Ron Paul Supports al-Qaida Leader

[porno jew]

calls his death an "assassination."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-30-10-34-45

ron paul 2012.

[ReGGs]

I'm not a huge ron paul fan but he does have an extremely valid point. If the guy was an American citizen and this was an extrajudicial assassination it sets a precedent that everyone should be extremely concerned about.

TLDR: Our government just killed a citizen without trial.

[DarkJedi]

- Ron Paul Supports al-Qaida Leader
- calls his death an "assassination."

FAIL LOGIC MUCH ?

[Adult Insider Dave]

He doesn't support them, his point was that the President should not have the power to assassinate people, especially American citizen. Where do you draw the line is what he is asking us.

[ReGGs]

I saw a good question posed to republicans and democrats alike.

How would you like it if Hilary Clinton or Sarah Palin was able to spy without warrant and then kill you without a trial based upon nothing more than an accusation made by the government?

[sperbonzo]

He was right. He was executed without trial and he is an American citizen. He should have been captured and brought to trial. Non US citizens are a different story IMHO

[mayabong]

Looks like the pentagon really liked this guy. No conspiracy here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...tember-11.html

[IllTestYourGirls]

Yeah Ron Paul is crazy. I think any president should be able to kill any citizen he feels like.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Looks like the pentagon really liked this guy. No conspiracy here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...tember-11.html

interesting. ron paul is supporting a black ops false flag operative. guess we know who ron paul is working for.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by porno jew

interesting. ron paul is supporting a black ops false flag operative. guess we know who ron paul is working for.

Have you seen any proof this guy was killed? have you seen any proof that he's the real leader of the so called alqaeda? Have you ever seen any proof whatsoever that OBL was killed?

Why parrot things when you have no proof whatsoever. I realize your name is porno jew and you probably support israel which is why you probably hate ron paul.

EDIT TO ADD:

I'm also supposed to believe that the American Alqaeda who's leader is Adam Pearlman who's grandfather worked for the ADL is really a extremist muslim? rofl

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Have you seen any proof this guy was killed? have you seen any proof that he's the real leader of the so called alqaeda? Have you ever seen any proof whatsoever that OBL was killed?

Why parrot things when you have no proof whatsoever. I realize your name is porno jew and you probably support israel which is why you probably hate ron paul.

interesting as ron paul gets caught supporting a flase flag covert operative to justify that you say "he doesn't exist". funny how denial works in the ron paul supporters brains.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by porno jew

interesting as ron paul gets caught supporting a flase flag covert operative to justify that you say "he doesn't exist". funny how denial works in the ron paul supporters brains.

First off, Ron Paul does not "support" the guy. Ron Paul thinks US citizens are protected by the Constitution and should get a trial. Is he wrong?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by porno jew

calls his death an "assassination."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-30-10-34-45

ron paul 2012.

bit early for a witch hunt eh?

assassination has been big for awhile.. that's a slippery slope

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by ReGGs

I saw a good question posed to republicans and democrats alike.

How would you like it if Hilary Clinton or Sarah Palin was able to spy without warrant and then kill you without a trial based upon nothing more than an accusation made by the government?

first they came for..

[mayabong]

Be very afraid of Al Qaeda especially the ones that are in america.

[porno jew]

RP is a NWO sleeper agent. spread the truth.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by ReGGs

I'm not a huge ron paul fan but he does have an extremely valid point.

It really is a valid point.

While I could care less - for me one terrorist is no different from another - the truth is the United States intentionally targeted and killed an United States citizen without any due process.

However, I don't believe American law applies here. American laws do not apply to the American military when in a combat zone - the Uniform Code Of Military Justice does. And while the UCMJ does have laws about "murder", it's a little bit murky - they were under orders to kill a member of al qaeda, no matter what his nationality was.

[TheDoc]

So when a criminal in America is shooting others and we can't get to them directly, does the sniper or someone kill them? Yep!

Oh wait, what about the trial? Ohhhhhh now it's not bad.

Ron Paul says some stupid shit sometimes.

[Matt 26z]

By Ron Paul's logic, the north shouldn't have killed any confederates during the civil war since they were fellow Americans.

There comes a time when people cross a line and the country is forced to turn on them. Joining al-Qaeda crosses that line.


Ron Paul is in crash & burn mode. This comes shortly after that event where the debate audience called for the uninsured to die and Ron Paul seemed to agree. Ron Paul is one of those presidential candidates who runs as a publicity stunt.

[Lucy - CSC]

Obamas policies I thought would be a Neo Con dream. Assassinations of muslim cleric. Stuff Dick Cheney masturbates to.

Obama = Change. Fucking joke of the century. Shame it has cost tens of thousands of people their lives.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Obamas policies I thought would be a Neo Con dream. Assassinations of muslim cleric. Stuff Dick Cheney masturbates to.

Obama = Change. Fucking joke of the century. Shame it has cost tens of thousands of people their lives.

Change? This is what he said he would do.

He campaigned on moving the focus of the troops from Iraq to Afghan, and he did and said he would confront terrorism on any front, and he is.

[raymor]

I haven't paid attention to the coverage of that, but:

as·sas·si·nate
verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
1.
to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person; murder premeditatedly and treacherously.


Was al-Awlaki not a politically prominent person killed suddenly and secretly?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Saves the expense of a trial for a traitor to his country.

"Fighting the devil doesn't require consultation or prayers seeking divine guidance. They are the party of the devils.

"Fighting them is what is called for at this time. We have reached a point where it is either us or them.

"We are two opposites that will never come together. What they want can only be accomplished by our elimination. Therefore this is a defining battle." ... Anwar al-Awlaki.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15124351

[W]e have reached a point where it is either us or them. ... You lose

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

BUT he was also a US Citizen that was not afforded his due process.

But an American in a foreign country isn't guaranteed any rights at all. American law doesn't come in to play, nor does any of his "American rights".

[mountainmiester]

In part, I agree with Ron Paul however, there is a way we could have done this better. Revoke his citizenship, then blow his ass out of existence.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

I am not an RP supporter and this Samir guy was certainly supporting/promoting terrorists. BUT he was also a US Citizen that was not afforded his due process. This kind of action gives the US gov more power and proves being a US citizen and your rights mean nothing.

It won't be long before you see the Government trample all over your rights on a mere suspicion or a manufactured one. You NEVER trade your liberty for security.

I bet your would be crying a different story if a gunman came into your house and took your family hostage.

I bet you would be like, fuck this due process shit... kill the bastard.

I guess it's different when it's not your family, eh?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Yes, they do. If you are an American and commit a crime, like child molestation, bank robbery, or any felony in foreign country, you could be subjected to the same penalties as if you were here.

No, not at all.

If "Bob" is an American, goes to France, and robs a bank, he is subject to French law - Not US law. He is not protected by US law. He goes to trial in France, under French law, and serves time in a French prison. He cannot be extradited to the US to be charged; He did not break United States laws.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Here's a better understanding. If you went to a country where the age of consent is 14 and had sex, then came back to the US, you could be prosecuted for a sex crime, but you'd still get your due process. My point.

Wrong. You could be charged with "intention to cross the border with the intention of committing a sex crime".

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Meaning, if you're a US citizen and commit any crime according to US law, even if it's legal there, you can be prosecuted in the US for it. The CIA ignored this and killed a US citizen without due process.

No, not at all. If it's legal for me to eat Shark meat in Japan, I cannot be arrested when I return to the US. US Law does not apply in Japan.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

What you should be really concerned about is the true double standard we have in this country. Many American born Jews have gone to Israel and served in the IDF and committed crimes against Palestinians. You never hear of them getting blown up by drones do you?

Again, American law does not apply to Americans in other countries. In other words, I can go and join the French Foreign Legion, and go to war some place in Africa, and American law does not apply.

An American born Palestinian can go to Israel, kill whomever he wanted, and American law would not apply.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

I am not an RP supporter and this Samir guy was certainly supporting/promoting terrorists. BUT he was also a US Citizen that was not afforded his due process. This kind of action gives the US gov more power and proves being a US citizen and your rights mean nothing.

Hey Man!!!

Obama practiced and lectures on Constitutional Law. I'm sure he know's what he's doing.

[jesse_adultdatingdollars]

This guy was openly plotting to use poison gas to kill Americans. God Bless The USA. I love how we are getting down on these terrorists. They are falling like dominoes.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by jesse_adultdatingdollars

This guy was openly plotting to use poison gas to kill Americans. God Bless The USA. I love how we are getting down on these terrorists. They are falling like dominoes.

Which just might make it okay to assassinate him. When someone is waging war against you, a bullet through the head might be the right answer.

Funny, though, wasn't there a presidential candidate who campaigned on the promise of closing Guantanamo and bringing the terrorists here, trying them in civilian court, and giving them full rights as though they were citizens? Barak somebody I think it was? That's one broken promise that may be good for the country.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by porno jew

calls his death an "assassination."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...09-30-10-34-45

ron paul 2012.

It was an assassination. To think otherwise is being retarded.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by ReGGs

I saw a good question posed to republicans and democrats alike.

How would you like it if Hilary Clinton or Sarah Palin was able to spy without warrant and then kill you without a trial based upon nothing more than an accusation made by the government?

if I was going on TV saying "I will kill Hillary Clinton" then yeah I should be smart enough to know she might get all PMSee about that and try to kill me.

[PornMD]

I find it interesting that any republicans would be crying foul about this. If one was president and ordered this, you know exactly what would be said. "He's a patriot defending the country - a democrat president wouldn't have had the balls to do it and would want to give the monster a trial." Such an odd role reversal here.

I realize Ron Paul isn't typical republican but still.

[Relentless]

You might trust Obama with the power to assassinate American citizens... How would you feel if Michelle Bachman got elected and claimed to have that authority?
Ron Paul is absolutely right about this.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Relentless

You might trust Obama with the power to assassinate American citizens... How would you feel if Michelle Bachman got elected and claimed to have that authority?
Ron Paul is absolutely right about this.

This so called American was in a foreign country leading their recruiting drive. He had pretty much joined an enemy force and had openly declared war on the US.

Don't care if it was Bush, Obama, Backman, or even fucking Palin. So long as they are in the Oval Office, so be it.

[VikingMan]

Another fake death of yet another fake Al Qaida spokesperson. These guys are actors/CIA assets. This is just plain cartoonish.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This so called American was in a foreign country leading their recruiting drive. He had pretty much joined an enemy force and had openly declared war on the US.
Don't care if it was Bush, Obama, Backman, or even fucking Palin. So long as they are in the Oval Office, so be it.

He is not a 'so called' Ameican. He is an ACTUAL American.
Nobody doubts his US Citizenship.

He is alleged to have been a bad person. There allegedly is evidence he was a bad person.
Nobody has seen that evidence. He was not given due process to refute any of that evidence.

If the police are 100% sure you killed children... They must arrest you and put you on trial.
They can not 'just shoot you' no matter how sure they are...because your citizenship guarantees you due process.

This incident erodes YOUR rights and quietly confers the right to kill you without any due process on anyone in the white house who claims to have secret evidence against you.

That precedent is much more dangerous than ANY terrorist will ever be...

[Ronzo]

Ron Paul is full of shit, and lacks common sense. He's hung up on the US Constitution... a document written 200 years ago by a group of people who had their shit together, but who had no way of foreseeing how the world would change. It's like people who try to interpret the Bible for insight and moral guidance in how to live their lives. It doesn't work for the times.

For Ron Paul. it would be better to put US boots on the ground to capture this terrorist flake and have US Special Ops guys risk their lives to get him live. Then, bring him back so more halfwits could argue about where and how he should be tried.

This clown was only marginally a US citizen... he was first and foremost a Yemeni terrorist hellbent on killing Americans so he could fuck virgins when he met his god. Let's see... Ron Paul wants to grant rights to terrorists on foreign soil, unnecessarily risk American soldiers and give Iran the opportunity to play with nukes. What a novel way of keeping America safe. This should knock him out of the running for the GOP nomination and deservedly so.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by *******

Another fake death of yet another fake Al Qaida spokesperson. These guys are actors/CIA assets. This is just plain cartoonish.

At least one person gets it here.

As posted above, this guy dined at the pentagon after 911 and noone seems to really put 2 and 2 together.

[VikingMan]

Your masters love this, they now know that they can murder an American citizen and 90% of you will rationalize it as being ok. Next time it will be a "real American" and the same turds will rationalize it as being ok. Of course they already knew they could get away with it since they murdered children in Waco in the early 90's and the turds rationalized it was ok because the the victims were part of a "cult". And they did in fact murder all those children because there was video going around on VHS that clearly showed a tank with flame thrower blasting the Branch Davidian compount. Of course the controlled mainstream media did not show that video so the turds just ignored it.

[Jakez]

Even if he did support him, I'm sure he'd have a good reason. Supporting terrorists is clearly not his shtick so titles like this are laughable.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by *******

Your masters love this, they now know that they can murder an American citizen and 90% of you will rationalize it as being ok. Next time it will be a "real American" and the same turds will rationalize it as being ok. Of course they already knew they could get away with it since they murdered children in Waco in the early 90's and the turds rationalized it was ok because the the victims were part of a "cult". And they did in fact murder all those children because there was video going around on VHS that clearly showed a tank with flame thrower blasting the Branch Davidian compount. Of course the controlled mainstream media did not show that video so the turds just ignored it.

You can find a large amount of history where the US Gov or Police have killed citizens, it's not new, it's happened a lot.

I bet you would be hard pressed to find a country where that hasn't happened.

[Zoxxa]

So all the Nazi solders that Americans killed in WW2 were assassinations?

[nation-x]

Here is where you see common ground among Libertarians and hardcore left wingers... if you go to dailykos.com you will find a lot of posts saying the same thing as Ron Paul.

My personal opinion is that providing material and physical support to Al Qaeda firmly placed al-Awlaki in the "enemy combatant" role. He was killed in a bomb raid in a foreign country known to harbor our enemies. I have no sympathy for him or anyone like him...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Relentless

He is not a 'so called' Ameican. He is an ACTUAL American.
Nobody doubts his US Citizenship.

He is alleged to have been a bad person. There allegedly is evidence he was a bad person.
Nobody has seen that evidence. He was not given due process to refute any of that evidence.

If the police are 100% sure you killed children... They must arrest you and put you on trial.
They can not 'just shoot you' no matter how sure they are...because your citizenship guarantees you due process.

This incident erodes YOUR rights and quietly confers the right to kill you without any due process on anyone in the white house who claims to have secret evidence against you.

That precedent is much more dangerous than ANY terrorist will ever be...

There some vast differences here.

There is a staggering difference between arresting someone in the United States and a military force taking out a military target. In the United States we have the infrastructure to local, arrest, accuse, and bring someone to trial. In a military combat situation, there is not of this. When we have a combatant in foreign country who has taken action against the United States, there is no due process - be it an American or not.

And I have doubts that he was still an American. He pretty much declared war on the United States dozens of times and was very public about it.

This doesn't erode my rights at all. I'll never be accused of going to a foreign country and supporting the enemy.

[campimp]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

For Ron Paul. it would be better to put US boots on the ground to capture this terrorist flake and have US Special Ops guys risk their lives to get him live. Then, bring him back so more halfwits could argue about where and how he should be tried.

i dont think you know too much about Ron Paul if you think he would ever consider putting Us boots on foreign ground for this guy

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

I didn't say that, but in part you're also way wrong. Of course he's not going to be protected by the US, but can be (see below) extradited/charged. But will suffer the same "penalties". Meaning, here is a case of an American gun dealer who forgot to take his ammunition out of his truck and caught a Mexican felony that went on his record in the US. He's not allowed to own a firearm for a crime he did not commit in the US. He went all the way to the Supreme Court and lost. Also, if you care to look, many American drug dealers, especially in Thailand who've been caught, catch the same felony conviction penalties on their record when they get State side.

This case is interesting but proves my point. He was never arrested in the US, and was never charged in the US. He was transferred to a US prison because of a US / Mexican treaty that allows US citizens to serve out their Mexican prison terms in the US. He lost his firearms permit because the government decided his actions were careless. But he was never arrested and was never charged in the US.

And by the way, he did in fact violate US law when he brought firearms and weapons across the border.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You're absolutely wrong on this. If you have sex with a minor in a foreign country you broke the law and will be catch the same penalties if it was intentional, or not.

He was not charged with molesting a child. He was charged with one count of "traveling overseas to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor". What he did outside of the US the US cannot charge him for, but the act of leaving the country with the intention of committing a sex crime is a crime that took place in the US.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

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You are totally wrong on this one, you fail to understand "US" international laws. Like John Walker who never fired a shot at an American soldier, but was there fighting against the Afghan Northern Alliance and caught a 20 year sentence in the states because of it.

He was charged with 'Conspiracy to murder US citizens or US nationals" - which was a crime committed on US soil when he left the country with the intention of joining a terrorist organization with the intention of killing Americans.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Just because a Government brands you anything, should be irrelevant unless it's proven in a court of law. What they just proved, for me anyway, constitutional laws mean nothing. We are not citizens, but mere subjects that have only a facade of true liberty.

Your confusing the American right to due process with a military operation. On American soil, United States citizens have certain rights. Outside of the United States, these rights do not exist.

Outside of the United States, the US military operates under it's own rules and guidelines. For example, in the US it's illegal to shoot and kill someone. However, the US military does this on a daily basis in foreign countries.

The CIA operates under no laws at all, just by the nature of what the CIA is. When the CIA operates in France, US law doesn't apply, and clearly the CIA is not concerned about breaking French law. If your an American citizen in France, the CIA can tap your phone and read your mail all they want - no warrants needed.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

I'll paint a possible scenario for you. $14.5 trillion dollars are owed as we know our senate and congress are corrupted by lobbyists, as our President proves to be almost useless. As we go deeper into debt, our debt holders are going to want their money because we're all in one big symbiotic economy that's taking a giant shit right now.

This will cause a rise in taxes, especially State taxes due to lack of Federal funding, like what Greece is going through right now. More homes or property will be foreclosed on as the weak hope things get better as the true American wake up and finally see it's all corruption and lies and go proactive.

There will be mass protest in the streets as the cops beat the shit out of us and arrest us for exercising our rights to a deaf court/prisons system not wanting to lose their funding/jobs as they increase jail time/fines causing more unemployment and property liquidation.

True core Americans will have enough and raise up, and at that very moment, you've just been branded a "terrorist" and legally allowed to be killed regardless if you're a citizen or not.

Yes, if you rise up against the government you are branded a terrorist. But here in the United States, the laws will still apply and you will go to trial. If you are arrested for being a terrorist in the United States, you would still have rights. But if your arrested in a foreign country for being a terrorist, you have no rights under American law.

[Shotsie]

Looks like this was another victory for the terrorist groups.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by mayabong

At least one person gets it here.

As posted above, this guy dined at the pentagon after 911 and noone seems to really put 2 and 2 together.

2+2 = ron paul giving support to a black ops false flag operative. who is ron paul REALLY working for.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This doesn't erode my rights at all. I'll never be accused of going to a foreign country and supporting the enemy.

That statement shows you have absolutely zero understandng of your legal rights or why they are important. It is a major problem in our country that so few people understand what rights they have and why those rights matter.

The entire point of our system of justice is that nobody ever needs to fear being ACCUSED of anything... Because you have to be convicted BEFORE anything can be done to you as a punishment. You are innocently waiving your right to the most important legal protection you have and instead relying on 'not being accused.' When all it takes are accusations, you get the Salem witch trials,McCarthyism, internment camps and people using our criminal justice system to their own gain by accusing innocent people they disagree with...