What the hell is going on in Oakland & who is really funding OWS?

[Caligari]

Let's start with this quote from another thread-

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's funded by Rockefeller's UN, keep well clear, it's controlled by the Elite and will be used to play out an agenda; just as Brzezinski's Al Qaeda was used in Libya

Sound crazy? Is it delusional?

Now look at this-
Protesters Set Up Fence Outside Oakland Port


What kind of protest group has funds to set up huge fences to disrupt a shipping port?

Who is backing OWS?

or

How many factions of OWS exist? Regular protesters, disruptors/infiltrators, organized groups with their own agendas?

[Fletch XXX]

probably michael moore, that mother fucker ;)

[Sly]

Clearly an elaborate plot by the Koch clan.

[halfpint]

The whole OWS is being funded by people donating $$ and other equipment

[Caligari]

yes yes with the jokes, but any real ideas where this $ is coming from?
I will tell you one thing, it's not coming from a protesters passing around the hat...

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by halfpint

The whole OWS is being funded by people donating $$ and other equipment

but this is an entirely new dimension. I know they've raised alot of money in NY for food, supplies etc, but when you can march into a shipping port and erect a huge fence/barricade this is another animal altogether...

Someone is slipping some mega bucks into this OWS faction and it this could be a splinter group created to cause a whole lot of shit.

Think about it, several thousand protesters shut down a shipping port to "stop the flow of capital." What the fuck is that? So you disrupt an operation for a day which achieves very little, solves no problem and addresses no issues.

The idea is to affect long term changes, not "hey look we can do this"

And if you think it is addressing a specific issue please lmk what it is.

[cherrylula]

You think a fence is mega bucks? lol

it was probably donated.

[PR_Glen]

i'm so money i shell out fences... buhleedat!

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

You think a fence is mega bucks? lol

it was probably donated.

For protesters yes. Are you kidding me? So someone bought t several hundred feet of fencing, trucked it into the site and people set it up. For a blockade of the port. Planned in advance.

I'd call that way more than any protesting event i've ever seen.

That is $ behind a faction of this movement that is not of the original movement.

[Shotsie]

There's not one worker in any shipping port in America that doesn't belong to the I.L.A(International Longshoreman's Association) or one of it's affiliate unions. Just a thought, but it would be a great way to get a point across without actually having to get your hands dirty.


From the I.L.A's website:

"Washington bailed out the banks and Wall Street, but our current Congress balks at passing a jobs bill and is totally out of touch with Blue-collared America," said the ILA leader. "In places like Wisconsin and Ohio, those State's lawmakers are stripping police, firemen, teachers and janitors of their benefits and pensions. Like AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said last week: 'Occupy Wall Street has captured the imagination and passion of millions of Americans who have lost hope that our nation's policymakers are not speaking for them'."

http://www.ilaunion.org/news_occupy_wall_street.html


What this right here says to Washington is this: It's us, the workers, that keep the wheels of the economy turning. Not the Gordon Gekko wannabe cocksuckers on Wallstreet and not the money grubbing banks. So think carefully before hanging us out to dry again like Obama did with the teacher's in Wisconsin.

[PornMD]

Funded by the Paper Street Soap Company.

[porno jew]

a union? a local business? you are making yourself sound like a fucktard here.

[moeloubani]

and where do they all get the food to feed themselves? someone must be paying for that too

and what about those clothes? those didnt just come out of thin air, someone is paying for them! i wonder who?

[porno jew]

http://www.insidebayarea.com/occupy-oakland/ci_19247017

looks like fences meant top be used against them were appropriated by the protesters.

http://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/cult...e-good-de-pic/

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by Caligari

but this is an entirely new dimension. I know they've raised alot of money in NY for food, supplies etc, but when you can march into a shipping port and erect a huge fence/barricade this is another animal altogether...

Someone is slipping some mega bucks into this OWS faction and it this could be a splinter group created to cause a whole lot of shit.

next time you're thinking of having a fence built, hit me up.
i could use some megabucks.

[D Ghost]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me...

I'm sure there were fences in the area they used. Pretty sure they didnt buy and ship fencing in to do that ROFL...

[cherrylula]

lol there you go, they stole it. No super forces are funding anything lol

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

This story first appeared on the TomDispatch website:

What if rising sea levels are yet another measure of inequality? What if the degradation of our planet's life-support systems?its atmosphere, oceans, and biosphere?goes hand in hand with the accumulation of wealth, power, and control by that corrupt and greedy 1 percent we are hearing about from Zuccotti Park? What if the assault on America's middle class and the assault on the environment are one and the same?

Money Rules: It's not hard for me to understand how environmental quality and economic inequality came to be joined at the hip. In all my years as a grassroots organizer dealing with the tragic impact of degraded environments on public health, it was always the same: someone got rich and someone got sick.

In the struggles that I was involved in to curb polluters and safeguard public health, those who wanted curbs, accountability, and precautions were always outspent several times over by those who wanted no restrictions on their effluents. We dug into our own pockets for postage money, they had expense accounts. We made flyers to slip under the windshield wipers of parked cars, they bought ads on television. We took time off from jobs to visit legislators, only to discover that they had gone to lunch with fulltime lobbyists.

Naturally, the barons of the chemical and nuclear industries don't live next to the radioactive or toxic-waste dumps that their corporations create; on the other hand, impoverished black and brown people often do live near such ecological sacrifice zones because they can't afford better. Similarly, the gated communities of the hyper-wealthy are not built next to cesspool rivers or skylines filled with fuming smokestacks, but the slums of the planet are.

The fact is: we won't free ourselves from a dysfunctional and unfair economic order until we begin to see ourselves as communities, not commodities. That is one clear message from Zuccotti Park.

Polluters routinely walk away from the ground they poison and expect taxpayers to clean up after them. By "externalizing" such costs, profits are increased. Examples of land abuse and abandonment are too legion to list, but most of us can refer to a familiar "superfund site" in our own backyard. Clearly, Mother Nature is among the disenfranchised, exploited, and struggling.

Democracy 101: The 99 percent pay for wealth disparity with lost jobs, foreclosed homes, weakening pensions, and slashed services, but Nature pays, too. In the world the one-percenters have created, the needs of whole ecosystems are as easy to disregard as, say, the need the young have for debt-free educations and meaningful jobs.

Extreme disparity and deep inequality generate a double standard with profound consequences. If you are a CEO who skims millions of dollars off other people's labor, it's called a "bonus." If you are a flood victim who breaks into a sporting goods store to grab a lifejacket, it's called looting. If you lose your job and fall behind on your mortgage, you get evicted. If you are a banker-broker who designed flawed mortgages that caused a million people to lose their homes, you get a second-home vacation-mansion near a golf course.

If you drag heavy fishnets across the ocean floor and pulverize an entire ecosystem, ending thousands of years of dynamic evolution and depriving future generations of a healthy ocean, it's called free enterprise. But if, like Tim DeChristopher, you disrupt an auction of public land to oil and gas companies, it's called a crime and you get two years in jail.

In campaigns to make polluting corporations accountable, my Utah neighbors and I learned this simple truth: decisions about what to allow into the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the food we eat are soon enough translated into flesh and blood, bone and nerve, and daily experience. So it's crucial that those decisions, involving environmental quality and public health, are made openly, inclusively, and accountably. That's Democracy 101.

The corporations that shred habitat and contaminate your air and water are anything but democratic. Stand in line to get your 30 seconds in front of a microphone at a public hearing about the siting of a nuclear power plant, the effluent from a factory farm, or the removal of a mountaintop and you'll get the picture quickly enough: the corporations that profit from such ecological destruction are distant, arrogant, secretive, and unresponsive. The 1 percent are willing to spend billions impeding democratic initiatives, which is why every so-called environmental issue is also about building a democratic culture.

First Kill the EPA, Then Social Security: Beyond all the rhetoric about freedom from the new stars of the Republican Party, the strategy is simple enough: obstruct and misinform, then blame the resulting dysfunction on "government." It's a great scam. Tell the voters that government doesn't work and then, when elected, prove it. And first on the list of government outfits they want to sideline or kill is the Environmental Protection Agency, so they can do away with the already flimsy wall of regulation that stands between their toxins and your bloodstream.

Poll after poll shows that citizens understand the need for environmental rules and safeguards. Mercury is never put into the bloodstreams of nursing mothers by consensus, nor are watersheds fracked until they are flammable by popular demand.

The same bottom-line quarterly-report fixation on profitability that accepts oil spills as inevitable also accepts unemployment as inevitable. Tearing apart wildlife habitat to make a profit and doing the same at a workplace are just considered the price of doing business. Clearcutting a forest and clearcutting a labor force are two sides of the same coin.

Beware of Growth: Getting the economy growing has been the refrain of the Obama administration and the justification for every bad deal, budget cut, and unbalanced compromise it's made. The desperate effort to grow the economy to solve our economic woes is what keeps Timothy Geithner at the helm of the Treasury and is what stalls the regulation of greenhouse gasses. It's why we are told we must sacrifice environmental quality for pipelines and why young men and women are sacrificed to protect access to oil, the lubricant for an acquisitive economic engine. The financial empire of the one percenters and the political order it has shaped are predicated on easy and relentless growth. How, we are asked, will there be enough for everyone if we don't keep growing?

The fundamental contradiction of our time is this: we have built an all-encompassing economic engine that requires unending growth. A contraction of even a percent or two is a crisis, and yet we are embedded in ecosystems that are reaching or have reached their limits. This isn't complicated: There's only so much fertile soil or fresh water available, only so many fish in the ocean, only so much CO2 the planet can absorb and remain habitable.

Yes, you can get around this contradiction for a while by exploiting your neighbor's habitat, using technological advances to extend your natural resources, and stealing from the future?that is, using up soil, minerals, and water your grandchildren (someday to be part of that same 99 percent) will need. But the limits to those familiar and, in the past, largely successful strategies are becoming more evident all the time.

At some point, we'll discover that you can't exist for long beyond the boundaries of the natural world, that (as with every other species) if you overload the carrying capacity of your habitat, you crash. Warming temperatures, chaotic weather patterns, extreme storms, monster wildfires, epic droughts, Biblical floods, an avalanche of species extinction? that collapse is upon us now. In the human realm, it translates into hunger and violence, mass migrations and civil strife, failed states and resource wars.

Like so much else these days, the crash, as it happens, will not be suffered in equal measure by all of us. The one percenters will be atop the hill, while the 99 percent will be in the flood lands below swimming for their lives, clinging to debris, or drowning. The Great Recession has previewed just how that will work.

An unsustainable economy is inherently unfair, and worse is to come. After all, the car is heading for the cliff's edge, the grandkids are in the backseat, and all we're arguing about is who can best put the pedal to the metal.

Occupy Earth: Give credit where it's due: it's been the genius of the protesters in Zuccotti Park to shift public discourse to whether the distribution of economic burdens and rewards is just and whether the economic system makes us whole or reduces and divides us. It's hard to imagine how we'll address our converging ecological crises without first addressing the way accumulating wealth and power has captured the political system. As long as Washington is dominated and intimidated by giant oil companies, Wall Street speculators, and corporations that can buy influence and even write the rules that make buying influence possible, there's no meaningful way to deal with our economy's addiction to fossil fuels and its dire consequences.

Degrading the planet's operating systems to bolster the bottom line is foolish and reckless. It hurts us all. No less important, it's unfair. The 1 percent profit, while the rest of us cough and cope.

After Occupy Wall Street, isn't it time for Occupy Earth?

It's time to get off the fence...

ADG

[WarChild]

You don't buy fences and truck them in. You rent them and they're delivered.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

HAHAHAHAHA so true

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Shotsie

There's not one worker in any shipping port in America that doesn't belong to the I.L.A(International Longshoreman's Association) or one of it's affiliate unions. Just a thought, but it would be a great way to get a point across without actually having to get your hands dirty.

From the I.L.A's website:

http://www.ilaunion.org/news_occupy_wall_street.html

If it was union backed or allowed they failed to tell alot of the truckers who are union or indy and were nevertheless fucked.

Fences and dumpsters dragged across the roadway at 3rd and Adeline streets are preventing trucks and other vehicles from entering the port this morning. About a dozen protesters have had some scuffles with truckers.

Monique Agnew got in front of a truck with a camper shell that was forced its way in. When it charged, she hit it with a sign she was carrying.

"These people tried to kill us. I can't believe they are being that aggressive over a paycheck, over your own people fighting for you."

What a complete fucking moron. You don't fuck with the very people you are supposedly protesting for.

Originally Posted by porno jew

http://www.insidebayarea.com/occupy-oakland/ci_19247017

looks like fences meant top be used against them were appropriated by the protesters.

http://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/cult...e-good-de-pic/

That explains that.

Regardless, OWS Oakland has made a major blunder by disrupting workers, keeping them from doing their jobs.
Also allowing the idiot "anarchists" into the mix is completely retarded.

[porno jew]

yup not stole or rented a fence, no the logical explanation is the

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

[Rochard]

OWS collected some $500k in donations...... That's a lot of money really.

[D Ghost]

OMG some people got a hold of some fences, must be a conspiracy

[wehateporn]

Either to trigger anarachy to justify martial law before WWIII or to start up a revolution where the UN can come out on top

Here's an interesting WHOIS and support from the lovely George Soros
http://lalternativaitalia.blogspot.c...ll-street.html

[cherrylula]

Yeah what next, sandwiches? Who is paying for this shit?? lol

chairs would be for sure something is up. hahaha