Lunar Landings and Lies - Republican Debate Veers Toward the Absurd

[MaDalton]

This is how the republican race for the candidancy is seen from outside the US...

The US Republican candidates' debate in Florida quickly devolved into a horror show of absurdities on Thursday night as candidates argued about immigration and moon colonies. Mitt Romney was branded the winner, but the real losers were the viewers, the truth and politics in general.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...811786,00.html

[Fletch XXX]

Gotta admit why cant they land on moon again? It cant be cost... They spend xillions on anything yet a moon landing is too much? Lol

[Sly]

I could comment on the next European race... but... eh, most people don't care. :-)

[sperbonzo]

I personally can't understand why any party would allow the debate questions to be picked, and moderation to be run, by their political opponents at NBC. Such a dumb move. Obviously NBC is going to ask questions that make them look stupid. And NBC/MSNBC have been making political hay out of it ever since.

It would be like having Fox news decide on the questions for the democratic debate.... and then make fun of the questions they were debating afterwards. Makes no sense to me. Whatever political consultant that made THAT decision is an idiot.


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[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

This is how the republican race for the candidancy is seen from outside the US...

It's seen the same way here in the states too, embarassing.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Gotta admit why cant they land on moon again? It cant be cost... They spend xillions on anything yet a moon landing is too much? Lol

We can't go back to the moon cause the alien they sent back in Buzz Aldrin's skin started the aids virus and then started turning everyone gay.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sly

I could comment on the next European race... but... eh, most people don't care. :-)

when its the greatest country on earth, rest of earth will comment

[JFK]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

We can't go back to the moon cause the alien they sent back in Buzz Aldrin's skin started the aids virus and then started turning everyone gay.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Gotta admit why cant they land on moon again? It cant be cost... They spend xillions on anything yet a moon landing is too much? Lol

You know there was more than just one moon landing, right? It wasn't one and done.

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You know there was more than just one moon landing, right? It wasn't one and done.

True! Apollo 18 was awesome!
Oh, wait...

[Tom_PM]

That debate was about the lamest. It was on CNN btw. But at least Blitzer was prepared for Newton's whiplash defense of trying to blame the media for a question he didn't want to answer.

[beerptrol]

sounds like a bunch of old farts sitting in a nursing home arguing over useless shit

[2MuchMark]

Gingrich is such a fat fucking idiot.

If he wants to be another JFK, he should ask top Nasa scientists what are the most exciting and most plausible missions that will yield the biggest bounty in science and / or return.

The moon is close and nearby but there's not much reason to go. No resources, no minerals, little to no water.

What we should be doing is sending a probe to land on EUROPA. It is the best candidate in the solar system to have life outside of the earth, and going there is not that expensive. If fuckhead douchebag Gingrich would take his head out of his ass and commit funds to Nasa to send a ship out there, his name might be forever tied to the First Discover of Alien Life, the way Kennedy's name is tied to the moon landing.

I really really hope Obama can turn the economy around and then ask Nasa to do it. I would rather see Obama's name associated with amazing discoveries than fuckhead Newt.

[biskoppen]

They never touched anything close to the moon

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by biskoppen

They never touched anything close to the moon

I feel sorry for you if you really believe this.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Gotta admit why cant they land on moon again? It cant be cost... They spend xillions on anything yet a moon landing is too much? Lol

Questioning the moon landing is a big no no around the patriotic crowd. Never mind that it looked like some cheap toys wrapped in tin foil and the fact that we've never been back.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I feel sorry for you if you really believe this.

I am the opposite of a conspiracy theorist but the moon landing makes my BSometer go apeshit.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You know there was more than just one moon landing, right? It wasn't one and done.

No man has ever walked on the moon and No living thing has ever survived a trip through the Van Allen radiation belt

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

No man has ever walked on the moon and No living thing has ever survived a trip through the Van Allen radiation belt

Did you know that Van Allen himself said it was possible? I'm sure you're more qualified to discuss the radiation in the Van Allen Belts (That's right genius, it's plural.) than the man that discovered them and they are named after but that's just the nature of you Internet detectives. Don't let the facts get in your way.

The spacecraft moved through the belts in about four hours, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the aluminium hulls of the spacecraft. Furthermore, the orbital transfer trajectory from Earth to the Moon through the belts was chosen to lessen radiation exposure. Even Dr James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions.[70] Plait cited an average dose of less than 1 rem (10 mSv), which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.[71] The spacecraft passed through the intense inner belt and the low-energy outer belt. The total radiation received on the trip was about the same as allowed for workers in the nuclear energy field for a year.[72]

Do you think retroreflectors are some sort of natural phenomenon on the moon and not placed there by the Apollo missions? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_L...ing_experiment

NASA has since taken pictures of the equipment that was left on the moon by the six Apollo landings.. They were recently released.

We landed on the moon, period.

[stocktrader23]

[DBS.US]

Even Dr James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions.

The U.S. Government told him it would be a good idea for him to change his mind if he wanted more grant money.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

Even Dr James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions.

The U.S. Government told him it would be a good idea for him to change his mind if he wanted more grant money.

Oh for fuck sakes. There's no sense arguing with you morons.

Just because I'm curious, how do you explain the retroreflectors?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You know there was more than just one moon landing, right? It wasn't one and done.

just prove everyone wrong and do it with modern technology... yes im well aware. I also know that wad looong before our current advances... Yet they atill say it costs too,muxh lol

[Fletch XXX]

I dont care if we did it or not how come they cant dio it again is the question

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

No man has ever walked on the moon and No living thing has ever survived a trip through the Van Allen radiation belt

Oh, Goddammit.


The Apollo astronauts traveled through the Van Allen radiation belts on the way to the Moon; however, exposure was minimized by following a trajectory along the edge of the belts that avoided the strongest areas of radiation. The total radiation exposure to astronauts was estimated to be much less than the five (5) rem set by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by **********

Oh, Goddammit.


The Apollo astronauts traveled through the Van Allen radiation belts on the way to the Moon; however, exposure was minimized by following a trajectory along the edge of the belts that avoided the strongest areas of radiation. The total radiation exposure to astronauts was estimated to be much less than the five (5) rem set by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

If it's on Wikipedia, it must be true

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

If it's on Wikipedia, it must be true

Yet you used it as a source yourself.

[xholly]

Originally Posted by **********

Gingrich is such a fat fucking idiot.

If he wants to be another JFK, he should ask top Nasa scientists what are the most exciting and most plausible missions that will yield the biggest bounty in science and / or return.

The moon is close and nearby but there's not much reason to go. No resources, no minerals, little to no water.

What we should be doing is sending a probe to land on EUROPA. It is the best candidate in the solar system to have life outside of the earth, and going there is not that expensive. If fuckhead douchebag Gingrich would take his head out of his ass and commit funds to Nasa to send a ship out there, his name might be forever tied to the First Discover of Alien Life, the way Kennedy's name is tied to the moon landing.

I really really hope Obama can turn the economy around and then ask Nasa to do it. I would rather see Obama's name associated with amazing discoveries than fuckhead Newt.

yep this, Europa is definitely where we should be heading. fuck going to the moon again, what a waste of resources when we should be heading for mars and the moons of jupiter.
Problem is most people are clueless and have never heard of Europa, probly half this board doesn't even believe we went to the moon in the first place anyway.

[xholly]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I dont care if we did it or not how come they cant dio it again is the question

because its a waste of fuckiung money thats why, when they should be furthering science and knowledge elsewhere and not going back to the moon in order to get some old dickrash elected.

not complicated

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by xholly

because its a waste of fuckiung money thats why, when they should be furthering science and knowledge elsewhere and not going back to the moon in order to get some old dickrash elected.

not complicated

Meh, you know they're much too busy taking those social aid, education, infrastruction and medical dollars and funneling them into blowing shit up overseas to bother with moon shots...

:D

[xholly]

yeah, Im not american but i'd love to see nasa get a massive boost in their budget, Its a real pity and i just have to shake my head when people bitch about space exploration and nasa spending when compared with the amount spent on blowing shit up is really nothing.

[porno jew]

i think space exploration is cool but in this case it really is a symbol of how out of touch the republicans are with culture, the economy, pretty much everything. with the shit they say the might as well be on the moon.

[Joshua G]

gingrich is, oddly enough, ahead of the curve. Now that the top 1% have maximized their exploitation of natural & human resources on earth, the uber rich are looking for any ticket they can off this planet, to a new one with a nice view. But i agree, the moon is small thinking. Best bet is for them to build a new planet, like a death star or something. Only the most attractive & wealthiest & smartest will be invited. The 99% can choke on their globally warmed smog.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by **********

Gingrich is such a fat fucking idiot.

If he wants to be another JFK, he should ask top Nasa scientists what are the most exciting and most plausible missions that will yield the biggest bounty in science and / or return.

The moon is close and nearby but there's not much reason to go. No resources, no minerals, little to no water.

What we should be doing is sending a probe to land on EUROPA. It is the best candidate in the solar system to have life outside of the earth, and going there is not that expensive. If fuckhead douchebag Gingrich would take his head out of his ass and commit funds to Nasa to send a ship out there, his name might be forever tied to the First Discover of Alien Life, the way Kennedy's name is tied to the moon landing.

I really really hope Obama can turn the economy around and then ask Nasa to do it. I would rather see Obama's name associated with amazing discoveries than fuckhead Newt.

there is lots of water.. europeans proved that with the deep impact probe

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

there is lots of water.. europeans proved that with the deep impact probe

They didn't find liquid water or ice - they found water molecules like the kind of water molecules you mind find in the desert. They also don't know if the water came from inside the moon (lots of water) or if it was deposited by a comet and is all but dried up. Since the moon has no atmosphere any water it might have had or has is mostly evaporated.

Europa on the other hand seems to have more water than the earth. Its surface appears to be ever changing and it resembles some ice sheets on earth. Scientists think that an ocean of water exists below the ice, and that the heat that it gets comes from the gravitational forces of Jupiter (called tidal flexing) that are constantly bending and pulling at the moon, creating friction and keeping everything nice and toasty.

Liquid Water? Faint sun? Minerals such as salt? Arthur C Clarke might be right after all.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by **********

Gingrich is such a fat fucking idiot.

If he wants to be another JFK, he should ask top Nasa scientists what are the most exciting and most plausible missions that will yield the biggest bounty in science and / or return.

The moon is close and nearby but there's not much reason to go. No resources, no minerals, little to no water.

What we should be doing is sending a probe to land on EUROPA. It is the best candidate in the solar system to have life outside of the earth, and going there is not that expensive. If fuckhead douchebag Gingrich would take his head out of his ass and commit funds to Nasa to send a ship out there, his name might be forever tied to the First Discover of Alien Life, the way Kennedy's name is tied to the moon landing.

I really really hope Obama can turn the economy around and then ask Nasa to do it. I would rather see Obama's name associated with amazing discoveries than fuckhead Newt.

QFT.

Space travel today in any sort of distance for humans is impossible. Just in case you missed it. Space travel today in any sort of distance for humans is impossible.
Because the amount of extra weight it will take to keep them alive and get them back will make the mission doomed. Going to the moon is fine. It's the distance between the Q and W on your key board, Mars is going to the Kitchen. EUROPA across the street. Not sure of the exact distances, couldn't find it on Google, so just to give you an idea of the problems.

The size of the universe is something few comprehend.

I spend too much time watching NAT GEO on TV.

[CurrentlySober]

I loved Lunar Lander...

[Paul Markham]

This is what I see of the debate for the future Republican Presidential candidate. A lot of negativity in advertising and campaigning and even out on the campaign trail. They keep attacking each other and Obama.

Few tell us how they will do it better. Except for the already tried and failed methods. Tax cuts did not work before and will not work in the future. We're all in this mess because we all borrowed money that should of been raised in taxes. Gordon Brown kept telling people he was investing in the future, he lied or was stupid.

The same goes for the US. You can't have the level of living on only the money the US earns. Take away the debt and that will mean paying it of and that will mean taking money out of your pockets, same goes for the EU. The German voters have just realised it.

Watched a great program last night called "The iPod Revolution" it was amazing and shows what a small investment in someone who has vision can make. Jobs created a multi billion dollar industry from his own ingenuity, knowledge and skill. Plus some hard work. There are other examples of him. Gates for one.

Invest in this and create something that will sell to the world. Sending a mission to the Moon, Mars or Europa will always cost more than it makes. nice to know what's there. but we're not in the black with money. We're in the red. So let's think of something that will cost less and produce more.