X Videos Changing

[Robbie]

Just read this post by Elliot from Score over on XBiz forum, he copied and pasted it from xvideos dot com:
February 3, 2012 : Today we are closing the upload page, until further notice. We are heavily redesigning our content management process. There will be a human review of 100% of the past and future videos. We will systematically require additional information when the persons in the videos look young, or delete these videos before anyone can see them.
Please note : we are strongly against hosting videos featuring minors. We have been forwarding every probable underage video information, along with uploader details, to agencies such as FBI. Do not upload underage content, we don't want it. It will get you in trouble and it hurts us too. You can read this page for more information. More details will be published soon.

That sounds a LOT like what I tried to tell Fabian a few months ago to do about Pornhub and all his other tubes that are filled with pirate content (even though X Videos is stressing underage...I think we can surmise the "coincidence" of megaupload and this sudden decision).

So Xvideos is going to actually WORK on their own site...you know like all of us have done since the internet started.

Now Fabian is going to have to do the same thing...just like I told him to do months ago and he gave me his standard bullshit "Robbie you don't understand DMCA" double talk.

Bottom line is...if your site does not HAVE stolen content...you don't need "safe harbour". I've NEVER had a site that needed to hide behind a DMCA law.

If Fabian doesn't get off his chubby ass and actually get something done 100% at his tube sites, he won't be long from joining another clown who let his ego run wild...Mr. DotCom and Fabian would make perfect cell mates. They could both join weight watchers together.

[Wizzo]

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1056074

[porno jew]

i'm sure it has zero to do with the giant child porn ring that was busted yesterday in ontario.

i'm pretty sure they decided to do it after your posts on gfy.com

[Just Alex]

Nothing gets by you, Robbie.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1056074

I think this thread is more about Fabian and Rob's ability to predict the future

[Robbie]

I didn't see that first thread by Eric.

And when I read what x videso was doing, I thought to myself..."This is what I told Fabian he should do and what a double talking bullshit artist Fabian is"
When I told him that he should start doing the same thing AND linking to the correct paysite of every video on his tube sites...he told me that he couldn't do that because I didn't "understand" DMCA law.

It was a bullshit answer on his part. And I hope he gets his ass in a ton of trouble over those tube sites.

One side of his mouth told me that the tube sites were only a "small" part of the income flow to Manwin.
Then the other side of his mouth said that he couldn't change anything because he's afraid to lose traffic to them.

And the whole dumb ass "partner programs" on tubes?

How about this Fabian...there already IS a "partner" program. It's called every site you have content on your tubes just happens to have an AFFILIATE program for YOU to join.

This clown expects people to go to his tube site and actually do all of that work for him too in getting him signed up as an affiliate! So us content producers are already the ones who created the content that got him the traffic, then he monetized it with prepaid cams, dating, whitelabel, etc. and THEN he wants us to do everything else for him too. lol

Here's a clue: Fabian...stop taking stolen content and making money off of it.
Start signing up for affiliate programs and promoting the paysites WITHOUT a spammed up page full of pre-paid ad spots.

You've got a big staff. Start making them do actual webmaster work.

As for the rest of you....take your lips off of his plump ass for 2 seconds. He isn't gonna hire you or buy your shit.

[Roald]

Here we go again.....

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Roald

Here we go again.....

I had a few minutes to kill. lol

You should be pretty happy too. These recent actions are going to be beneficial to Freeones and all legitimate real free sites.

[mpahlca]

Who says Manwin doesn't already review uploads?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mpahlca

Who says Manwin doesn't already review uploads?

Fabian did in his discussion with me right here on GFY. He stated that they could not review them because he would violate DMCA

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by mpahlca

Who says Manwin doesn't already review uploads?

If they do then they lose 'safe harbour' provisions. It's their supposed 'ignorance' of who/what is being uploaded that keeps the DMCA off their ass. Robbie is, essentially, correct but will Fabien et al do what XVideos is doing? Maybe.

I don't have issues with the tubes as I am a Content Partner already and they have been really good to me/for me, but if they cleaned out ALL the 'questionable' uploads they wouldn't lose traffic and our paysite sales would go up.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Fabian did in his discussion with me right here on GFY. He stated that they could not review them because he would violate DMCA

It would and XVideos is. In fact, XVideos will be responsible for every video on their site from now own if they actually moderate these one at a time. Verify ownership, verify age, keep documents, etc. They are no longer service providers and are now publishers.

No idea how Canada looks at this stuff but that's US law.

Also, all this time bitching about user uploaded videos on the tubes... I would almost wager that their hardcore banners didn't come with 2257 documents and that they were approved by the staff before being published.

Cheers

[borked]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Fabian did in his discussion with me right here on GFY. He stated that they could not review them because he would violate DMCA

And of course he doesn't want to since it would negate his fingerprint cash cow idea.... he has fingerprinted all videos uploaded to his sites (isn't that already a sort of dmca violation?), so it's easy for him to charge others to add X number of videos to check against and if they are present, overlay ads or something.

In the meantime, the rest of us have to fingerprint all his sites as well as others just to be able to offer the same to everyone for free. Bleh, up to 2million fingerprinted tube vids and processing at ~25-50k/day.

One is trying to profit from pirated content, the other is trying to prevent pirated content.

Just in case anyone reading this is actually using his fingerprint service - you are being taken for a ride... I could fingerprint your entire video collection in under an hour and cross check that against my 2x10^6 tube fingerprints (all of manwins tubes btw are in there) in about what, 60 seconds for 5000 of your videos? *You are being taken for a ride*

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I am a Content Partner already

Isn't that just ridiculous the way you have to be a "content partner" instead of them being one of your affiliates?

I mean...the reality is...they ARE an affiliate in that scenario. But in typical lazy tube style...they can't even get off their asses and hunt down the programs they want to promote and sign up themselves.

The lack of webmaster work and skills on these autopilot script tube sites is incredulous to me.

[borked]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I don't have issues with the tubes as I am a Content Partner already and they have been really good to me/for me, but if they cleaned out ALL the 'questionable' uploads they wouldn't lose traffic and our paysite sales would go up.

read my reply above - you are being taken for a ride... I can tell you already if your content is on their sites once your content is fingerprinted.

Damn the faster I can get this out as a package the better for everyone being ass-raped

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Isn't that just ridiculous the way you have to be a "content partner" instead of them being one of your affiliates?

I mean...the reality is...they ARE an affiliate in that scenario. But in typical lazy tube style...they can't even get off their asses and hunt down the programs they want to promote and sign up themselves.

The lack of webmaster work and skills on these autopilot script tube sites is incredulous to me.

That's because most of the people at these tube sites aren't "webmasters" in the sense that people who run blogs aren't really "webmasters" either. (Okay, running a Blog IS a site, even a paysite, but I'm talking about people who only know how to post a few paragraphs and pics and ads and that's it.)

I assume most of the bigger tubes spend the majority of their time on SEO, crunching numbers and handling/managing their massive traffic, not 'optimizing pages for max paysite sales' (which I think they should be doing).

Sooner or later, the tubes will have to manually review everything. Being a 'provider' hasn't worked for the torrent sites and it will only work so long for the tubes.

if you show naked people having sex on a website you own and run then sooner or later you will have to follow all the laws the rest of us have to follow (2257 etc). Just my two cents tho.

[borked]

just for the record, a digital fingerprint of a 30-min HD video takes up ~50KB of disk space.... and takes about a minute to fingerprint.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by borked

read my reply above - you are being taken for a ride... I can tell you already if your content is on their sites once your content is fingerprinted.

Damn the faster I can get this out as a package the better for everyone being ass-raped

No, all the content on their sites comes from ME, and if I find duplicate 'user submitted' uploads then i get those vids moved to my account, banners and links added, etc. I'm not using their fingerprint service, whatever the fuck that is. LOL

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by Roald

Here we go again.....

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Fabian did in his discussion with me right here on GFY. He stated that they could not review them because he would violate DMCA

did you talk to him at internext show?

[Dirty F]

Robbie has the power to change this industry with just a few words. That's how important he is.
I bet Fabian will make him CEO anytime soon.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by borked

just for the record, a digital fingerprint of a 30-min HD video takes up ~50KB of disk space.... and takes about a minute to fingerprint.

Incredible... How did you do that?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Incredible... How did you do that?

Borked is a sharp guy. I have a lot of respect for him. Not the average b.s. talker on GFY. He actually has skills and backs it up.

[V_RocKs]

Nothing to do with megaupload and everything to do with videarn.com.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Nothing to do with megaupload and everything to do with videarn.com.

Whats with that site, first time I see it

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by borked

just for the record, a digital fingerprint of a 30-min HD video takes up ~50KB of disk space.... and takes about a minute to fingerprint.

Hey did you ever finish that video / audio splitter you were working on? That would help against site rips

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Nothing to do with megaupload and everything to do with videarn.com.

And more importantly...everything to do with illegit tube sites full of content that doesn't belong to them finally facing the music.

Anybody that owns a big tube site (and most of them are in Fabian's hands now) had better be making some big changes.

If not...they could be next. The dominoes are falling (finally). Hiding behind the DMCA law and getting rich while fucking over everybody else in this industry is no longer a "business model"

Time for these assholes to start RUNNING their websites, making sure that they have the actual 2257 links for each and every vid and making sure that the proper affiliate codes are on them and that none are stolen.

Copyright infringement can not take place once the DMCA shield is taken away. And that is as good as gone if you want to stay in the porn business.

[borked]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Incredible... How did you do that?

Fabien knows... he actually let slip in his thread when he announced his fingerprinting thing and so I took to it to find out. It took me about 8-10months to figure it out, a month to implement and it's been done ever since. Been fingerprinting the tubes since end of october - that's the shitty thing cos it means my script has to actually "watch" the video (even on fast forward), so it takes ages over the internet, which is why it's taking time to fingerprint everything (and a shit load of bandwidth, but that's free atm from my sponsor). ---edit to add, this is what *pisses* me off about Fabien's position. The videos on his tubes are on his server, so it takes no time at all to fingerprint, but he opens it up in the reverse way... Come on fabien, simply open up your fingerprints in an open gesture to be more open....

Anyway, that's all running in the background 24/7 and in the meantime, it's getting all packaged up into a bigger deal. Cos here lies the problem - making a package that everyone can use... if you gave me your collection for example, I can login, install the software and figerprint your collection in what, 24 hours. So that's the idea - make a cms with other stuff I've got (pirate-free streaming, embedded IDs for downloads, embedded IDs for photos etc etc) - all stuff I've got working, just not working for the mass public - so that the end user can use the cms as a cms and all the while in the background can make sure their content isn't on the tubes by simple sending fingerprints of your content to my servers that hold the fingerprints of all the tubes I've crawled, which will let you know if your content is there. Similar idea for the photos, if you remember that project you helped me with on identifying stolen photos...

I found a way to make the impractical, practical. So I'm heading toward that... fairly advanced atm, and it's been a long slog, but it's getting there. The hard work has been done thanks to people like you, robby, dwb who have all helped me hone my skills. Now I just want to get it all packaged together to give something back.

[borked]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Hey did you ever finish that video / audio splitter you were working on? That would help against site rips

see my post just above

[Robbie]

Borked...you are a very impressive guy.

[borked]

Thanks Robbie. It means a lot that there are a few decent people left because without it I wouldn't be interested in doing it. The place has become overrun with sharks and bandits and thieves, so just trying to put my knowledge to some good to try to level the playing field.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by borked

I found a way to make the impractical, practical. So I'm heading toward that... fairly advanced atm, and it's been a long slog, but it's getting there. The hard work has been done thanks to people like you, robby, dwb who have all helped me hone my skills. Now I just want to get it all packaged together to give something back.

Very impressive, thanks for letting us know the current status of your project. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to finish with it soon, at least I know of a one thing that's going on that will be able to give it a huge boost in about a month from now.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Borked...you are a very impressive guy.

I agree.

Originally Posted by borked

Thanks Robbie. It means a lot that there are a few decent people left because without it I wouldn't be interested in doing it. The place has become overrun with sharks and bandits and thieves, so just trying to put my knowledge to some good to try to level the playing field.

Its good to still have people like you man..

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by borked

Thanks Robbie. It means a lot that there are a few decent people left because without it I wouldn't be interested in doing it. The place has become overrun with sharks and bandits and thieves, so just trying to put my knowledge to some good to try to level the playing field.

Hey Borked, will this be a stand alone CMS, or be able to integrate into existing ones like MAS and Elevated X etc?

Can't wait to see this come out.

[The Porn Nerd]

Best of luck Borked. Impressive indeed.

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Borked...you are a very impressive guy.

Definitely knows what he's talking about.

[Mr Cheeks]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I didn't see that first thread by Eric.

And when I read what x videso was doing, I thought to myself..."This is what I told Fabian he should do and what a double talking bullshit artist Fabian is"
When I told him that he should start doing the same thing AND linking to the correct paysite of every video on his tube sites...he told me that he couldn't do that because I didn't "understand" DMCA law.

It was a bullshit answer on his part. And I hope he gets his ass in a ton of trouble over those tube sites.

One side of his mouth told me that the tube sites were only a "small" part of the income flow to Manwin.
Then the other side of his mouth said that he couldn't change anything because he's afraid to lose traffic to them.

And the whole dumb ass "partner programs" on tubes?

How about this Fabian...there already IS a "partner" program. It's called every site you have content on your tubes just happens to have an AFFILIATE program for YOU to join.

This clown expects people to go to his tube site and actually do all of that work for him too in getting him signed up as an affiliate! So us content producers are already the ones who created the content that got him the traffic, then he monetized it with prepaid cams, dating, whitelabel, etc. and THEN he wants us to do everything else for him too. lol

Here's a clue: Fabian...stop taking stolen content and making money off of it.
Start signing up for affiliate programs and promoting the paysites WITHOUT a spammed up page full of pre-paid ad spots.

You've got a big staff. Start making them do actual webmaster work.

As for the rest of you....take your lips off of his plump ass for 2 seconds. He isn't gonna hire you or buy your shit.

totally agree. they've been trying to legitimize pure content theft via some bullshit dmca loopholes

[porno jew]

youtube screens uploads and is still dmca compliant.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Nothing to do with megaupload and everything to do with videarn.com.

xvideos owns videarn?

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by borked

see my post just above

emailed you

[ry0t]

I wonder when xvideos upload will be back up?

[takehersleazy]

I've found the other tube sites do way better for us than xVideos so hopefully they either figure it out and put something on the market that works for content owners. Although from the sounds of this thread that doesn't sound likely.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by takehersleazy

I've found the other tube sites do way better for us than xVideos so hopefully they either figure it out and put something on the market that works for content owners. Although from the sounds of this thread that doesn't sound likely.

There's really no need to "figure it out".

The model has already been in place for the last 20 years online.

They could simply do what I do. Go sign up for 500 + sponsors and then match each and every video to the proper paysite with affiliate code linked.

You know...the same way that we always worked a free site.

The problem is they are lazy and don't see the need to do anything when they make so much money off prepaid ad spots.

Recent legal actions around the globe are changing that. Not only would I be worried to run a site like that...but I'd be worried about being an advertiser associated with it or a hosting company hosting it.

[seeme]

If anyone was using them, why not try http://www.pornhost.com

We let you upload and embed to your website.