) Stop arguing shit you have no fucking clue about. It just makes you look dumb.

^^^ this

[plsureking]

that p-51 had a pretty low impact tho. i guess they dont carry much fuel. not like an f-14 hitting dirt. just saying..

[scarlettcontent]

horrific

[KickAssJesse]

damn...

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

fuck you fat fuck

Save those insults for Chuck Lorre - He's responsible - Not ME...

Originally Posted by astronaut x

pfft.

Did you just fart ?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by d-null

is 10k feet a normal ceiling for that aircraft? what was his ride back down like?

I'm not sure being the unlimited planes are pretty modified. The one that crashed for example had 10 ft of wing clipped and the radiator air intake had been removed and it was using some sort of boil off cooling system. Meaning it probably couldn't stay air born for long periods.

This is a quote off another forum about the other P51 that suffered the same mechanical failure a few years prior to this accident, which also happened at a Reno race. (Voodoo was the air craft's name and Bob Hannah was the pilot.)

"About 5 seconds after Voodoo pitched up suddenly, Steve Hinton radioed Hannah, "You OK Bob?" "Yeah, this thing just popped big time", replied Hannah. What Hannah didn't mention is that the g-load from the quick pull-up had caused him to black out. He finally managed to reach the throttle and reduced Voodoo's power. At that point Hannah radioed that he "wasn't out of it yet," and that he wasn't thinking clearly. Later, he declared a mayday and made a perfect landing. . . . On the ground one could see what cause Voodoo's problems during the race. The left elevator torque tube failed when the elevator trim fluttered and departed the plane."

Bob Hannah was 41 years old and in excellent physical shape. Still, it took him a while to recover from the rapid onset of high g. Now, Leeward was 74 years old, with the reduced blood flow that follows all aging. He didn't have enough time to recover from the GLOC.

This was a picture of that air craft on the ground and notice it's missing the same trim tab..



edit..

btw this video had pretty much the entire crash from the time it started climbing till it rolled over and powered into the ground. Pretty sure this is the only vid out there that shows the entire crash from start to end.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KRZYcD76c1c

IMO it's pretty clear from this vid that the pilot was not in control of the aircraft, once it's pitched up and it was just, speed, torque and where ever the rudder & elevators happened to be pointed that took it where it was gonna go. You can see how violent the change of directions were and I don't think there is any way anyone wouldn't have blacked out from that much G force coming on so fast.

[crockett]

Just wanted to add, that if nothing else, this wreck to put to rest the 9/11 truthers claims that air plane's don't just disappear in to tiny bits in a crash. That plane hit the ground at about 400 MPH and as you can see there wasn't much left of it.