Republicans Flip On Government Job Creation For Defense

[BFT3K]

The same Republicans who insist that federal spending doesn't create jobs and should be cut in the face of staggering deficits are leading the charge against smaller military budgets because about a million defense jobs would be lost.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...l?ref=politics

[Matt 26z]

Generally speaking, liberals go to college and conservatives join the military. They are against slashing the military budget because it could harm one of the primary career choices of those that tend to vote Republican.

The unfortunate fact for these people is that military spending needs to be cut in at least half. Then I guess they will starve in the street since these same people are against welfare and they generally are not qualified to get jobs in the real world (thus why they joined the military in the first place).

[Rochard]

It's a rock and a hard place. On one hand we have to slash what we are spending, and on the other hand the more we slash the more jobs we kill.

I really believe that our military does so much with so little. I remember pulling duty driver for our CO and driving his jeep - which was forty years old but still looked like it was brand new. I say keep the money flowing because we are getting a great value for it.

With that said, there are other places we can cut. For the love of god I fail to understand why the Marines have MCRD San Diego. (For any Marines here, yes, I am a PI Marine.) That land has go to be worth a ton of money...

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Generally speaking, liberals go to college and conservatives join the military.

I did both. What does that make me?

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The same Republicans who insist that federal spending doesn't create jobs and should be cut in the face of staggering deficits are leading the charge against smaller military budgets because about a million defense jobs would be lost.

Story continues here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...l?ref=politics

The military is a legitimate role of government.

Paying women to have babies.. or to do nothing and drive SUVs and play with XBoxes.. is not. The level of fraud in government social programs is staggering. Faking job searches to collect unemployment is just one of the dozens of scams where the taxpayers get burned.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Nothing that these stooges say or do surprises me anymore.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I did both. What does that make me?

A Libervative

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's a rock and a hard place. On one hand we have to slash what we are spending, and on the other hand the more we slash the more jobs we kill.

I really believe that our military does so much with so little. I remember pulling duty driver for our CO and driving his jeep - which was forty years old but still looked like it was brand new. I say keep the money flowing because we are getting a great value for it.

With that said, there are other places we can cut. For the love of god I fail to understand why the Marines have MCRD San Diego. (For any Marines here, yes, I am a PI Marine.) That land has go to be worth a ton of money...



I did both. What does that make me?

I don't think there is a lot of argument for cutting money that goes to the actual military. I think it's more an argument of cutting the spending going to military/defense contractors.

I mean seriously some of the stuff we are charged for from the contractors in Iraq should be considered theft. There are documented cases of contractors destroying perfectly good vehicles in Iraq for example just because the truck might cost them 30k and they bill the govt 80k for it. Shit like that goes on and on yet nothing is done about it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The military is a legitimate role of government.

Paying women to have babies.. or to do nothing and drive SUVs and play with XBoxes.. is not. The level of fraud in government social programs is staggering. Faking job searches to collect unemployment is just one of the dozens of scams where the taxpayers get burned.

While I won't argue that there isn't fraud in social security, unemployment and welfare (I'm sure there is plenty of of it) this report seems to say that in the last 10 years military contractors have defrauded the government out of around $1.1 trillion dollars.

That is some serious money.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by kane

While I won't argue that there isn't fraud in social security, unemployment and welfare (I'm sure there is plenty of of it) this report seems to say that in the last 10 years military contractors have defrauded the government out of around $1.1 trillion dollars.

That is some serious money.

And this is the main reason it will continue to happen..

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...;storyMediaBox


As long as it's legal for lobbyist to bribe congressmen, nothing will ever change..

[Fletch XXX]

military contractors are no different than private ones, its all the same shit.

we can prolly do without a couple thousand idiots working in "the defense dept" - i see fat guys communting in their Homeland Security vehicles now too, who buys all these cars and pays the gas? oh i remember, WE THE PEOPLE lol make em drive to work in their own car.

[Sunny Day]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The military is a legitimate role of government.

Paying women to have babies.. or to do nothing and drive SUVs and play with XBoxes.. is not. The level of fraud in government social programs is staggering. Faking job searches to collect unemployment is just one of the dozens of scams where the taxpayers get burned.

Those thieving women. As opposed to I guy I know, bitches about welfare, but the Govt. pays him to raise Angora Goats, for our next Korean War.

[nation-x]

2000 - Inflation Adjusted Military Spending: $354,095,000,000
2011 - Inflation Adjusted Military Spending: $721,285,000,000

[vsex]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The military is a legitimate role of government.

Paying women to have babies.. or to do nothing and drive SUVs and play with XBoxes.. is not. The level of fraud in government social programs is staggering. Faking job searches to collect unemployment is just one of the dozens of scams where the taxpayers get burned.

Yet the over inflated military budget and losing billions of dollars (cash) that seemingly disappears into thin air is not a scam?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by vsex

Yet the over inflated military budget and losing billions of dollars (cash) that seemingly disappears into thin air is not a scam?

the amount of money wasted on having soldiers just blasting away at anything in sight would make any intelligent person shake their head. Heres a quick example that is a fraction of what is wasted these days:

"According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000.(about $23,000)"

[BFT3K]

[Robbie]

I think Ron Paul made really good points in the last big Republican debate. He got booed...but he said it right. How many times over do we really need to blow the world up? And why are we occupying over 200 countries around the world.

Also Newt Gingrich specifically said...and I quote: "I'm a hawk, but I'm a cheap hawk" During the debate he said that yes the military budget needs to be cut big time. Like with ALL govt. spending there is money being spent by the billions that does NOTHING for the "defense" of our country. And he said specifically that it needs to be cut.

Unfortunately the President doesn't decide the military budget.

As usual it's going to come from CONGRESS. And sorry BFT3K...it's going to come from BOTH sides. Just like always.
The Dems were in charge of Congress for decades and the military budget just kept going up and up and up.

Lot of money at stake. And every Congressman or Senator that has a military base or company that manufacturs for the military in their state will NEVER let the military budget get cut.
They are getting kickbacks and campaign money, etc.

Once again...if you really want to come on a message board and discuss "issues", it's important to remember that it's the CROOKS in Congress who are the problem.

The President doesn't have much to do with all the stuff that is being used (like this thread) to distract from what the crooked politicians are doing.

None of the people running for President will be able to decide the military budget. None of them will be able to tell people to believe evolution or the fairy tale bible. None of them will be able to decide the legality of Abortion or ANY law.

The Executive branch doesn't do any of that. It's the LEGISLATIVE branch full of CAREER POLITICIANS who pretty much are responsible 100% for fucking this country over and will continue to do so until we vote all of them out after one term.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think Ron Paul made really good points in the last big Republican debate. He got booed...but he said it right. How many times over do we really need to blow the world up? And why are we occupying over 200 countries around the world.

Also Newt Gingrich specifically said...and I quote: "I'm a hawk, but I'm a cheap hawk" During the debate he said that yes the military budget needs to be cut big time. Like with ALL govt. spending there is money being spent by the billions that does NOTHING for the "defense" of our country. And he said specifically that it needs to be cut.

Unfortunately the President doesn't decide the military budget.

As usual it's going to come from CONGRESS. And sorry BFT3K...it's going to come from BOTH sides. Just like always.
The Dems were in charge of Congress for decades and the military budget just kept going up and up and up.

Lot of money at stake. And every Congressman or Senator that has a military base or company that manufacturs for the military in their state will NEVER let the military budget get cut.
They are getting kickbacks and campaign money, etc.

Once again...if you really want to come on a message board and discuss "issues", it's important to remember that it's the CROOKS in Congress who are the problem.

The President doesn't have much to do with all the stuff that is being used (like this thread) to distract from what the crooked politicians are doing.

None of the people running for President will be able to decide the military budget. None of them will be able to tell people to believe evolution or the fairy tale bible. None of them will be able to decide the legality of Abortion or ANY law.

The Executive branch doesn't do any of that. It's the LEGISLATIVE branch full of CAREER POLITICIANS who pretty much are responsible 100% for fucking this country over and will continue to do so until we vote all of them out after one term.

Yup, the whole system is corrupt on both sides. The people's needs and voices are marginalized more and more every day. The elections are rigged, and you get 2 different corporate-owned whores to pick from every time.

The closest thing to an angry force pivoting against this reality is the OWS movement, but just like voting Republican doesn't benefit the majority of the people who keep doing it, bashing, distorting, and minimizing the OWS group, is equally counter-productive.

Is there some other movement out there, that is proactively attempting to defend the majority against the corrupt forces, that is in a BETTER position than the OWS movement is in right now?

The corporate-owned media hates this movement. Slowly but surely, they are systematically vilifying it via cherry-picked, and fabricated news bites, intended to pit us against each other, as their biggest fear is a united populace speaking with one voice against their oppressors.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by nation-x

2000 - Inflation Adjusted Military Spending: $354,095,000,000
2011 - Inflation Adjusted Military Spending: $721,285,000,000

curious, but what was the spending for 1943?

lol

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The closest thing to an angry force pivoting against this reality is the OWS movement, but just like voting Republican doesn't benefit the majority of the people who keep doing it, bashing, distorting, and minimizing the OWS group, is equally counter-productive.

I'm not sure that any of it is going to be "productive". Not until they are marching on Washington D.C.

In my humble opinion they are wasting time and if anything hurting the economy further at this point. Washington is where the power is and everything is happening that has an impact.

Plus the "occupy" methodology has an inherit flaw...it dilutes them (just like The Tea Party got hijacked) with crazy people they don't want or need. In the case of the "occupy" movement...they are getting homeless, criminals, hate groups, etc. that basically just go to the "occupied" zone and join in.

Makes for terrible visuals of hate filled signs that can be used against them to "minimize" them.

So I guess OWS and The Tea Party have something in common...seems like YOU posted many, many pics of the crazies who infiltrated the Tea Party and had hate filled signs didn't you?

So you pick and choose who it's cool to "minimize" based on what your political leanings are?

I happen to agree with the REAL Tea Party people that all the politicians should be voted out and the govt. role in our everyday life should be cut down and we should have a smaller federal govt.

I also agree with the REAL OWS about the bailouts (which Tea Party is against as well)

But both have been corrupted with Democrats and Republicans and all the b.s. that brings with it.

[BFT3K]

[Robbie]

I don't get the whole "corporate news" thing.

EVERY business is a corporation. I've been a corporation since the early 1990's. Does that make me "Corporate Porn"?

There never has been and never will be a news organization that isn't a corporation. Not unless they are completely retarded and have no accountants with any brains.

I'd say that a thoughtful person would instead wonder WHY the press no longer questions the government.
Isn't that what a free press does? It seems to me that the news media is CONSTANTLY attacking the corporate world in their reporting (hardly a sign of what you and many others are suggesting).

And yet...they no longer INVESTIGATE the govt. They take whatever press release from whatever current administration is in power and read it like it's fact without question.

Hell, in the Vietnam War we had reporters outing any atrocities our troops might commit. They showed BOTH sides of the war and openly questioned the validity of us being there.

And in the Iraq and Afghan wars?

The news showed a US soldier riding a horse at full gallop in the mountains of Afghanistan and bragged about how great we are. Then the reporters were "embedded" with the troops. "Embedded" = "Controlled"

That hardly smacks of evil big business controlling the media. And more like the government controlling it.
But I guess there is no convincing you that govt. is the bad guy. It's always corporations in your mind.

Meanwhile we occupy over 200 countries (you've never addressed that), the govt. regulates and runs our lives from the time we get out of bed (you've never addressed that), and everyday they spend BILLIONS of dollars with zero accountability.

I see the media reporting about "evil" companies making billions in horrible profit
Then not blink an eye talking about the govt. spending TRILLIONS of dollars and going further and further into debt.

I hope that one day our country finally stops and takes a good long look at what has been done to us and how we have become subjugated by our govt.