If business was a sport...Is business about money or something else?

[Wizzo]

"If business was a sport, money would be the score." I have a good friend that always uses this quote and I see many people around here lately bitching about others making money, so curious what you think about this... Is business about making money or something else? Discuss!

[digitalfantasies]

I have no clue man, I just want to be able to do what I want... go to the beach, enjoy the sun, a few cocktails in good company...

That is my definition of success...

BTW, I am off to the beach now ;-)

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

I have no clue man, I just want to be able to do what I want... go to the beach, enjoy the sun, a few cocktails in good company...

That is my definition of success...

BTW, I am off to the beach now ;-)

Is it sunny? Are there some friends and some cocktails waiting for you? If so, good on you man. Congrats for living the way you desire.

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by TheStout

Is it sunny? Are there some friends and some cocktails waiting for you? If so, good on you man. Congrats for living the way you desire.

Thanks

30 degrees Celsius (like the rest of the year), beach on 200 meters from my house, friends are probably already there or will be there later today... cocktails probably tonight... too early now (it's a Tuesday )

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

"If business was a sport, money would be the score." I have a good friend that always uses this quote and I see many people around here lately bitching about others making money, so curious what you think about this... Is business about making money or something else? Discuss!

Your friend is spot on. Business is about making money, period.

The rest of the shit some concern themselves with is fodder. Being liked, respected, popular, loved, etc. and so on. Open a history book and look at how other colleagues of Rockefellar, Gates, Jobs, Kennedy, Trump, etc, etc. etc... characterized them in their time.

Many of them stole ideas from others, repackaged, and called it their own. They engaged in monopolistic or unethical practices. Sued competition into bankruptcy, among many countless other things. Some did other illegal activities (ex: rum running), much like you see going on with banks and Wall Street now. You can look at some of the leaders in our own adult industry and who's on top along with how they got there.

While there may be a few white hat's laying around, the vast majority of the successful were at some point in their life a villain, and hated by their contemporaries and rivals. It's only later in life or in time through history of achievements they were judged more kindly.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Your friend is spot on. Business is about making money, period.

The rest of the shit some concern themselves with is fodder. Being liked, respected, popular, loved, etc. and so on. Open a history book and look at how other colleagues of Rockefellar, Gates, Jobs, Kennedy, Trump, etc, etc. etc... characterized them in their time.

Many of them stole ideas from others, repackaged, and called it their own. They engaged in monopolistic or unethical practices. Sued competition into bankruptcy, among many countless other things. Some did other illegal activities (ex: rum running), much like you see going on with banks and Wall Street now. You can look at some of the leaders in our own adult industry and who's on top along with how they got there.

While there may be a few white hat's laying around, the vast majority of the successful were at some point in their life a villain, and hated by their contemporaries and rivals. It's only later in life or in time through history of achievements they were judged more kindly.

Good points!

[Mr. Romance]

It's about freedom and choices; however, the freedom and choices only come after the money;therefore, it is about the money

Mr. Romance

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Romance

It's about freedom and choices; however, the freedom and choices only come after the money;therefore, it is about the money

Mr. Romance

Very true, I wonder how people feel about this relation to tubes, Manwin, and dot xxx?

[bronco67]

For me, business is about not having to work in an office full of retards.

[Relentless]

Some people focus on what the score is at the moment, some focus on what the score will be at the end of the game. Leading in the first quarter is not the same as winning. Money matters, but making a little more now to make a lot less later isn't the answer.

The mistake on GFY isn't long term or short term thinking, it's people spending way too much time watching the scores in 'other games' instead of watching the score in the games YOU are in...

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Some people focus on what the score is at the moment, some focus on what the score will be at the end of the game. Leading in the first quarter is not the same as winning. Money matters, but making a little more now to make a lot less later isn't the answer.

The mistake on GFY isn't long term or short term thinking, it's people spending way too much time watching the scores in 'other games' instead of watching the score in the games YOU are in...

So true! I find it funny when people worry about other's business when it has no effect on theirs.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Very true, I wonder how people feel about this relation to tubes, Manwin, and dot xxx?

They've obviously accomplished a lot and I respect them for that. It's amazing what WalMart has done as well, doesn't mean I like them in particular. Also, I'm not going to throw a hissy fit when someone does business with them either.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Relentless

The mistake on GFY isn't long term or short term thinking, it's people spending way too much time watching the scores in 'other games' instead of watching the score in the games YOU are in...

Amen BROmance!

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by bronco67

For me, business is about not having to work in an office full of retards.

you repeat this ad nauseam.. are you this social phobic in person or do people just not 'get' you and it pisses you off?

[the Shemp]

is bank robbing classified a business ... ?

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

is bank robbing classified a business ... ?

For me it would be, but there's some risks involved with it that should be weighed as part of decision to pursue it or that it could be a profitable venture longterm.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

"If business was a sport, money would be the score."

What about "More money, more problems".

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Relentless

The mistake on GFY isn't long term or short term thinking, it's people spending way too much time watching the scores in 'other games' instead of watching the score in the games YOU are in...

I was going to say "It's none-thinking" But ok, you are right too

[DudeRick]

Business is about making money. Obama and his OWS children have done their best to demonize this practice.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

you repeat this ad nauseam.. are you this social phobic in person or do people just not 'get' you and it pisses you off?

Thanks for noticing. I've been through heaps of office politics, and I'm done with it. I still work with people of course, otherwise I'd never get paid. Thankfully I'm talented and rare enough in my niche to dictate when and who I work with.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Business is about making money. Obama and his OWS children have done their best to demonize this practice.

Yeah, I always find it interesting that OWS doesn't occupy congress who essentially set the rules that allowed Wall St. to do the damage it has done.

[VenzuelanChick]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Some people focus on what the score is at the moment, some focus on what the score will be at the end of the game. Leading in the first quarter is not the same as winning. Money matters, but making a little more now to make a lot less later isn't the answer.

The mistake on GFY isn't long term or short term thinking, it's people spending way too much time watching the scores in 'other games' instead of watching the score in the games YOU are in...

[jimmycooper]

For those of you straight guys who say it's ALL about the money, ask yourself this:

Would you suck dick for money?

Probably not. Well, at least most of you probably wouldn't. I know I wouldn't. In my mind, I think that promoting scat or midget porn or some other nasty shit, regardless of ratios or profit potential, is no different than sucking dick for money. Not only that, and maybe it's because I come from money or because I have a decent education or because I have other more favorable options or even because I don't know what it's like to really TRULY struggle, but I also choose to view those who do promote such things in the same light that much of society views those who suck dick for money. Guys, that is. Straight guys. Not girls. It's perfectly acceptable for girls to suck dick for money.

I guess different people have different thresholds.

Originally Posted by Relentless

Some people focus on what the score is at the moment, some focus on what the score will be at the end of the game. Leading in the first quarter is not the same as winning. Money matters, but making a little more now to make a lot less later isn't the answer.

The mistake on GFY isn't long term or short term thinking, it's people spending way too much time watching the scores in 'other games' instead of watching the score in the games YOU are in...

Good points.

[epitome]

The only problem with focusing solely on money is personal relationships typically suffer.

I would much rather have a comfortable life that is well balanced than to focus only on money and miss out on so many other things.

I would rather make $100k a year working 50 hours a week than a million or more working 100 hours a week.

Now if you can balance things and make a ton, props to you, but you are the exception to the rule.

I value friends and family more than I value pieces of paper in my wallet. Relationships are growing more and more important to me the older I get.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by epitome

The only problem with focusing solely on money is personal relationships typically suffer.

I would much rather have a comfortable life that is well balanced than to focus only on money and miss out on so many other things.

I would rather make $100k a year working 50 hours a week than a million or more working 100 hours a week.

Now if you can balance things and make a ton, props to you, but you are the exception to the rule.

I value friends and family more than I value pieces of paper in my wallet. Relationships are growing more and more important to me the older I get.

I would agree with you, I'm not saying life is about money but business is about money.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

I'm not saying life is about money but business is about money.

True dat bromance.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by epitome

The only problem with focusing solely on money is personal relationships typically suffer.

I would much rather have a comfortable life that is well balanced than to focus only on money and miss out on so many other things.

I would rather make $100k a year working 50 hours a week than a million or more working 100 hours a week.

Now if you can balance things and make a ton, props to you, but you are the exception to the rule.

I value friends and family more than I value pieces of paper in my wallet. Relationships are growing more and more important to me the older I get.

I would agree with. BUT business is about money. When I work, I want to be paid. Sometimes a better relationship is cool if that leads to more business which is more money.

[raymor]

Money is a means to an end for me. If I work to feed my family, but work so much that I lose my family, I've lost. I work so that I have money to live and give.

If work gets in the way of living and giving, I'm doing it wrong. How many rich people do we know who clearly aren't happy? When I see an asshole, I know their life lacks joy. The assholes with money have put the means ahead of the ends, so they end up with cash and a bad mood. I'll take joyful work at $15 / hour over feeling like a jackass loser making $75 / hour any day.

So wussy is work about? Joyfully living and giving. Money is just a tool used for living and giving. Part of that joy might be keeping score in the game, but games are supposed to be fun. If you're so obsessed with winning that you miss enjoying the game, you're lost.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

I would agree with you, I'm not saying life is about money but business is about money.

Yes, I agree. Nobody is trying to run a charity (I hope) but far too often people fall in love with the seductive mistress that is money. It becomes a unhealthy obsession.

[epitome]

To clarify, running a business is about money.

Ethics do play a role though. Yes there are a few that climbed to the top throwing ethics out the window, but I know more people that are better off putting their customers and partners first than who fucked others over for the almighty dollar.

In this industry just look at the people that treated members like shit. Many are gone. Those that put their customers first are still thriving.

If things had to be put in priority order, I would say the most important thing is service, the second is making money.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by epitome

If things had to be put in priority order, I would say the most important thing is service, the second is making money.

There are plenty of neighborhood businesses, big and small, that go out of business every day thinking like that. However, it's their business to run into the ground any way they see fit.

The leader(s) of this industry do not wear a white hat, and they have bought up/out/eliminated almost all of the competition. They stand on top of the hill in regards to online porn (revenue, traffic, content, sheer reach or footprint) and will be the one's who steer this industry in the near future.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

There are plenty of neighborhood businesses, big and small, that go out of business every day thinking like that. However, it's their business to run into the ground any way they see fit.

The leader(s) of this industry do not wear a white hat, and they have bought up/out/eliminated almost all of the competition. They stand on top of the hill in regards to online porn (revenue, traffic, content, sheer reach or footprint) and will be the one's who steer this industry in the near future.

Yeah, but as far as I know Manwin/sef has never fucked over their affiliates nor their customers on a massive scale, so they get high grades in the service department. The government was never a client, so the money laundering thing is irrelevant to their level of service. Being cutthroat with your competition has nothing to do with service either.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Yeah, but as far as I know Manwin/sef has never fucked over their affiliates nor their customers on a massive scale, so they get high grades in the service department. The government was never a client, so the money laundering thing is irrelevant to their level of service. Being cutthroat with your competition has nothing to do with service either.

You completely missed the point in regards to the topic.

Threads on Manwin rarely, if ever, mention any of those things you just did in regards to their current position on top of this industry, and how they got there in the first place.

[LatinaCrazy]

Business is about freedom and success, the money comes with success.

If you look at the money you will loose the success.

As my daddy used to say. Money is the yardstick that I use to measure my success!

[shade001]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

you repeat this ad nauseam.. are you this social phobic in person or do people just not 'get' you and it pisses you off?

The fact that you don't get his motivation might tell you something revealing about yourself.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You completely missed the point in regards to the topic.

Threads on Manwin rarely, if ever, mention any of those things you just did in regards to their current position on top of this industry, and how they got there in the first place.

Of course they don't. It's more fun to complain.

[magicmike]

I guess business is about making money, but life isn't just about business. Its all about balancing both in the end.

I watched a lot of that show Undercover boss, almost every one of those CEO's regret was not spending enough time with their kids and family.

[grumpy]

for me it has always be the freedom. I have stepped away from several big opportunities just because i didnt feel like it. When you love what you do and are dedicated to it, money will come to.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by grumpy

for me it has always be the freedom. I have stepped away from several big opportunities just because i didnt feel like it. When you love what you do and are dedicated to it, money will come to.

Stepping away from big opportunities is a life choice not a business choice or did work the same amount on smaller opportunities as you would have on the big?

[garce]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Your friend is spot on. Business is about making money, period.

The rest of the shit some concern themselves with is fodder. Being liked, respected, popular, loved, etc. and so on. Open a history book and look at how other colleagues of Rockefellar, Gates, Jobs, Kennedy, Trump, etc, etc. etc... characterized them in their time.

While I agree with you to a point, not even The Manwins are going to come close to reaching the level of financial success and influence the men that you mentioned obtained.

Ripping off hundreds, or even thousands, of anonymous webmasters (I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MANWIN HERE!!! I mentioned Manwin only as a successful adult-oriented business.) for a six or low seven figure payday doesn't make you a Rockefeller. It makes you a joke.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by garce

While I agree with you to a point, not even The Manwins are going to come close to reaching the level of financial success and influence the men that you mentioned obtained.

True, however my example was not about the dollar amount (i.e. Manwin is not Bill Gates/Micro$oft) nor was that really the context of my example. If you re-read my remarks, it was that those individuals were/are considered villain's by their colleagues of the day, much as Manwin is considered in the adult industry.

While those individuals I mentioned were considered at times to use dubious business practices (I'll leave it at that) to gain their position of advange, they were the leaders of their industry and amassed great fortune in their prime.

While Manwin is not Apple, in context to the adult industry and on par with that revenue business model, they are probably the most dominant adult company of the past few years. By many, they are considered a villain (to say the least) on how they managed to get to that position.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by garce

for a six or low seven figure payday doesn't make you a Rockefeller. It makes you a joke.

Please laugh at me, I'll take it and be a joke all the way to the bank...