hmm, does the USA become what it claims to fight?

[Overload]

serious ... losing rights all the time ... the arabs stand up for their freedom now ... what will YOU do when the constitution has become a fucking useless piece of paper?

and, where is the difference between nazi germany and the USA today? i dont see any! ppl follow like sheep and believe what ever told by the rulers

almost equivalent:
concetration camp - gitmo
jews - muslim terrorists
SS - homeland security

... what we learn from history is that we dont learn from history ...

thoughts?

[Yanks_Todd]

almost equivalent? very powerful statement there

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by Overload

serious ... losing rights all the time ... the arabs stand up for their freedom now ... what will YOU do when the constitution has become a fucking useless piece of paper?

and, where is the difference between nazi germany and the USA today? i dont see any! ppl follow like sheep and believe what ever told by the rulers

almost equivalent:
concetration camp - gitmo
jews - muslim terrorists
SS - homeland security

... what we learn from history is that we dont learn from history ...

thoughts?

Go read some WWII history and then reassess your statements. Last time I checked the news, I didn't see thousands of US troops arresting and taking Muslims from any neighborhoods, nor has any Homeland Security officer behaved anywhere near how the SS did.

Are we perfect? Far from it.

Do US citizens "follow like sheep and believe what ever told"? None that I know.

No one can predict the future, but seeing the US Constitution turned into a "a fucking useless piece of paper" is something I don't think we'll see in our lifetime.

[raymor]

You were making a good point in the first sentence / paragraph. Then you said that detaining a few terrorists is the same thing as murdering twelve MILLION people. As soon as you went Reductio ad Hitlerum, you completely lost your audience and just looked foolish.

Goodwin's law, Morris penalty:
In any debate that goes on long enough, someone will eventually make a Hitler comparison and that person automatically loses.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by Overload

serious ... losing rights all the time ... the arabs stand up for their freedom now ... what will YOU do when the constitution has become a fucking useless piece of paper?

and, where is the difference between nazi germany and the USA today? i dont see any! ppl follow like sheep and believe what ever told by the rulers

almost equivalent:
concetration camp - gitmo
jews - muslim terrorists
SS - homeland security

... what we learn from history is that we dont learn from history ...

thoughts?

The constitution has already been thrown out the window with the introduction of the "patriot" act, homeland security, etc. People think the government are really out to save them from terrorists. It's kind of comical how gullible people are.

I've been to, lived in and easily survived in countries where there are real, bonafide, 6 y/o cut your head off and force feed your brains to your wife/friend/etc terrorists.. And never once have I had to endure the shit they call "security" and "safety" in the US.

And a better equivalent to concentration camps would be FEMA camps as opposed to gitmo.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by raymor

You were making a good point in the first sentence / paragraph. Then you said that detaining a few terrorists is the same thing as murdering twelve MILLION people.

Not that I believe the USA is like Nazi Germany (or any other country of the 1930s, for that matter, including the USA) but do you think the Nazis opened Auschwitz the day after Hitler became leader? The Nazis simply took already widespread and accepted/'acceptable' ideas of the time (anti-Semitism, eugenics, euthanasia, racial supremacy) and gradually took those ideas to their logical, fucked up conclusion.

[DaddyHalbucks]

I agree. Let's get back to the US Constitution.

Vote Ron Paul!

[V_RocKs]

jews = muslim terrorists?

[Overload]

Originally Posted by billywatson

Go read some WWII history and then reassess your statements. Last time I checked the news, I didn't see thousands of US troops arresting and taking Muslims from any neighborhoods, nor has any Homeland Security officer behaved anywhere near how the SS did.

Are we perfect? Far from it.

Do US citizens "follow like sheep and believe what ever told"? None that I know.

No one can predict the future, but seeing the US Constitution turned into a "a fucking useless piece of paper" is something I don't think we'll see in our lifetime.

ok, there is no ethnical cleansing but from what i have seen happening in iran/afghan there have been "killings for fun" (the shooting of the reuter reporters for example ... remember? "c'mon, lets shoot!" - "keep shooting" ... cal 50 against soft targets - how heroic )

hah, i bet the germans way back then thought the same ... only when war was over most realised they had been misused

not a "a fucking useless piece of paper"?! it already IS! the patriot act was only the opening ... and since its been widely accepted the next steps are just around the corner

[Overload]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Anyway, the true irony is it's not just the Governments fault, but mainly our own. 37% of Americans vote in the primary elections and much less in state and local. The vast don't even know who their State/Fed representatives are and don't trust them anyway. So why bother when you can get a 24 pack of cinnabuns and a gallon of Milk at Walmart for $9.99?

It's a shame because i've been in enough shitholes in this world to truly know how good we have it here. We truly do have buffet of opportunity and the means to exploit it, but mainly focused on what the other guys has. We American are the most spoiled people on the planet.

you speak directly from my heart there ...

[19teenporn]

Every single empire has fallen.

Is the natural course of things...

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I agree. Let's get back to the US Constitution.

Vote Ron Paul!

For some reason no one here seems to see that.

And then at the end of the day he 2 is a politician

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by raymor

Goodwin's law, Morris penalty:
In any debate that goes on long enough, someone will eventually make a Hitler comparison and that person automatically loses.

I never heard of this, love it

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by billywatson

Go read some WWII history and then reassess your statements. Last time I checked the news, I didn't see thousands of US troops arresting and taking Muslims from any neighborhoods, nor has any Homeland Security officer behaved anywhere near how the SS did.

Those things are happening over seas.

[Rochard]

What rights have I lost? Did I miss the memo?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What rights have I lost? Did I miss the memo?

Privacy and the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures. Did you know, because of the patriot act, the government forces your bank to go over every transaction you make and report anything they see as suspicious to the government? If you or your business often sends over seas wires to pay for traffic, affiliates etc your account probably has already been flagged and your information sent to the government.

The list is too long for me to list for you right now. Maybe you should read the laws that congress is passing and Bush and Obama have signed.

[BlackCrayon]

maybe you should try living there instead of just going by alarmist articles.