How big a piracy problem is Usenet? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

ottopottomouse · 02-26-2012, 04:12 AM

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...I wrongly assumed...

When you can stop doing that you might learn something.

DamianJ · 02-26-2012, 04:16 AM

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Obviously Damian is now saying that closing all other forms of piracy will not result in more use of Usenet.

Where do I say that? You cannot close any forms of piracy.

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So he's now in favor of closing the other forms, as it will reduce piracy.

Where do I say that, you cannot close any forms of piracy.

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I wrongly assumed Damian with his replies was intimating control would have no effect. Silly me.

I accept your apology. I know you don't quite understand this 30 year old technology, but I am here to try and explain it to you.

10 TB a day being uploaded is a lot, isn't it!

Shall we do an IRC lesson now?

Do you really miss me pwning you so much that now you are just lying about what I say in order to get me to post in your threads?

Fuck, that's tragic.

It's Sunday man. Your wife isn't at work, and your kid isn't at school. And you are just say there lying about me rather than making the most of the last few months you've got alive?

Sad, sad, sad day.

Paul Markham · 02-26-2012, 01:04 PM

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Where do I say that? You cannot close any forms of piracy.

Where do I say that, you cannot close any forms of piracy.

Maybe you would like to tell us what you are saying then.

Is it that closing the funding of file lockers will have no effect on piracy because they will move to other forms like Usenet?

Is it that closing the funding of file lockers will have no effect on piracy because they will not move to other forms like Usenet?

Is it that closing the funding of piracy will have no effect on piracy because they will move to other forms like Usenet?

Is it that closing the funding of piracy will have no effect on piracy because they will not move to other forms like Usenet?

What are you saying?

Can you see why so many think you are a pirate because of your anti stance for any type of legislation to stop it? The wasting time is ironic coming from you as you waste time.

The family were out all afternoon. Had a nap, not they're watching "Czech has talent and I don't like it as much as showing you up.

Where's your wife?

helterskelter808 · 02-26-2012, 04:07 PM

FWIW, I don't think Usenet is a significant element of online piracy, and that process of Usenet being eclipsed started with Napster in the late 90s, followed by Kazaa and other p2p software. I'd guess torrenting makes up by far the vast proportion of piracy, and has done for many years, followed by file lockers.

The increased volume of posts on Usenet has occurred not because there are more pirates, but simply the advent of cable internet like @home in mid/late 90s, and further broadband development around the world in the 2000s, made it much easier for people to flood Usenet with files.

The number of actual Usenet users/pirates has likely plummeted in the last decade, thanks to free and easy alternatives like p2p and file lockers. In terms of numbers of users/pirates, which is the only thing that counts, Usenet is a drop in the bucket of online piracy.

Paul Markham · 02-27-2012, 12:53 AM

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FWIW, I don't think Usenet is a significant element of online piracy, and that process of Usenet being eclipsed started with Napster in the late 90s, followed by Kazaa and other p2p software. I'd guess torrenting makes up by far the vast proportion of piracy, and has done for many years, followed by file lockers.

The increased volume of posts on Usenet has occurred not because there are more pirates, but simply the advent of cable internet like @home in mid/late 90s, and further broadband development around the world in the 2000s, made it much easier for people to flood Usenet with files.

The number of actual Usenet users/pirates has likely plummeted in the last decade, thanks to free and easy alternatives like p2p and file lockers. In terms of numbers of users/pirates, which is the only thing that counts, Usenet is a drop in the bucket of online piracy.

I agree with you today. Will Usenet become larger if other forms of piracy are hit?

jay23 · 02-27-2012, 01:35 AM

Any one remember the days on Usenet when you have to save the base64 text file, join them in VI then convert it all using vt100 and then open it up on the SunOS sparc box to view it. It will take about 5 min to view one image but in college days that was fun....this is about 25 years ago.

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 01:59 AM

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Maybe you would like to tell us what you are saying then.

I was explaining to you how Usenet works, because it gets 10TB uploaded a day and you'd not heard of it and had now clue how it worked.

I was explaining that the majority of piracy is done by people for lulz, not for money. And that if you somehow removed the money aspect from piracy, it would still continue because most people involved aren't doing it for the money.

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The family were out all afternoon.

So on the one day you can all have together they choose to leave you alone.

kane · 02-27-2012, 02:03 AM

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I was explaining to you how Usenet works, because it gets 10TB uploaded a day and you'd not heard of it and had now clue how it worked.

I was explaining that the majority of piracy is done by people for lulz, not for money. And that if you somehow removed the money aspect from piracy, it would still continue because most people involved aren't doing it for the money.

So on the one day you can all have together they choose to leave you alone.

But if you took away the sites that easily facilitate piracy's ability to make money it would make it harder for those people that are just doing it for fun to actually carry it out. They still could and likely would find some way to do it, but it would make it harder and it might make it so that the average person wasn't able to pirate stuff as easily as they are today.

Paul Markham · 02-27-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I was explaining to you how Usenet works, because it gets 10TB uploaded a day and you'd not heard of it and had now clue how it worked.

I was explaining that the majority of piracy is done by people for lulz, not for money. And that if you somehow removed the money aspect from piracy, it would still continue because most people involved aren't doing it for the money.

So in your opinion, would those on other forms of piracy sites today, move to Usenet or not. If those other forms would close?

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So on the one day you can all have together they choose to leave you alone.

Only for a few hours.

I find it amazing that someone who is still working has so much time to get into pointless debates with me, DVTimes, Gary, Refund on another board and anyone I missed. Telling me to spend less time on GFY .

Kane, I wonder if he will answer you or me. Or comeback with a post saying nothing. Again.

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 07:02 AM

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But if you took away the sites that easily facilitate piracy's ability to make money it would make it harder for those people that are just doing it for fun to actually carry it out.

How? They would carry on doing it on private ftps, torrents, usenet, irc, forums etc.

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 07:05 AM

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So in your opinion, would those on other forms of piracy sites today, move to Usenet or not. If those other forms would close?

I've got no idea. What does it matter where they go to, they will go somewhere. History has proven that. Remember Napster?

The point is that you think removing the money will stop piracy. I am trying to explain to you that by far the majority of piracy is nothing about money.

Anyway, I don't get the concern, you always said piracy has little to no impact on porn sales. Have you changed your mind or are you just trolling?

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Paul Markham · 02-27-2012, 08:22 AM

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How? They would carry on doing it on private ftps, torrents, usenet, irc, forums etc.

Well good luck them finding it with all the financial support gone. You have to think of a world where the finances to put up a piracy search engine and run it are gone or get very expensive. A pirate will need to find it under his own steam. Of course it depends on the length the law goes to. As pirates dodge the bullet, laws will get stricter and stricter. Then some will tell us it's the fault of the Governments.

I blame Governments for not letting me drive pissed out of my brain at 120 MPH on a side road. fucking dictatorial Governments we have. And why can't I shoot you?

It will have little effect on the porn business. We love to give it away. For other industries it will have an effect. Unless you know more than all the other industry leaders spending time and money to get it reduced.

Maybe you are better educated in piracy than these people. Ego getting the better of you or the truth?

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 08:28 AM

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Well good luck them finding it with all the financial support gone.

They will find it the same way they have done since the first file was traded Paul.

This whole making big money thing with piracy has only been going on very very recently.

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You have to think of a world where the finances to put up a piracy search engine and run it are gone or get very expensive.

Google seems to work pretty well?

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It will have little effect on the porn business.

Ah cool. Glad to see you and I can finally agree on something.

So everything in this thread is moot really. Good. Let's move on.

kane · 02-27-2012, 12:59 PM

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How? They would carry on doing it on private ftps, torrents, usenet, irc, forums etc.

Well, it is pretty simple. If you remember back to the late 90's early 2000's there was still piracy, but it wasn't easy to find things. You had to have some knowledge and ability to find stuff. It was ICR channels and Warez sites and things that had tons of spyware and viruses that you had to deal with. If you knew what you were doing and where to look you could find stuff, but not like today and there was a dozen fake files for every real one. Today you can type the name of any movie, song or album + the word torrent and google spits back a dozen sites with what you are looking for. Those sites tell you step by step how to use them. It is very easy. I know it is too easy because I know a few people who know next to nothing about computers and even they know how to download something from a torrent.

If those torrent sites have no way of making money they will go away. As you say many people pirate just for the fun of it or the desire not to pay, but the big sites operate out of a desire to make money. When that ability is gone they are going to close up shop.

If a forum can't make money, it won't exist. If a torrent site can't make money it will not exist. If you add into that companies going after sites legally it is likely people would not run a torrent site or forum or something like that as a hobby that makes no money and also puts that at legal risk. There would still be other avenues, but it could make it something that is harder for the average person to find. Those people may then again become a paying customer.

I will give you an exact case in point. I have a friend who is a movie nut. He loves movies and owns a ton of DVDS. He now downloads everything he wants to see and admits that he hasn't paid for a movie in more than a few years. His computer knowledge is limited, but he knows how to easily find the movies he wants to watch. When I asked him what it would take for him to go back to how he used to be when he bought a lot of movies he said the only way would be if he could no longer easily download stuff. If it were hard to find and he couldn't download it, he likely would go back to being someone who paid for the movies he wanted to see.

By taking away the ways the pirating sites can make money it could greatly limit the number of them out there and thus make it difficult for the average person to download stuff. Sure, the hardcore pirates will still exist, but likely Jane the soccer mom and Bob the mechanic who have little knowledge of how these things work would have a harder time finding stuff to download and could go back to paying for it like they did before.

Paul Markham · 02-27-2012, 03:47 PM

Kane. Damian knows more than all the big multi national corporations trying to reduce piracy. These people really need to ask him first. He gets all his info from pirate bay,

I have always said it will have little effect on porn, again you just ignore it. Still not a moot point. It will be good for a few and for real industries, not this side show.

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02-26-2012, 04:07 PM	#54
helterskelter808 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,405	FWIW, I don't think Usenet is a significant element of online piracy, and that process of Usenet being eclipsed started with Napster in the late 90s, followed by Kazaa and other p2p software. I'd guess torrenting makes up by far the vast proportion of piracy, and has done for many years, followed by file lockers. The increased volume of posts on Usenet has occurred not because there are more pirates, but simply the advent of cable internet like @home in mid/late 90s, and further broadband development around the world in the 2000s, made it much easier for people to flood Usenet with files. The number of actual Usenet users/pirates has likely plummeted in the last decade, thanks to free and easy alternatives like p2p and file lockers. In terms of numbers of users/pirates, which is the only thing that counts, Usenet is a drop in the bucket of online piracy.

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jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	Any one remember the days on Usenet when you have to save the base64 text file, join them in VI then convert it all using vt100 and then open it up on the SunOS sparc box to view it. It will take about 5 min to view one image but in college days that was fun....this is about 25 years ago.