What Occupy Wall Street Wants

[Lucy - CSC]

I personally think this is a beautifull message.




A revolution is coming to America.. Not Just America but the World, people are waking up and finally realising how the world works and that their rights as free human beings are slowly being taken away from them..
The 99% are rising up!

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As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose
sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon
corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and
those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the
people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the
Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic
power.

We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest
over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled
here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system
through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement,and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay andsafer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens
of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers'healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achievethe same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity.They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people's lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. To the people of the world, we, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy,we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.
Join us and make your voices heard!

The statement issued from Zuccotti Park, by the general assembly, at Occupy Wall Street.

[Redrob]

Just remember the Robber Barons of the 19th Century and what it took to free ourselves of their strangling grip on our economy.

We are again in the grip of modern day Robber Barons. Hope for the best; but, prepare for the worse.

[pornmasta]

[Caligari]

Reading that you start realizing just how many things are completely screwed up.
You could isolate Monsanto as one mega-agribiz which is obliterating large parts of the planet and has control of roughly 2/3's of the world's food supply etc...

point being is that alot of people (myself included) have been saying the ows movement needs to have a few simple demands that everyone can get behind, but the problem is there are so many critical problems paring down a list is difficult.

The one thing they need to drop is the anti-capitalist stance.
The problem is not capitalism, it's corrupt corporatism.
We are subject to a corporatocracy which is above the law, or which has become the law.

[bronco67]

When they keep saying "they did this" and "they did that"...

It's all pretty much true. You could definitely call the Wall Street crew robber barons -- and the government is responsible for not only giving them their power, but their impunity also.

The financial business is inherently a criminal enterprise.

[cykoe6]

If the revolution does come then all of these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood. That is certainly a nice thought.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

If the revolution does come then all of these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood. That is certainly a nice thought.

When it comes down to 99% vs 1% guess who wins.

Besides, you are part of the 99% anyway, so your position is not sensible to begin with...

[Jakez]

The only ones who can really do anything are the ones who don't care.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

When it comes down to 99% vs 1% guess who wins.

History has shown us that nobody wins but millions die in the process. The last time revolutions swept the globe more than 100 million died...... who knows this time...... maybe 200 million? Something to look forward to no doubt.


I take comfort however in knowing that the revolution always eats its own...... thus my comment that these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood...... just like the ones who came before them.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

History has shown us that nobody wins but millions die in the process. The last time revolutions swept the globe more than 100 million died...... who knows this time...... maybe 200 million? Something to look forward to no doubt.

I take comfort however in knowing that the revolution always eats its own...... thus my comment that these useful idiots will drown in the rivers of blood...... just like the ones who came before them.

I think the planet's human population is about to hit 7 billion.

200 million is just a drop in the bucket.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I think the planet's human population is about to hit 7 billion.

200 million is just a drop in the bucket.

Spoken like true Marxist. That is probably the first honest post you have ever made on this board. History has shown us that Marxist collectivist fantasies always end in mass slaughter. At least you are now embracing what you are and what your goals are instead of hiding behind a mask of moderation and civility.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Spoken like true Marxist. That is probably the first honest post you have ever made on this board. History has shown us that Marxist collectivist fantasies always end in mass slaughter. At least you are now embracing what you are and what your goals are instead of hiding behind a mask of moderation and civility.

Yup, you figured me out. I'm obviously a secret marxist, bent on the destruction of the human race.

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids

[epitome]

The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Spoken like true Marxist. That is probably the first honest post you have ever made on this board. History has shown us that Marxist collectivist fantasies always end in mass slaughter. At least you are now embracing what you are and what your goals are instead of hiding behind a mask of moderation and civility.

Agreed

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by epitome

The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

Agreed

[Anthony]

Is that thing still going on? I stopped paying attention to it when the Luke Skywalker parody picture started making it's rounds on facebook.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Is that thing still going on? I stopped paying attention to it when the Luke Skywalker parody picture started making it's rounds on facebook.

I pray for the day when an internet meme can stop me from paying attention.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

I personally think this is a beautifull message.

You realize that's propaganda right? Omg, I bet people hear that stuff and believe every word of it. It's scary what can happen when people who are not properly educated or knowledgeable in political ideologies form an opinion and act on it. For all those who think the 99% is the new super class and that the 1% should be punished or destroyed along with capitalism, please read "The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx, and realize how un-American your ideals are.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by epitome

I pray for the day when an internet meme can stop me from paying attention.

The OWS movement has become a joke, and will be remembered as a time Americans listened to Canadians and got nothing done.

Here's your average "Protestor(s)".
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da1_1318884920

Trust me, an Internet Meme is more than enough for me to blow off the idiots at OWS.

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by Anthony

The OWS movement has become a joke, and will be remembered as a time Americans listened to Canadians and got nothing done.

Let me see if I have this right.
The protesters are protesting against Wall Street corporations?
The same Wall Street corporations that manufacture the IPhone/IPad, they are using to get the word out with?. On a wireless network that is owned by a Wall Street company?. To a social network sites owned by a multimillionaires?.

And how exactly do these protesters get around?.
In cars/buses built by Wall Street corporations, with fuel from other Wall Street corporations???

I'm confused...

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by epitome

The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

quoted for ultimate truth

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

Let me see if I have this right.
The protesters are protesting against Wall Street corporations?
The same Wall Street corporations that manufacture the IPhone/IPad, they are using to get the word out with?. On a wireless network that is owned by a Wall Street company?. To a social network sites owned by a multimillionaires?.

And how exactly do these protesters get around?.
In cars/buses built by Wall Street corporations, with fuel from other Wall Street corporations???

I'm confused...

Since when does anyone on Wall Street make anything?

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Since when does anyone on Wall Street make anything?

You know what I mean

[Internet Guy]

And we're off..

I swear GFY has some government trolls posting in any politics/revolution threads.

[matuloo]

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

You know what I mean

Problem is that you didnt get the whole point. Ive seen this apple/iphone argument so many times ... yet its totally retarded to the bone. Who says these guys protest against manufacturing of things or their usage? So a protester should come to the place on a horse, dressed up in self made clothes, eating self made bread and drink rain water?

This is not what its about, they protest against the flawed system, society ran by debt, total power of money and putting income over the value of life. Nobody wants to stop production of things - but why should a device made in china for $10 sell for $500 in the retail in the USA, cause it has to fill the pockets of 100 idiots in the process, who do nothing but try to look clever and smart.

The whole economic setup is bad right now, everybody is in debt, countries operating only at 3% yearly debt are considered well behaving countries, banks do bad investments and they get bailed out by taxpayers money ... this is the things they protest against. Nobody wants to wipe out technology or progress.

[teomaxxx]

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

And how exactly do these protesters get around?.
In cars/buses built by Wall Street corporations, with fuel from other Wall Street corporations???

I'm confused...

Ha, ha, ha, thats so stupid....
Wallstreet ultimate factory of the world
Of course, wallstreet banks own some of the companies or fund operations of some companies, but you take it like without wallstreet there wouldnt be no economy


I dont have any problem with wallstreet except they should went BK in 2008-9.There wouldnt be any OWS movement today.
Good article what should be done in 2008-9:
http://pragcap.com/whats-wrong-with-a-swedish-model

[Anthony]

OWS looks to be running out of thing to protest about. Now OWS is protesting the Stop and Frisk lay of the NYPD. What a fucking joke.

From their own site where OWS was proud to post it.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Reading that you start realizing just how many things are completely screwed up.
You could isolate Monsanto as one mega-agribiz which is obliterating large parts of the planet and has control of roughly 2/3's of the world's food supply etc...

point being is that alot of people (myself included) have been saying the ows movement needs to have a few simple demands that everyone can get behind, but the problem is there are so many critical problems paring down a list is difficult.

The one thing they need to drop is the anti-capitalist stance.
The problem is not capitalism, it's corrupt corporatism.
We are subject to a corporatocracy which is above the law, or which has become the law.

Well said, there was an artical on mises.org which is analysing the movement, in reality this organization is lacking in so many ways, .

[Paul Markham]

The West has little left to sell to the developing nations and what they have is probably shrinking. One sector the West does have and it makes trillions. Is the financial Sector.

Piss them off to the extent they move to more friendly places and lose the trillions they make. That's the real world folks. not the one the OWS visit enough. They are probably only able to occupy Wall Street, because they have Wall Street financing them.

Control and limits are good. But if the US made producing online porn very hard, what would happen to the US online porn business?

Move or whither.

[teomaxxx]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The West has little left to sell to the developing nations and what they have is probably shrinking. One sector the West does have and it makes trillions. Is the financial Sector.

Piss them off to the extent they move to more friendly places and lose the trillions they make. That's the real world folks. not the one the OWS visit enough.

and win trilions you will otherwise need to bail them out when next bubble burst.
I can see Wallstreet moving to China or some other third world shithole soon . Wallstreet is where it is, because its backed by the biggest world economy and by the country who attract biggest pie of the capital in the world every year
Not the other way...

[12clicks]

it will be cold soon.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Anthony

The OWS movement has become a joke, and will be remembered as a time Americans listened to Canadians and got nothing done.

Here's your average "Protestor(s)".
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da1_1318884920

Trust me, an Internet Meme is more than enough for me to blow off the idiots at OWS.

Yes, because it's the canadians fault that your country has idiots parading in your streets with no common focus... it's a well known fact that the average american looks to canada for its advice on ethics and economy...

[CaptainHowdy]

I share their dream of not having to work ...

[Minte]

I was there Friday.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1042882

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by teomaxxx

Ha, ha, ha, thats so stupid....
Wallstreet ultimate factory of the world
Of course, wallstreet banks own some of the companies or fund operations of some companies, but you take it like without wallstreet there wouldnt be no economy


I dont have any problem with wallstreet except they should went BK in 2008-9.There wouldnt be any OWS movement today.
Good article what should be done in 2008-9:
http://pragcap.com/whats-wrong-with-a-swedish-model

Here's what Wall Street does:

1. Find people with money (usually people that actually make a product or useful service)

2. Leech

[Sly]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Here's what Wall Street does:

1. Find people with money (usually people that actually make a product or useful service)

2. Leech

That argument could be made for any manager, broker, government official, and investor in existence.

Explain the differences.

[Lucy - CSC]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The West has little left to sell to the developing nations and what they have is probably shrinking. One sector the West does have and it makes trillions. Is the financial Sector.

Piss them off to the extent they move to more friendly places and lose the trillions they make. That's the real world folks. not the one the OWS visit enough. They are probably only able to occupy Wall Street, because they have Wall Street financing them.

Control and limits are good. But if the US made producing online porn very hard, what would happen to the US online porn business?

Move or whither.

The main reason countries like America and Great Brtain dont produce anything is also down to the banks. In the 70s 95% of money invested in banks was invested back into the local community with 5% going on the roulette table that is the stock exchange. Now the figure has flipped around the other way with only 5% being there for small businesses etc which has crippled their ability to trade. What really needs to be established from this is a new Building Society/Bank which is owned by the people and invests in the people.

The people on Wall Street and all these financial sectors pay fuck all tax and their actions damage the economy. In all it costs to have them there so good ridance I say.

[woj]

Originally Posted by epitome

The reality is that the wealth of this country was built by those who made things.

The wealth was stolen by those who make nothing; the financial services industry.

You can get richer by making more things. You can only shave a dollar so many times before it's nothing. At some point the game is over.

When financial services companies, companies that do nothing except move money around, make more than companies that actually produce anything, we have a MAJOR problem.

Enter Occupy Wall Street.

Claiming that financial industry creates nothing is like saying doctors or accountants create nothing, and are thus useless...

You guys should read up on how exactly financial industry works, what it does, etc, instead of listening to all the propaganda that you hear in the media....

[Sly]

Originally Posted by woj

Claiming that financial industry creates nothing is like saying doctors or accountants create nothing, and are thus useless...

You guys should read up on how exactly financial industry works, what it does, etc, instead of listening to all the propaganda that you hear in the media....

There are people that claim programmers make nothing, webmasters make nothing, web developers make nothing, etc.

Waiters make nothing. Literally. They don't make shit.

The guy at the grocery store that rings me up. He doesn't make anything either.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

The main reason countries like America and Great Brtain dont produce anything is also down to the banks. In the 70s 95% of money invested in banks was invested back into the local community with 5% going on the roulette table that is the stock exchange. Now the figure has flipped around the other way with only 5% being there for small businesses etc which has crippled their ability to trade. What really needs to be established from this is a new Building Society/Bank which is owned by the people and invests in the people.

The people on Wall Street and all these financial sectors pay fuck all tax and their actions damage the economy. In all it costs to have them there so good ridance I say.

We don't produce stuff anymore because we are not in the 'industrial age' anymore...train has left the station and is not ever coming back.... the sooner the people grasp this fact, the better...

[Lucy - CSC]

Originally Posted by woj

We don't produce stuff anymore because we are not in the 'industrial age' anymore...train has left the station and is not ever coming back.... the sooner the people grasp this fact, the better...

You are actually wrong. Untill recently America was the 3rd biggest manufacturer in the world. Their is no money in the banks for small and medium sized businesses to grow.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by woj

Claiming that financial industry creates nothing is like saying doctors or accountants create nothing, and are thus useless...

You guys should read up on how exactly financial industry works, what it does, etc, instead of listening to all the propaganda that you hear in the media....

something has to change in regard to how the stock market operates. of course i'm just your average dummy but it seems to me an impossiblity that stocks will always go up. companies will cut job, cut costs, etc trying to keep their stocks up but it impossible in the long run. even just rumors end up costing companies and the economy billions and even trillions of dollars. not to mention all the fraud and those hedging their bets and making money when the economy fails. it just doesn't seem right. its basically educated gambling. of course many of these investments enable people to retire, have benefits and many other great things but the way the system seems to be set up, someone else has to suffer for another to profit. edit: you can't forget about corporate welfare either, which is getting very out of hand very quickly. just a dip and now bailouts are needed? whats it all coming to..

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Yes, because it's the canadians fault that your country has idiots parading in your streets with no common focus... it's a well known fact that the average american looks to canada for its advice on ethics and economy...

You really don't have a clue how this whole thing started, do you?

[Lucy - CSC]

Originally Posted by Sly

There are people that claim programmers make nothing, webmasters make nothing, web developers make nothing, etc.

Waiters make nothing. Literally. They don't make shit.

The guy at the grocery store that rings me up. He doesn't make anything either.

If you look at the cost of having Wall Street there it is actually now in the negative by quite a few trillion of dollars.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

You are actually wrong. Untill recently America was the 3rd biggest manufacturer in the world. Their is no money in the banks for small and medium sized businesses to grow.

keyword is "was", it makes no sense at all to produce something locally, when you can produce same product for fraction of the cost elsewhere...

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by woj

We don't produce stuff anymore because we are not in the 'industrial age' anymore...train has left the station and is not ever coming back.... the sooner the people grasp this fact, the better...

spoken like a real new age tool.

fact check buddy, we are and will forever be in the "industrial age" because now and forever, as long as people have physical bodies, we will need food, housing, clothes etc.,
and if you think that by removing those things to have "3rd world countries" do it for you because you're above that, you need to check yourself.

and btw, trading money to make money doesnt do shit for anyone except to create a world of misery to those very lives you are speculating against.

[Lucy - CSC]

Originally Posted by woj

keyword is "was", it makes no sense at all to produce something locally, when you can produce same product for fraction of the cost elsewhere...

It can be produced locally like food can be grown locally cost effectivily. We are not talking cheap shit sold in super markets but high end stuff. The main problem was what I outlined that the money was not there for credit lines etc to finance it and that is why it is moving abroad.

[Rochard]

The 99% is what caused this problem, not the 1%. If you bought or sold a house in the past ten years, you are guilty. I owned a house for four years and sold it for twice what I paid for it. I am guilty.

[Anthony]

What happens when you have a mob without any clear cut goals for an endgame? People start to NOT give a fuck.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=occup...e=mt d&sort=0

[The Heron]

Seriously get a clue, you change the way things work with regulation or revolution and with 7 billion people on the planet, nobody is going to be happy for very long. "coporate greed" is the thing that makes stocks go up, if you don't think you want stocks going up you are an idiot or have piles of money buried in the backyard, also making you an idiot.