Occupy Portland arming themselves, building fortifications to fight tonight?

[raymor]

The Portland news station is reporting that some Occupy Portland protestors, who are being asked to clear the park tonight, are instead arming themselves and building trenches and fortifications in preparation for a battle with police. This may be about to get interesting.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Portland-police-brace-for-conflict-as-Occupy-eviction-nears-133722343.html

[Fletch XXX]

if i watched tv id watch this.

[Barry-xlovecam]

lose-lose scenario

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

I already find it all very interesting...

ADG

[TheSquealer]

Meth addicts and unwashed hippies are well known for their solid military and tactical training. I can see where this is going to get ugly for the police.

[12clicks]

Haha! I can't wait!

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Meth addicts and unwashed hippies are well known for their solid military and tactical training. I can see where this is going to get ugly for the police.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Meth addicts and unwashed hippies are well known for their solid military and tactical training. I can see where this is going to get ugly for the police.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Meth addicts and unwashed hippies are well known for their solid military and tactical training. I can see where this is going to get ugly for the police.

[Caligari]

Arm
1. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.

Arm·ing
1. To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.

"Police say Portland protesters arming for fight"
http://news.yahoo.com/police-portlan...023239672.html

"Portland police warned on Friday that anti-Wall Street protesters in the city were fashioning makeshift weapons with wood and nails, in advance of a planned move by authorities to clear their two encampments over the weekend."

Yep, those are some fierce arms they got there

Meanwhile-

In reaction to the police warning, activists involved with Occupy Portland put out their own statement denying any plans for violence.

"The Portland Police have been engaging for the last several weeks in a campaign to defame and confuse the message of our movement by attributing the actions and statements of individuals to the movement as a whole, and they continue to do so," the activists' statement said.

Occupy Portland activist Adriane, who declined to give her last name, also disputed the information from police.

"I don't know anyone that is going to engage in violent behavior," she said.

[VikingMan]

BREAKING NEWS: The last man in the USA who still has his testicles is castrated. Meanwhile in China.......
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[wehateporn]

For the Banker's to be able to attack us and impose martial law, they first need to make it seem like it's all required. That's why Soros and the NGO's and funding this shit, it's all controlled, just like the majority of similar events in history

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Arm
1. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.

Arm·ing
1. To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.

OH SHIT!!!

Wait...

What?!

Are you saying the hippies in the park have ICBMs and nuclear capability?



Sorry for thinking you were retarded in the other thread. Not sure what I could have been thinking. Clearly, your're a rational, reasonable and clear minded thinker who is incapable of anything other than well reasoned discourse as an intelligent adult.

[wehateporn]

To understand what's going on here, this is one of the most important videos on the Internet, an interview with Norman Dodd (RIP)

[Slutboat]

You Fox news clowns are seeing a real grass roots movement for the first time and it scares you

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

For the Banker's to be able to attack us and impose martial law, they first need to make it seem like it's all required. That's why Soros and the NGO's and funding this shit, it's all controlled, just like the majority of similar events in history

Yep, sticks with nails in them is some pretty serious funding.
You'd think at least they could afford metal baseball bats;)

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Yep, sticks with nails in them is some pretty serious funding.
You'd think at least they could afford metal baseball bats;)

lol, they have to make it appear grass roots by building slowly, but eventually TPTB will be able to set off a military grade bomb in a city and blame it on Occupy, just like what happens with Al Qaeda and in Iraq and Afghan. That's then excuse enough to get the troops on the streets, which was the real plan

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Sorry for thinking you were retarded in the other thread. Not sure what I could have been thinking. Clearly, your're a rational, reasonable and clear minded thinker who is incapable of anything other than well reasoned discourse as an intelligent adult.

It's alright man, people make mistakes and in time I will be able to forgive you.



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[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

You Fox news clowns are seeing a real grass roots movement for the first time and it scares you

It's Fake Grass Roots

[Fletch XXX]

this is hilarious

Police said hundreds were possibly heading to Portland and people may be in trees during any police action. Officers also said a hole was being dug in one of the parks and reinforced by wood. Some protesters were also thought to be hammering nails into pieces of wood for weapons and gathering gas masks.

Several pallets were brought in Thursday night to the northwest corner of Chapman Park known as "The 420 Hotel" where police were told it looked like protesters were making shields.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

lol, they have to make it appear grass roots by building slowly, but eventually TPTB will be able to set off a military grade bomb in a city and blame it on Occupy, just like what happens with Al Qaeda and in Iraq and Afghan. That's then excuse enough to get the troops on the streets, which was the real plan

I can see how you got your "reputation for being proven right.". You fucking imagined it.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

this is hilarious ....

I'm sure Oakland is still laughing

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

For the Banker's to be able to attack us and impose martial law, they first need to make it seem like it's all required. That's why Soros and the NGO's and funding this shit, it's all controlled, just like the majority of similar events in history

Originally Posted by Slutboat

You Fox news clowns are seeing a real grass roots movement for the first time and it scares you

Originally Posted by wehateporn

lol, they have to make it appear grass roots by building slowly, but eventually TPTB will be able to set off a military grade bomb in a city and blame it on Occupy, just like what happens with Al Qaeda and in Iraq and Afghan. That's then excuse enough to get the troops on the streets, which was the real plan

Oh goodie....... we have ourselves an old fashion crazy contest.

[DaddyHalbucks]

A fire hose might be refreshing at this time of year.

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

You Fox news clowns are seeing a real grass roots movement for the first time and it scares you

Anarchist, Nazis and Communist...thats fringe, not grass roots.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Meth addicts and unwashed hippies are well known for their solid military and tactical training. I can see where this is going to get ugly for the police.

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[nation-x]

Herein lies the proof that conservatives are full of shit Authoritarians... even though, in my opinion, these reports are false... conservatives will attack the Occupy protesters for arming themselves against government oppression of their first amendment right to assemble and protest while simultaneously claiming the higher ground on second amendment rights.

I don't think violence is a way to solve any of the issues that Occupy are protesting... I am just making a point. Conservatives, while saying they are for less government and claiming to support "freedom' will always support Authoritarianism.

If the protesters decided to arm themselves for real and start an armed revolution against the government... you would see these conservatives take the side of the government... tell me that isn't true.

[keysync]

Originally Posted by nation-x

Herein lies the proof that conservatives are full of shit Authoritarians... even though, in my opinion, these reports are false... conservatives will attack the Occupy protesters for arming themselves against government oppression of their first amendment right to assemble and protest while simultaneously claiming the higher ground on second amendment rights.

I don't think violence is a way to solve any of the issues that Occupy are protesting... I am just making a point. Conservatives, while saying they are for less government and claiming to support "freedom' will always support Authoritarianism.

If the protesters decided to arm themselves for real and start an armed revolution against the government... you would see these conservatives take the side of the government... tell me that isn't true.

That's not true!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by nation-x

conservatives will attack the Occupy protesters for arming themselves against government oppression of their first amendment right to assemble and protest while simultaneously claiming the higher ground on second amendment rights.

I don't think violence is a way to solve any of the issues that Occupy are protesting... I am just making a point.

I'm a fiscal conservative...and I absolutely DESPISE the way cops misuse their power.

But I'm also critical of this movement's tactic of "occupying" parks. I'm just not sure I see how that is part of their right to assemble.

I do think that they should definitely be out there marching and protesting. But building tent cities and sitting on their ass in the parks all day long and becoming a public nuisance doesn't equate in my mine to "protesting".

The methodology of "occupying" makes the whole thing a lot more complicated than if they were actually up in the face, old school protesting at the people they actually are protesting about.

"Occupying" is instead causing problems for everybody BUT the banks and wall street. And they still aren't confronting the "bad guys".

I heard on the news the other day that the actual big shots on wall street and the banks in New York all go to work at like 5 a.m. and don't leave their offices until after dark.

So the occupiers are usually either sleeping in or have already went back to "occupy" their tents and tend to their "community" when the big shots are actually there to be confronted.

Don't know what the answer is going to be over "occupying". But it's pretty obvious that local govt.'s are going to have to do something to get those tent cities taken down for public safety. And then if the protestors still want to stand up and march with signs and fill the streets? That is their 100% constitutional right to do so.

[Relentless]

Other than being idiotic on every level it's a great idea....

The police will easily overpower them, many will be unnecessarily injured AND they political clout will quickly decline.

Peaceful protest is the ONLY kind of protest that ever works. If you want to revolt you don't need protesters you need military force. That is not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.

[huey]

This won't happen in Portland, but I remember LA riots, no organization, no military training, maybe a few thousand took over the streets and the cops couldn't do shit.

[kane]

I live here and it is pretty big news here. The police say they are preparing for anything. I have a feeling, based on stuff that has been in the news the last few days, that a decent number of the protesters will leave peacefully before the deadline. They have said the last few days that with winter coming they need to rethink their tactic and get an indoor place to gather as well as come up with a new way to get the message out.

That said, there is a contingent that seems like they are ready to fight and not leave. Let's not forget, OWS wants some violence. The group in New York got very little publicity until they started getting arrested and clashing with the cops. The same in Oakland. If there is a riot and craziness tonight in Portland it will be all over the news and if it gets really bad it could put a lot of pressure on the mayor's office to find a better way to deal with these people.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The "occupiers" do not directly possess any tools with the "financial impact" that would confront their adversaries. They have no recourse other that to use disruptive acts ... Most of the politicians of influence either have been bought or are indifferent -- there is no political avenue open to any real change.

The "security forces" seem to be justifying future violent confrontations -- this is like the lead up to the Kent State Massacre with probably the same result -- a repeat of history ...
Only 40% are in support of OWS now but after police violence occurs OWS popularity will only increase -- everyone loses will be the end result of this. Chances of any reconciliatory gestures from the government are very slight.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The "occupiers" do not directly possess any tools with the "financial impact" that would confront their adversaries. They have no recourse other that to use disruptive acts ... Most of the politicians of influence either have been bought or are indifferent -- there is no political avenue open to any real change.

The "security forces" seem to be justifying future violent confrontations -- this is like the lead up to the Kent State Massacre with probably the same result -- a repeat of history ...
Only 40% are in support of OWS now but after police violence occurs OWS popularity will only increase -- everyone loses will be the end result of this. Chances of any reconciliatory gestures from the government are very slight.

OWS could help themselves immensely if they had some kind of a untied vision and statement. If they had a spokesperson that could say, "this is what we stand for and this is the change we want." I think more people would be behind them.

Right now they are just a collective of everyone who is pissed off about something so it is hard for many to grasp what they want. Anger is good, but to effect actual change you need a message and organization.

[Phoenix]

i wonder if they are being directed by some veterans for this.

[Overload]

maybe its time for a NEW political party eh? fuck reps and dems - BOTH failed to cater to the 99% ... not?

[porno jew]

good point. funny how so many self-professed libertarians and small / anti government conservatives in the end, when push comes to shove, end up siding with government, the more authoritarian the better.

Originally Posted by nation-x

Herein lies the proof that conservatives are full of shit Authoritarians... even though, in my opinion, these reports are false... conservatives will attack the Occupy protesters for arming themselves against government oppression of their first amendment right to assemble and protest while simultaneously claiming the higher ground on second amendment rights.

I don't think violence is a way to solve any of the issues that Occupy are protesting... I am just making a point. Conservatives, while saying they are for less government and claiming to support "freedom' will always support Authoritarianism.

If the protesters decided to arm themselves for real and start an armed revolution against the government... you would see these conservatives take the side of the government... tell me that isn't true.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

OWS could help themselves immensely if they had some kind of a untied vision and statement. If they had a spokesperson that could say, "this is what we stand for and this is the change we want." I think more people would be behind them.

Right now they are just a collective of everyone who is pissed off about something so it is hard for many to grasp what they want. Anger is good, but to effect actual change you need a message and organization.

This is why they will fail. No unified vision. No single, coherent concept to rally behind and fight for. No defined goals and objectives. This is further complicated and whatever "message" they might by the shit disturbers, property damage, crime etc.

History will remember them as "protesters", nothing more. No different than WTO protesters.

[Jon Oso]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Arm
1. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.

Arm·ing
1. To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.

"Police say Portland protesters arming for fight"
http://news.yahoo.com/police-portlan...023239672.html



Yep, those are some fierce arms they got there

Meanwhile-

In Vietnam they dug holes and put sticks in those holes. Those holes with sticks in them killed thousands of highly trained soldiers.

Never underestimate sticks.

[wehateporn]

cykoe6,

Some people have the patience to read through official documents and key interviews for hours upon end, instead of simply glancing at the headlines. The people who do this will seem crazy to the rest

[raymor]

Originally Posted by kane

OWS could help themselves immensely if they had some kind of a untied vision and statement. If they had a spokesperson that could say, "this is what we stand for and this is the change we want." I think more people would be behind them.

Right now they are just a collective of everyone who is pissed off about something so it is hard for many to grasp what they want. Anger is good, but to effect actual change you need a message and organization.

Indeed. It's impossible to win when you don't have a clear goal. All of the political leaders could say to OWS right now "ok, you win, we'll do what you want" and nothing would happen because they haven't defined anything specific they want, other than to complain.

I don't so much see conservatives or any other group as being against OWS, more people asking "what the hell are you talking about?" Of the various answers different protestors give, some might make sense and many answers are just not well thought out at all. For example, one popular Occupy web site demands that the First Amendment not apply to speech that makes a political point, that people shouldn't have the right to support causes they believe in. That's just silly. Speech with a political point is the main thing the first amendment is supposed to protect.

For these demands, it's not that people are anti-OWS, they're just anti-dumb.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

cykoe6,

Some people have the patience to read through official documents and key interviews for hours upon end, instead of simply glancing at the headlines. The people who do this will seem crazy to the rest

hmm.. so you're "patient" and anyone that disagrees with you is "impatient"?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

hmm.. so you're "patient" and anyone that disagrees with you is "impatient"?

You're oversimplifying, the really impatient ones give themselves away.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by nation-x

Herein lies the proof that conservatives are full of shit Authoritarians... even though, in my opinion, these reports are false... conservatives will attack the Occupy protesters for arming themselves against government oppression of their first amendment right to assemble and protest while simultaneously claiming the higher ground on second amendment rights.

I don't think violence is a way to solve any of the issues that Occupy are protesting... I am just making a point. Conservatives, while saying they are for less government and claiming to support "freedom' will always support Authoritarianism.

If the protesters decided to arm themselves for real and start an armed revolution against the government... you would see these conservatives take the side of the government... tell me that isn't true.

Exactly.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

You're oversimplifying, the really impatient ones give themselves away.

Your word, not mine.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by kane

[O]WS could help themselves immensely if they had some kind of a untied vision and statement. If they had a spokesperson that could say, "this is what we stand for and this is the change we want." I think more people would be behind them. ...

I think that is how we got where we are; the "sound byte" political statement or slogan -- life is not so simple "as seen on TV."

Sometimes, I think however confusing it is, you need to look at the whole picture to reach any reasonable conclusion.

But yeah, a bone for every dog and catnip for all kittens adds to the confusion and detracts from the real agenda.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I think that is how we got where we are; the "sound byte" political statement or slogan -- life is not so simple "as seen on TV."

Sometimes, I think however confusing it is, you need to look at the whole picture to reach any reasonable conclusion.

But yeah, a bone for every dog and catnip for all kittens adds to the confusion and detracts from the real agenda.

Got bad news for you... if you're message isn't getting across clearly, people don't understand exactly what it is, don't understand exactly why they are doing what they are doing and don't understand exactly what is expected to happen... and you're going to blame the audience as a result, then the message AND the messengers have failed.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

lol, they have to make it appear grass roots by building slowly, but eventually TPTB will be able to set off a military grade bomb in a city and blame it on Occupy, just like what happens with Al Qaeda and in Iraq and Afghan. That's then excuse enough to get the troops on the streets, which was the real plan

Since youre obviously in the know and have a reputation for being proven right, would you mind giving us a timeline for this oh patient one?

I just want to be able to give you the credit you'll be due when it happens. Of course if doesn't happen, I might mock you. I promise just a little though.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

this is hilarious

Police said hundreds were possibly heading to Portland and people may be in trees during any police action. Officers also said a hole was being dug in one of the parks and reinforced by wood. Some protesters were also thought to be hammering nails into pieces of wood for weapons and gathering gas masks.

Several pallets were brought in Thursday night to the northwest corner of Chapman Park known as "The 420 Hotel" where police were told it looked like protesters were making shields.

The real question :

Will NATO protect the rebels from the Regime ?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

You Fox news clowns are seeing a real grass roots movement for the first time and it scares you

Scares? Why? Do you know how many well armed militias are in that area?

Must be great to be uniformed and blissfully content in you ignorance.