The Killing of "Bert" Laden

[dgraves]

Finally a true account of what took place is coming to light. Sent to me yesterday from a SEAL buddy.

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Seals tell of killing 'Bert' Laden

Upset by the official account, US Navy Seals commandos reveal the truth of
the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, nicknames and all.

Osama Bin Laden was killed within 90 seconds of the US Navy Seals landing in
his compound and not after a protracted gun battle, according to the first
account by the men who carried out the raid. The operation was so clinical
that only 12 bullets were fired.

The Seals have spoken out because they were angered at the version given by
politicians, which they see as portraying them as cold-blooded murderers on
a "kill mission". They were also shocked that President Barack Obama
announced Bin Laden's death on television the same evening, rendering
useless much of the intelligence they had seized.

Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of Seal Team 6, which conducted the
operation, has interviewed many of those who took part for a book, Seal
Target Geronimo, to be published in the US this week.

The Seals' own accounts differ from the White House version, which gave the
impression that Bin Laden was killed at the end of the operation rather than
in its opening seconds. Pfarrer insists Bin Laden would have been captured
had he surrendered.

"There isn't a politician in the world who could resist trying to take
credit for getting Bin Laden but it devalued the 'intel' and gave time for
every other Al-Qaeda leader to scurry to another bolthole," said Pfarrer.
"The men who did this and their valorous act deserve better. It's a pretty
shabby way to treat these guys."

The first hint of the mission came in January last year when the team's
commanding officer was called to a meeting at the headquarters of joint
special operations command. The meeting was held in a soundproof bunker
three storeys below ground with his boss, Admiral William McRaven, and a CIA
officer.

They told him a walled compound in Pakistan had been under surveillance for
a couple of weeks. They were certain a high-value individual was inside and
needed a plan to present to the president.

It had to be someone important. "So is this Bert or Ernie?" he asked. The
Seals' nicknames for Bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are a
reference to two Muppets in Sesame Street , one tall and thin and the other
short and fat. "We have a voice print," said the CIA officer, "and we're 60%
or 70% certain it's our guy." McRaven added that a reconnaissance satellite
had measured the target's shadow. "Over 6ft tall."

When McRaven added they would use Ghost Hawk helicopters, the team leader
had no doubt. "These are the most classified, sophisticated stealth
helicopters ever developed," said Pfarrer. "They are kept in locked hangars
and fly so quiet we call it 'whisper mode'."

Over the next couple of months a plan was hatched. A mock-up of the compound
was built at Tall Pines, an army facility in a national forest somewhere in
the eastern US.

Four reconnaissance satellites were placed in orbit over the compound,
sending back video and communications intercepts. A tall figure seen walking
up and down was named "the Pacer".

Obama gave the go-ahead and Seal Team 6, known as the Jedi, was deployed to
Afghanistan . The White House cancelled plans to provide air cover using jet
fighters, fearing this might endanger relations with Pakistan .

Sending in the Ghost Hawks without air cover was considered too risky so the
Seals had to use older Stealth Hawks. A Prowler electronic warfare aircraft
from the carrier USS Carl Vinson was used to jam Pakistan 's radar and create
decoy targets.

Operation Neptune 's Spear was initially planned for April 30 but bad weather
delayed it until May 1, a moonless night. The commandos flew on two Stealth
Hawks, codenamed Razor 1 and 2, followed by two Chinooks five minutes
behind, known as "Command Bird" and the "gun platform". On board, each Seal
was clad in body armour and nightvision goggles and equipped with laser
targets, radios and sawn-off M4 rifles. They were expecting up to 30 people
in the main house, including Bin Laden and three of his wives, two sons,
Khalid and Hamza, his courier, Abu Ahmed al- Kuwaiti, four bodyguards and a
number of children. At 56 minutes past midnight the compound came into sight
and the code " Palm Beach " signalled three minutes to landing.

Razor 1 hovered above the main house, a three-storey building where Bin
Laden lived on the top floor. Twelve Seals abseiled the 5ft-6ft down onto
the roof and then jumped to a third-floor patio, where they kicked in the
windows and entered.

The first person the Seals encountered was a terrified woman, Bin Laden's
third wife, Khaira, who ran into the hall. Blinded by a searing white strobe
light they shone at her, she stumbled back. A Seal grabbed her by the arm
and threw her to the floor.

Bin Laden's bedroom was along a short hall. The door opened; he popped out
and then slammed the door shut. "Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo," radioed one
Seal, meaning "eyes on target".

At the same time lights came on from the floor below and Bin Laden's son
Khalid came running up the stairs towards the Seals. He was shot dead.

Two Seals kicked in Bin Laden's door. The room, they later recalled, "smelt
like old clothing, like a guest bedroom in a grandmother's house". Inside
was the Al-Qaeda leader and his youngest wife, Amal, who was screaming as he
pushed her in front of him.

"No, no, don't do this!" she shouted as her husband reached across the
king-size bed for his AK-47 assault rifle. The Seals reacted instantly,
firing in the same second. One round thudded into the mattress. The other,
aimed at Bin Laden's head, grazed Amal in the calf. As his hand reached for
the gun, they each fired again: one shot hit his breastbone, the other his
skull, killing him instantly and blowing out the back of his head.

Meanwhile Razor 2 was heading for the guesthouse, a low, shoebox-like
building, where Bin Laden's courier, Kuwaiti, and his brother lived.

As the helicopter neared, a door opened and two figures appeared, one waving
an AK-47. This was Kuwaiti. In the moonless night he could see nothing and
lifted his rifle, spraying bullets wildly.

He did not see the Stealth Hawk. On board someone shouted, "Bust him!", and
a sniper fired two shots. Kuwaiti was killed, as was the person behind him,
who turned out to be his wife. Also on board were a CIA agent, a Pakistani-
American who would act as interpreter, and a sniffer dog called Karo,
wearing dog body armour and goggles.

Within two minutes the Seals from Razor 2 had cleared the guesthouse and
removed the women and children.

They then ran to the main house and entered from the ground floor, checking
the rooms. One of Bin Laden's bodyguards was waiting with his AK-47. The
Seals shot him twice and he toppled over.

Five minutes into the operation the command Chinook landed outside the
compound, disgorging the commanding officer and more men. They blasted
through the compound wall and rushed in.

The commander made his way to the third floor, where Bin Laden's body lay on
the floor face up. Photographs were taken, and the commander called on his
satellite phone to headquarters with the words: "Geronimo Echo KIA" - Bin
Laden enemy killed in action.

"This was the first time the White House knew he was dead and it was
probably 20 minutes into the raid," said Pfarrer.

A sample of Bin Laden's DNA was taken and the body was bagged. They kept his
rifle. It is now mounted on the wall of their team room at their
headquarters in Virginia Beach , Virginia , alongside photographs of a dozen
colleagues killed in action in the past 20 years.

At this point things started to go wrong. Razor 1 took off but the top
secret "green unit" that controls the electronics failed. The aircraft went
into a spin and crashed tail-first into the compound.

The Seals were alarmed, thinking it had been shot down, and several rushed
to the wreckage. The crew climbed out, shaken but unharmed.

The commanding officer ordered them to destroy Razor 2, to remove the green
unit, and to smash the avionics. They then laid explosive charges.

They loaded Bin Laden's body onto the Chinook along with the cache of
intelligence in plastic bin bags and headed toward the USS Carl Vinson. As
they flew off they blew up Razor 2. The whole operation had taken 38
minutes.

The following morning White House officials announced that the helicopter
had crashed as it arrived, forcing the Seals to abandon plans to enter from
the roof. A photograph of the situation room showed a shocked Hillary
Clinton, the secretary of state, with her hand to her mouth.

Why did they get it so wrong? What they were watching was live video but it
was shot from 20,000ft by a drone circling overhead and relayed in real time
to the White House and Leon Panetta, the CIA director, in Langley . The Seals
were not wearing helmet cameras, and those watching in Washington had no
idea what was happening inside the buildings.

"They don't understand our terminology, so when someone said the 'insertion
helicopter' has crashed, they assumed it meant on entry," said Pfarrer.

What infuriated the Seals, according to Pfarrer, was the description of the
raid as a kill mission. "I've been a Seal for 30 years and I never heard the
words 'kill mission'," he said. "It's a Beltway [ Washington insider's]
fantasy word. If it was a kill mission you don't need Seal Team 6; you need
a box of hand grenades."

[crockett]

Stupid to complain about the announcement of his death on the same night. It's not like the info wouldn't have been leaked, I mean for fucks sake there was some local guy tweeting about it when it happened.

Not to mention Pakistan probably would of tried to take credit for killing him had we not announced it right away. It's not like they are "really' our buddies.

As for politicians fluffing stuff up.. well when do they not if it's something beneficial for them. You have to take any of this type of shit with a grain of salt.. Look back at that football player that got killed early on in Afghan. They were trying to make it sound like he was a hero in a fire fight when he got killed only to later find out it was friendly fire.

I mean if you really don't believe they fluff stuff up, go read some of the reports from wiki leaks from soldiers on the ground. Soldiers claim a average of 10 kills on every fight as you read through those reports. I think in reality if our guys were killing 10 in every fire fight that they would soon run out of people to shoot. When I read some of those reports it reminded me of the movie Good Morning Vietnam.

[JFK]

interesting read

[crockett]

btw where does this "true" account come from anyway? a source other than a chain-mail?

[Rochard]

There are some conflicting stories. The first problem is they released the info too soon (understandable), and the second is they wanted to spin it (again, understandable).

Third is.... The military is going to spin it as it wants. Great, according to this version, Bin Laden was killed in the first 90 seconds. Isn't it highly likely that the US military doesn't want everyone in the world to know we just walked right around their defenses?

People at the lower ranks need to shut their mouths. When in the military, you not in a democracy, and you don't see the much larger picture. I understand the desire to tell the truth, but this has just comprised similar military operations.

[helterskelter808]

Okay I read this crock of shit till the part about "Whisper Mode" (thankfully, given how long it is).

So I didn't get to read who the pilot was, Frank Murphy or Frank Chaney?

[epitome]

Is there anybody that doesn't know a SEAL that goes around spilling national secrets?

[EukerVoorn]

Very interesting. Now post some photo's of Berts face with his brain hanging out where his left eye used to be.

[dgraves]

Originally Posted by crockett

btw where does this "true" account come from anyway? a source other than a chain-mail?

i worked closely with several SEAL teams during my tour in the Marines and still keep in touch with a few.

[porno jew]

story from the sunday times.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-d...-1226186934623

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by crockett

btw where does this "true" account come from anyway? a source other than a chain-mail?

Nevermind.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by dgraves

i worked closely with several SEAL teams during my tour in the Marines and still keep in touch with a few.

I went thru Jungle Warfare School in Panama back in '94 with a squad of SEALs. Pretty hardcore guys that mostly kept to themselves, but they provided us with some great training in Zodiac rafts and jungle helicopter insertion & extraction.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by dgraves

i worked closely with several SEAL teams during my tour in the Marines and still keep in touch with a few.

Yeah we can see that in your avatar. Nice SEAL and strange way of keeping in touch you have

[DWB]

Countdown until these guys are KIA.

[dgraves]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I went thru Jungle Warfare School in Panama back in '94 with a squad of SEALs. Pretty hardcore guys that mostly kept to themselves, but they provided us with some great training in Zodiac rafts and jungle helicopter insertion & extraction.

i was doing Team Spirit in Korea when i first started working with them. i came out of my tent one morning and saw an M16 leaning against the side of the tent next to mine. any marine will tell you that this is an unusual thing to see.

shortly after that some guy came out of the tent and he was wearing a camo jacket, jeans and work boots. he had long hair and hadn't shaved in days. i was like "what the fuck?" the rest of the dudes came out and they all looked similar. a few had full beards and were pretty beat up looking. i thought maybe we were doing some cross training with the homeless...lol

during the morning muster we found out that they were the SEAL team we were going to be working with. not quite what i imagined but these guys knew their shit.