I made a traffic buy

[slapass]

Having done it in forever but i needed some sales to bump some rebills. So I bought some popups on a site i used to know the owner. I bought through a big company. $1500 for the buy. Roi so far zero. I pretty much suspected I wouldn;t get anywhere near 1500 back but you used to be able to get $750 without too much work. Zero seems a bit harsh.

Welcome to 2011.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by slapass

Having done it in forever but i needed some sales to bump some rebills. So I bought some popups on a site i used to know the owner. I bought through a big company. $1500 for the buy. Roi so far zero. I pretty much suspected I wouldn;t get anywhere near 1500 back but you used to be able to get $750 without too much work. Zero seems a bit harsh.

Welcome to 2011.

$750 withou too much work? I find flaws in that statement. And pop-up ads? This IS 2011. Surfers are savvy and a pop-up ad is a joke.

You would have been better off sinking $1,500 into a well written and direct text link via any niched site for whatever category you are going after.

In other words? Just because it's a "big company" doesn't mean shit. They are overpriced in some instances in order to keep that "big company" reputation.

Research and then spend. I'd rather get 6 clicks to a great well designed/written ad per day than a bazillion popups for the same price.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Harmon

$750 withou too much work? I find flaws in that statement. And pop-up ads? This IS 2011. Surfers are savvy and a pop-up ad is a joke.

You would have been better off sinking $1,500 into a well written and direct text link via any niched site for whatever category you are going after.

In other words? Just because it's a "big company" doesn't mean shit. They are overpriced in some instances in order to keep that "big company" reputation.

Research and then spend. I'd rather get 6 clicks to a great well designed/written ad per day than a bazillion popups for the same price.

+1 on this, the only traffic I will buy anymore is text link traffic. At least then I know the surfer is actually looking for what I am selling, and even then it is a tough sell. Popups/popunders are only halfway decent for dating, cam, and tube sites...

[Jakez]

How many pops for $1500?

[slapass]

I have to say I agree with the pop up idea being bad. I did it because I never have and thought it would be interesting to see the result. Oops. I got thirty days of traffic. It is much smaller then i thought as far as numbers but the site is counting second hits not raw.
I did well in the last decade and don't do much of this anymore. So i didn't run it through a seperate counter or anything like that. I just needed some new sales.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by slapass

used to be able to get *** without too much work.

there's the problem.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Harmon

You would have been better off sinking $1,500 into a well written and direct text link via any niched site for whatever category you are going after.

thats a good point. if u targeted all that money at one site, why not just email that site for a hardlink? for 1500 they will probably build you a featured page.

traffic vendors are scammers and should be avoided. all of them have affiliate accounts and/or their own paysites/tubesites/etc and keep the best converting traffic for themselves. they even resell unsold inventory. traffic can be resold 10x or more. that means 10 traffic brokers tested the traffic themselves, couldnt convert it, and couldnt sell it. this has been documented on gfy several times and verified by some of the traffic brokers themselves (like Choker).

you are always far better off making direct deals with other sites. if they dont do direct deals, then they are probably scamming too.

[LeRoy]

Ouchies

Would like to know more about what you bought and what niche you worked.

If you'd like to profit from your media buys. See siggy

[DBS.US]

Anyone with any smarts has pop up blockers

[Choker]

Originally Posted by plsureking

thats a good point. if u targeted all that money at one site, why not just email that site for a hardlink? for 1500 they will probably build you a featured page.

traffic vendors are scammers and should be avoided. all of them have affiliate accounts and/or their own paysites/tubesites/etc and keep the best converting traffic for themselves. they even resell unsold inventory. traffic can be resold 10x or more. that means 10 traffic brokers tested the traffic themselves, couldnt convert it, and couldnt sell it. this has been documented on gfy several times and verified by some of the traffic brokers themselves (like Choker).

you are always far better off making direct deals with other sites. if they dont do direct deals, then they are probably scamming too.

Well for the record I said traffic is resold. This is no big deal so why make it out to be such a revelation. Simple scenario broker A has a big order doesnt have enough traffic to fill it he buys some from broker B to fill that order. I do not test traffic in my sytem and send the best to sponsors as a affiliate. I don't know of any broker that does this. I do not send any traffic to any sponsor as a affiliate other than upsells in my free dating sites and a few links on mobile sites as they are using a sponsors content so I have to send him signups as I am using his content. Other than that I do not send to sponsors as a affiliate and have not for years. I do not have the inclination or motivation to "keep the best traffic" to myself. I doubt any broker does.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by plsureking

traffic vendors are scammers and should be avoided. all of them have affiliate accounts and/or their own paysites/tubesites/etc and keep the best converting traffic for themselves. ...

by that logic every designer, hosting company, content producer etc would be a scammer as well.

Google is selling traffic. They could spend a lot of time signing up for every affiliate program out there and then show ads with their own affiliate ref codes instead of selling the traffic, right? why aren't they doing this? Because their traffic is crap? Or because they prefer to focus on something else?

Every action has an opportunity cost. People tend to focus on doing what they are best at. Designers sell designs instead of building their own network of sites, not because their designs suck, but because they are better at deigning sites than running sites. Some people sell traffic or part of their traffic because they prefer to build new sites, write new blogposts, optimize their sites,... instead of constantly evaluating new affiliate programs.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

by that logic every designer, hosting company, content producer etc would be a scammer as well.

Google is selling traffic. They could spend a lot of time signing up for every affiliate program out there and then show ads with their own affiliate ref codes instead of selling the traffic, right? why aren't they doing this? Because their traffic is crap? Or because they prefer to focus on something else?

Every action has an opportunity cost. People tend to focus on doing what they are best at. Designers sell designs instead of building their own network of sites, not because their designs suck, but because they are better at deigning sites than running sites. Some people sell traffic or part of their traffic because they prefer to build new sites, write new blogposts, optimize their sites,... instead of constantly evaluating new affiliate programs.

So using your logic, you are more or less comparing Google to an adult traffic broker?

I understand your logic though.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Choker

Well for the record I said traffic is resold. This is no big deal so why make it out to be such a revelation.

the fact that traffic is resold was verified by you. the fact that the best traffic is tested and kept by brokers is verified by others in other threads. if you dont test and keep the best traffic, thats great. but you DO resell traffic from other brokers who DO test and keep the best traffic. so you are reselling traffic that didn't convert or sell elsewhere.

this is "not a big deal" to you because you are selling the traffic. i post this warning on traffic buying threads because consumers need to know this is going on. buyer beware! if its no big deal, then why worry about it?

this OP wasted 1500 on traffic that didnt convert a single sale. this is ok to you because you dont get paid for conversions, you get paid for clicks.

and speaking of popups, you have verified to me in the past that you even sell blocked popups. ive paid for popups on Choker that never hit the surfers. you have no way to verify that a popup was blocked but you sell them anyway. so again, buyer beware.

[Dubya]

Originally Posted by slapass

Having done it in forever but i needed some sales to bump some rebills. So I bought some popups on a site i used to know the owner. I bought through a big company. $1500 for the buy. Roi so far zero. I pretty much suspected I wouldn;t get anywhere near 1500 back but you used to be able to get $750 without too much work. Zero seems a bit harsh.

Welcome to 2011.

What a stupid waste of money that was, now go sit in the stupid corner and think about what you have done.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Google is selling traffic.

google isnt a traffic broker in a bankrupt industry

i should have clarified my post to specify we were talking about ADULT traffic brokers. i didnt think i needed to, since this is an adult webmaster forum. maybe i have tunnel vision since i dont work anywhere else but adult.

adult traffic brokers buy and sell the worst kinds of traffic. if you dont understand this then you have no experience with adult traffic brokers. ever heard of a blind link?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by plsureking

and speaking of popups, you have verified to me in the past that you even sell blocked popups. ive paid for popups on Choker that never hit the surfers. you have no way to verify that a popup was blocked but you sell them anyway. so again, buyer beware.

Now your making serious accusations. You have not bought popunders from me that have never hit your page. Are you accusing me of cheating buyers? Sure as hell sounds like it to me.

I have no way to verify? If the surfer has a popunder blocker on then he never would have went thru my sytem and thus never sold to a buyer so it's a mute point, but you can't seem to wrap your head around this little fact can you? Tell me exactly how I can sell a hit from a surfer with a popunder blocker on if he never comes thru my system in the first place.

And by the way you have never bought popups from me as I don't sell them, I sell popunders, there is a HUGE difference but you don't seem to get this either do you.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

Anyone with any smarts has pop up blockers

So what? There's still a shit ton of people without them.

Adding a popup/under to a site hardly changes the stats of the traffic (from what I've seen) and I do well under 1:10,000 every period sometimes 1:5000. So why NOT use them?

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Choker

Now your making serious accusations. You have not bought popunders from me that have never hit your page. Are you accusing me of cheating buyers? Sure as hell sounds like it to me.
...
And by the way you have never bought popups from me as I don't sell them, I sell popunders, there is a HUGE difference but you don't seem to get this either do you.

correction, i bought popunders that never hit my client's page.

Originally Posted by Choker

I have no way to verify? If the surfer has a popunder blocker on then he never would have went thru my sytem and thus never sold to a buyer so it's a mute point, but you can't seem to wrap your head around this little fact can you? Tell me exactly how I can sell a hit from a surfer with a popunder blocker on if he never comes thru my system in the first place.

what am i supposed to wrap my head around and get over? the facts won't change with time. you can be condescending and try to talk down to me. it doesn't hurt my feelings. this is just business and i am stating facts, verified by you in your support ticket system. let's read:

marketmofo 2010-11-15 20:53:37 maybe a dumb question, but are we charged for popunders that get blocked by the browser? seems like the system would count it as sent because its blocked at the browser level. none of the sites in the popunder category showed popunders in my browser because pops are blocked.

Choker 2010-11-15 23:57:50 Yes you are, there is no way for me to know if a surfer has a popunder blocker on or not, if you are concerned about athat buy the niche feeder its the same price and skimmed not popunders

so, how would you translate that?

i have never told people not to buy traffic from Choker, but i will continue to tell them what kind of traffic they are buying. wrap your head around that. oooh burn.

[seeandsee]

try TRAFFICSHOP POPUNDERS, you will be impressed!

[Choker]

Originally Posted by plsureking

marketmofo 2010-11-15 20:53:37 maybe a dumb question, but are we charged for popunders that get blocked by the browser? seems like the system would count it as sent because its blocked at the browser level. none of the sites in the popunder category showed popunders in my browser because pops are blocked.

Choker 2010-11-15 23:57:50 Yes you are, there is no way for me to know if a surfer has a popunder blocker on or not, if you are concerned about athat buy the niche feeder its the same price and skimmed not popunders

rn.

Yeah I remember this conversation and my reply to you was WRONG. MY ANSWER TO YOU AT THAT TIME WAS WRONG AND I APOLIGIZE. At that time I was selling a few popunder spots on a per month basis so I may have thought you were refering to those. If you were paying a flat rate for a popunder spot then yes you were paying the same if the surfers had popunder blockers on or not. Don't know if I was having a brainfart, misunderstood your question, or simply replied to your question without reading it carefully. I admit this is a very bad habit I have. I am human and do make mistakes. A surfer who's browser blocks popunders doesn't go thru my system therefore you can't pay for it as it never went thru my system. This is the correct answer then and it's the correct answer now.

This is the last time I'm gonna say this to you. You DID NOT pay for popunders you did not recieve.

As far as being condescending well look at your accusations here against me and indeed anyone who sells traffic. Because you can't convert traffic you think it's shit. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of hits a day are sold on the web and enough make a profit off it it to continue. Popunders? OMFG, as soon as I get some they are sold, I cannot even supply 1/10th the demand that buyers have for these.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Choker

Yeah I remember this conversation and my reply to you was WRONG. MY ANSWER TO YOU AT THAT TIME WAS WRONG AND I APOLIGIZE. At that time I was selling a few popunder spots on a per month basis so I may have thought you were refering to those. If you were paying a flat rate for a popunder spot then yes you were paying the same if the surfers had popunder blockers on or not. Don't know if I was having a brainfart, misunderstood your question, or simply replied to your question without reading it carefully. I admit this is a very bad habit I have. I am human and do make mistakes. A surfer who's browser blocks popunders doesn't go thru my system therefore you can't pay for it as it never went thru my system. This is the correct answer then and it's the correct answer now.

This is the last time I'm gonna say this to you. You DID NOT pay for popunders you did not recieve.

As far as being condescending well look at your accusations here against me and indeed anyone who sells traffic. Because you can't convert traffic you think it's shit. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of hits a day are sold on the web and enough make a profit off it it to continue. Popunders? OMFG, as soon as I get some they are sold, I cannot even supply 1/10th the demand that buyers have for these.

Is this your first time apologizing to him for you being "WRONG"? If so, why would you expect him to not relay information as true that you, yourself provided to him as being a factual determination of how your traffic system works? According to the information he had at hand (up until now), he was correct.

[ilnjscb]

Everyone says for a membership site you get maybe 1:6000 on this kind of traffic (the premium US kind). You'd need to see 1m hits tested to verify this, and I don't see anyone willing to do that. If someone would post stats, from the same site, on 50k text link vs. 1m premium US popunder: cost, convert ratio, retention after 3 mos, etc, we'd be able to settle this question.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Is this your first time apologizing to him for you being "WRONG"? If so, why would you expect him to not relay information as true that you, yourself provided to him as being a factual determination of how your traffic system works? According to the information he had at hand (up until now), he was correct.

Yes it is. Even though this conversation was a year ago I remember it because after this message I asked my coder about it and he said that they way the code is wrote buyers are only charged if the surfer hits the buyers page. I just looked in ICQ history with my coder and found this. This was back when i had first started selling popunders and I'm pretty sure until my coder corrected me I may have thought that yes they were getting charged for blocked hits. I should have emailed this guy back to correct myself but I didn't. For this I apoligize.

In either case making a broad statement that every traffic broker is a scammer is just stupid. The deman for traffic is higher now than it has ever been. The main problem now is a lack of supply of good quality traffic to sell. I will tell you this, repeat buyers, the guys who buy tens of thousands of dollars worth a month and renew every month for years and years are NOT buying to porn paysites.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Everyone says for a membership site you get maybe 1:6000 on this kind of traffic (the premium US kind). You'd need to see 1m hits tested to verify this, and I don't see anyone willing to do that. If someone would post stats, from the same site, on 50k text link vs. 1m premium US popunder: cost, convert ratio, retention after 3 mos, etc, we'd be able to settle this question.

For a dating or cam site yeah, for a porn paysite, forget it. Popunders do not work on porn paysites unless it has something going on thats very rare or VERY targetted, ie granny popunders from a tube sites granny page going to a granny paysite, that has a small chance of success. Something you can't find much for free on tube sites.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Is this your first time apologizing to him for you being "WRONG"? If so, why would you expect him to not relay information as true that you, yourself provided to him as being a factual determination of how your traffic system works? According to the information he had at hand (up until now), he was correct.

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by Choker

Yes it is. Even though this conversation was a year ago I remember it because after this message I asked my coder about it and he said that they way the code is wrote buyers are only charged if the surfer hits the buyers page. I just looked in ICQ history with my coder and found this. This was back when i had first started selling popunders and I'm pretty sure until my coder corrected me I may have thought that yes they were getting charged for blocked hits. I should have emailed this guy back to correct myself but I didn't. For this I apoligize.

In either case making a broad statement that every traffic broker is a scammer is just stupid. The deman for traffic is higher now than it has ever been. The main problem now is a lack of supply of good quality traffic to sell. I will tell you this, repeat buyers, the guys who buy tens of thousands of dollars worth a month and renew every month for years and years are NOT buying to porn paysites.

Sorry to butt into this conversation but I was wondering if you could answer a quick question for me Choker. I've never bought traffic before and I was wondering If I were to buy traffic to send to some of my blogs, would that actually have a chance to make me sales? Or is bought traffic mainly just good for feeder traffic to send to TGPs and tubes to help start up trades. Also, could I send bought traffic straight to a sponsors website with my affiliate code? Thanks!

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Choker

For a dating or cam site yeah, for a porn paysite, forget it. Popunders do not work on porn paysites unless it has something going on thats very rare or VERY targetted, ie granny popunders from a tube sites granny page going to a granny paysite, that has a small chance of success. Something you can't find much for free on tube sites.

So if you had to put an of the cuff figure on it for popunder to paysite, what would you say? 1:20,000? 1:50,000?

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by anexsia

Sorry to butt into this conversation but I was wondering if you could answer a quick question for me Choker. I've never bought traffic before and I was wondering If I were to buy traffic to send to some of my blogs, would that actually have a chance to make me sales? Or is bought traffic mainly just good for feeder traffic to send to TGPs and tubes to help start up trades. Also, could I send bought traffic straight to a sponsors website with my affiliate code? Thanks!

No one can answer that without testing it.

How to make bought traffic work:

1. Buy traffic and plan on losing money the first or second time around - buy until you make some sales whether you lost money or not, and try a bunch of different things (redirects, change tours, etc, be creative, use your brain) and then study the living shit out of the stats from every angle.
2. Figure out how exactly the sales were made. Did they come from specific site(s)?
3. Figure out how to setup the traffic buy so that you are hitting the sale mark more often than not. Such as blocking non-converting sites.
4. Profit!!

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Jakez

No one can answer that without testing it.

How to make bought traffic work:

1. Buy traffic and plan on losing money the first or second time around - buy until you make some sales whether you lost money or not, and try a bunch of different things (redirects, change tours, etc, be creative, use your brain) and then study the living shit out of the stats from every angle.
2. Figure out how exactly the sales were made. Did they come from specific site(s)?
3. Figure out how to setup the traffic buy so that you are hitting the sale mark more often than not. Such as blocking non-converting sites.
4. Profit!!

You are 100% correct. People are too much into conversion ratios. They are meaningless in most circumstances. Prime example, recently a dating site purchased 1 million popunders from me. The total cost was $1111.00 That's all. $1.11 per k. The dating site owner put $100 as the value of each paid upgrade. So simple math was that he needed 12 paid upgrades from this buy to make a profit right? So the ratio he needed was 1:83333. make a post here on GFY saying your ratio is 1:83333 without all the details and see what people say. LOL. Anyway the dating site ended up getting 16 paid upgrades worth $1600 at a cost of $1111. He said the ratios are too bad and did not want to renew because of the ratios. I was like WTF, but ok, I deal with people like this all the time, that are so stuck on conversion ratios that they can't see the profit they just made.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Dubya

What a stupid waste of money that was, now go sit in the stupid corner and think about what you have done.

What is interesting as I have bought 10's of thousands of dollars of traffic with this person before and never done anywhere near this poorly. Obviously.

Correction - I bought popunders. And I sent them to a cam site. To a link that was recommended by the cam site. Anyways interesting to see the change a few years has made.

[fris]

$1500 is too much to spend if you arent going to make x3 back

[porno jew]

pop traffic from shitty skim tubes is garbage.

[PornStarToys]

Originally Posted by fris

$1500 is too much to spend if you arent going to make x3 back

So if you found something that you could dump 1,500 into and get a $3,500 back you wouldn't do it?

If you know if things that give you a x1.1 to 2.9 return I'll gladly accept any knowledge

[epitome]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

try TRAFFICSHOP POPUNDERS, you will be impressed!

I bought from Traffic Shop a few times to a 100% free tube with full length licensed videos ... so it looked like every other tube giving away free videos and not just promo vids.

Bounce on regular traffic is less than 30%, page views are over 5 on average and time on site is 4+ minutes.

The Traffic Shop traffic which I tracked through a analytics campaign URL had a bounce greater than 95%. Horrible. A grand or two down the drain.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Choker

You are 100% correct. People are too much into conversion ratios. They are meaningless in most circumstances. Prime example, recently a dating site purchased 1 million popunders from me. The total cost was $1111.00 That's all. $1.11 per k. The dating site owner put $100 as the value of each paid upgrade. So simple math was that he needed 12 paid upgrades from this buy to make a profit right? So the ratio he needed was 1:83333. make a post here on GFY saying your ratio is 1:83333 without all the details and see what people say. LOL. Anyway the dating site ended up getting 16 paid upgrades worth $1600 at a cost of $1111. He said the ratios are too bad and did not want to renew because of the ratios. I was like WTF, but ok, I deal with people like this all the time, that are so stuck on conversion ratios that they can't see the profit they just made.

Now I understand why you say they are no good for membership, because even at 1:10,000 it just isn't worth it.

[HomerSimpson]

you should spend those 1.5k on banner ads on targeted sites...
buying popups and thinking of making any sales is equal to burning money...

[rowan]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Now I understand why you say they are no good for membership, because even at 1:10,000 it just isn't worth it.

You've missed his point entirely. The buyer made a profit, that's the bit that matters.

[PornStarToys]

Originally Posted by epitome

I bought from Traffic Shop a few times to a 100% free tube with full length licensed videos ... so it looked like every other tube giving away free videos and not just promo vids.

Bounce on regular traffic is less than 30%, page views are over 5 on average and time on site is 4+ minutes.

The Traffic Shop traffic which I tracked through a analytics campaign URL had a bounce greater than 95%. Horrible. A grand or two down the drain.

You cant really compare regular traffic to bought traffic, but if you're buying traffic I'd go with Choker. The traffic I bought from him was in the 80s bounce rate, I tried Traffic Holder and got a 99.5% bounce rate which, as far as I'm concerned, is a complete scam.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by rowan

You've missed his point entirely. The buyer made a profit, that's the bit that matters.

Right, but that was for a cam site. He himself said it wasn't good for membership sites, as no membership site could make a profit from that ratio.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by PornStarToys

You cant really compare regular traffic to bought traffic, but if you're buying traffic I'd go with Choker. The traffic I bought from him was in the 80s bounce rate, I tried Traffic Holder and got a 99.5% bounce rate which, as far as I'm concerned, is a complete scam.

That can be fine tuned a lot. A couple tube sites are getting less than 60% bounce and over 3 minutes TOS from my $5 good traffic.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Right, but that was for a cam site. He himself said it wasn't good for membership sites, as no membership site could make a profit from that ratio.

No that's a dating site, but cam sites do just as good if not better with popunders. The only porn paysites I recomend to buy popunders are some ex-gf type sites. It just depends on the site.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Choker

That can be fine tuned a lot. A couple tube sites are getting less than 60% bounce and over 3 minutes TOS from my $5 good traffic.

Good to know.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by PornStarToys

You cant really compare regular traffic to bought traffic, but if you're buying traffic I'd go with Choker. The traffic I bought from him was in the 80s bounce rate, I tried Traffic Holder and got a 99.5% bounce rate which, as far as I'm concerned, is a complete scam.

I was more showing how it isn't a shit site and it gives everybody what they want -- unlimited free shit -- and TS traffic still performed horribly.

[Diomed]

If your buying popup/popunder traffic you need a highly specific landing page that is clever enough to pick off atleast 1 in 20 visitors, thus it needs to appeal to a broad demographic.

I ultra tweak all of my landing pages for general skimmed traffic, they must offer something different and unique, and the design has to be perfect.

[marlboroack]

Where did you get 1,500$?