And yet another reason why private business is better than the government.... - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 03-14-2012, 12:48 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygree...iest-software/

"Study Confirms The Government Produces The Buggiest Software

Humans aren?t generally very good at writing secure code. But it seems they?re even worse at it when they?re an employee of a government bureaucracy or hired as unaccountable federal contractors.

In a talk at the Black Hat Europe security conference in Amsterdam later this week, security researcher and chief technology officer of bug-hunting firm Veracode Chris Wysopal plans to give a talk breaking down the company?s analysis of 9,910 software applications over the second half of 2010 and 2011, automatically scanning them for errors that a hacker can be use to compromise a website or a user?s PC. And one result of that analysis is that government software developers are allowing significantly more hackable security flaws to find their way into their code than their private industry counterparts.

According to Veracode?s analysis across industry and government, fully eight out of ten apps failed to fully live up to the company?s security criteria. But breaking down the results between U.S. government and private sector software, the government programs, 80% of which were built for federal agencies rather than state or local, came out worse. Measuring its collection of apps against the standards of the Open Web Application Security Project or OWASP, Veracode found that only 16% of government web applications were secure, compared with 24% of finance industry software and 28% of commercial software. And using criteria of the security-focused education group SANS to gauge offline applications, the study found that 18% of government apps passed, compared with 28% of finance industry apps and 34% of commercial software.

?The government acts like security is the problem of the commercial sector and they?re going to regulate everyone,? says Veracode?s Wysopal. ?But if you look at this, private industry is definitely ahead of government.?

Wizzo · 03-14-2012, 12:53 PM

You thread title is like saying "another reason why putting your dick in a vagina is better than a meat grinder" lol

Tom_PM · 03-14-2012, 12:55 PM

I just can't bring myself to buy into the notion that it's an either/or proposition. Either government OR private business is a political talking point, isn't it really?

sperbonzo · 03-14-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I just can't bring myself to buy into the notion that it's an either/or proposition. Either government OR private business is a political talking point, isn't it really?

I'm not saying it's either/or, I'm just saying that when it comes to innovation, the free market / Private industry are always better than the government. Yet we want to put government in charge of things like internet security.

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kane · 03-14-2012, 01:07 PM

A friend of mine works for an engineering company. Last week they met with government officials who were going hire them to help with an energy project. One of the things the company has is a couple of apps they can modify to work well for the government energy agency (it is a dam). They explain the apps and are asked about support for the apps. The company tells them that they can provide support (for a fee of course) or they can train the dam's support staff to deal with it. The guy from the dam tells them that his IT guys don't want to have to put out the effort to learn and support this so they will just hire the company to do that.

If this were the real world and your IT people couldn't be bothered to do their job and because of this you were going to have to pay out potentially tens of thousands of dollars per year you would likely fire those people. Not with the government, they just spend out money like it is no big deal.

Lucy - CSC · 03-14-2012, 01:08 PM

Well Mr. Sperbonzo you will be glad to hear us Brits wont have to put up with that awfull concept you call 'Socialised Medicine' anymore as that was sent over to the private sector as well so we can all enjoy your wonderfull private health care.

Lucy - CSC · 03-14-2012, 01:14 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011...victims-winter

How about this one? 2700 dead in the UK because they cant afford fuel bills? Didnt happen when the energy companies were run by the government for the people. Most of these people defended this country from the Germans for us.

Keep up with your pro-capitalist/anti-socialism posting.

Lucy - CSC · 03-14-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Umm you just lied. Its a GOVERNMENT report saying that 2,700 people WILL die if you don't give the government more power. C'mon now, stop lying...

Again, it's not a free market so please dont BLAME the free market

How did I lie?

Try this one then

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/879132-a...-inquiry-finds

Energy supply in the UK is a free market. It used to be controlled for the people by the government and fuel bills were much cheaper and free to those who were classed as in need.

Lucy - CSC · 03-14-2012, 01:24 PM

So how would the free market help those who couldnt pay? It wouldnt the free market is there to make one thing and that is profit.

tony286 · 03-14-2012, 01:30 PM

yep another example of letting the private sector do it.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...sentence_n.htm

sperbonzo · 03-14-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Well Mr. Sperbonzo you will be glad to hear us Brits wont have to put up with that awfull concept you call 'Socialised Medicine' anymore as that was sent over to the private sector as well so we can all enjoy your wonderfull private health care.

I lived in the UK for 4 years, I dealt with the way government ran things like the telephone company, and healthcare, and getting power hooked up, etc... Apparently, according to friends there, things like telephone service, and so forth, have gotten better since there was some privatization...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...treatment.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ts-cancer-bias

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...o-private.html

... but no matter what side of the issue you fall on, please don't blame me for how things are in YOUR country. (although, come to think of it, I'm a Jew, so as you always say, we 0.25% of the world population do run the whole planet... I guess it IS my fault after all!

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BFT3K · 03-14-2012, 01:33 PM

I'm just happy we aren't using the GOVERNMENT CREATED INTERNET to discuss this.

Anarchy Now! Death To The Extremists!

(oh the irony)

tony286 · 03-14-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I lived in the UK for 4 years, I dealt with the way government ran things like the telephone company, and healthcare, and getting power hooked up, etc... Apparently, according to friends there, things like telephone service, and so forth, have gotten better since there was some privatization...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...treatment.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ts-cancer-bias

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...o-private.html

... but no matter what side of the issue you fall on, please don't blame me for how things are in YOUR country. (although, come to think of it, I'm a Jew, so as you always say, we 0.25% of the world population do run the whole planet... I guess it IS my fault after all!

).

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My father had a heart attack in the uk while on business many years ago, got excellent care and it didnt cost him a nickle.

sperbonzo · 03-14-2012, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I'm just happy we aren't using the GOVERNMENT CREATED INTERNET to discuss this.

Anarchy Now! Death To The Extremists!

(oh the irony)

You don't remember life under government run telephone, but I do....

... in any case, if the government hadn't happened to have started it up when they did, for military reasons, the civilian world would have had it soon. And I'm willing to bet that they would have built it out faster, and with better flexibility.

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sperbonzo · 03-14-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

My father had a heart attack in the uk while on business many years ago, got excellent care and it didnt cost him a nickle.

I guess it was a good thing that it was a heart attack... not cancer.

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(Please don't read any disrespect into that, I'm glad your father was ok)

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u-Bob · 03-14-2012, 02:32 PM

Reminds me of a report Sophos published a year or 2 ago. Based on their research the most dangerous sites to visit (highest chance of getting infected with malware) were government operated websites

MattO · 03-14-2012, 02:35 PM

I just completed a project for the State Department I hope it ain't buggy.

tony286 · 03-14-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I guess it was a good thing that it was a heart attack... not cancer.

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(Please don't read any disrespect into that, I'm glad your father was ok)

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Michael I never read disrespect in what you write. I have too much respect for you. My dad died of cancer here in the good ole USA. His care was decided by ins bureaucratic's. They had him first on the old shitty chemo, they didnt decide to give him the newest cancer med til it was too late. I cant help thinking the 2k a month cost helped it being last on the list to give to him when it was way too late. He was a card carrying RNC member and I miss him everyday.

Tom_PM · 03-14-2012, 02:59 PM

Well, it's still a strange thing to me because back in the old days, the government needed some things from IBM, but since IBM is private and not answering to the gov, they had to create a special division. IBM Federal Systems Division was born. Doing work exclusively for the gov.

So I still think that there's no natural impetus to even be discussing why one is better than the other. The entire notion of one better than the other is entirely manufactured by politicians to sway votes. I'm not on "one side or the other" because there is no one side or the other. I dunno, it's just an odd slant to an article that can stand alone I guess.

Lucy - CSC · 03-14-2012, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I lived in the UK for 4 years, I dealt with the way government ran things like the telephone company, and healthcare, and getting power hooked up, etc... Apparently, according to friends there, things like telephone service, and so forth, have gotten better since there was some privatization...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...treatment.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ts-cancer-bias

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...o-private.html

... but no matter what side of the issue you fall on, please don't blame me for how things are in YOUR country. (although, come to think of it, I'm a Jew, so as you always say, we 0.25% of the world population do run the whole planet... I guess it IS my fault after all!

).

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When did you live in the UK?

If you think your version of health care in any way is better than ours you are insane.

Lucy - CSC · 03-14-2012, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I'm not saying it's either/or, I'm just saying that when it comes to innovation, the free market / Private industry are always better than the government. Yet we want to put government in charge of things like internet security.

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You are to funny. You are writing on a message board on the Internet which is utilising the World Wide Web technology that Government lacks innovation.

Just think about what you have done and how it really does make you retard of the decade.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-14-2012, 07:47 PM

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[V]eracode found that only 16% of government web applications were secure, compared with 24% of finance industry software and 28% of commercial software ...

That just proves all software is insecure ... Interesting, no breakdown of the software's operating system porting ....

sperbonzo · 03-15-2012, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

When did you live in the UK?

If you think your version of health care in any way is better than ours you are insane.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

You are to funny. You are writing on a message board on the Internet which is utilising the World Wide Web technology that Government lacks innovation.

Just think about what you have done and how it really does make you retard of the decade.

I lived in the UK for 4 years in the late 70s, I still have many friends there that I talk to all the time, and I have gone back often.
How long were you in the US?

I disagree with you, therefore I'm "insane", and a "retard". Are you 12 years old?

As for your contentions about government "innovation", all I can say is that there are none so blind....

*sigh*

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Lucy - CSC · 03-15-2012, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I disagree with you, therefore I'm "insane", and a "retard". Are you 12 years old?

As for your contentions about government "innovation", all I can say is that there are none so blind....

*sigh*

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You still dont get it do you? The Internet and the World Wide Web were government projects not private business. Private business just came in and capitalised on it once government had funded it.

You posted on a message board which is on the Internet how government lacks inovation.

Cant you see how dumb that is?

SuckOnThis · 03-15-2012, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You don't remember life under government run telephone, but I do....

... in any case, if the government hadn't happened to have started it up when they did, for military reasons, the civilian world would have had it soon. And I'm willing to bet that they would have built it out faster, and with better flexibility.

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So you are saying the private sector would have built the internet backbones faster if the govt didnt do it first? What?

Paul · 03-15-2012, 10:11 PM

Lucy - CSC who's that girl in your Avatar?

03-14-2012, 12:48 PM	#1
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	And yet another reason why private business is better than the government.... http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygree...iest-software/ "Study Confirms The Government Produces The Buggiest Software Humans aren?t generally very good at writing secure code. But it seems they?re even worse at it when they?re an employee of a government bureaucracy or hired as unaccountable federal contractors. In a talk at the Black Hat Europe security conference in Amsterdam later this week, security researcher and chief technology officer of bug-hunting firm Veracode Chris Wysopal plans to give a talk breaking down the company?s analysis of 9,910 software applications over the second half of 2010 and 2011, automatically scanning them for errors that a hacker can be use to compromise a website or a user?s PC. And one result of that analysis is that government software developers are allowing significantly more hackable security flaws to find their way into their code than their private industry counterparts. According to Veracode?s analysis across industry and government, fully eight out of ten apps failed to fully live up to the company?s security criteria. But breaking down the results between U.S. government and private sector software, the government programs, 80% of which were built for federal agencies rather than state or local, came out worse. Measuring its collection of apps against the standards of the Open Web Application Security Project or OWASP, Veracode found that only 16% of government web applications were secure, compared with 24% of finance industry software and 28% of commercial software. And using criteria of the security-focused education group SANS to gauge offline applications, the study found that 18% of government apps passed, compared with 28% of finance industry apps and 34% of commercial software. ?The government acts like security is the problem of the commercial sector and they?re going to regulate everyone,? says Veracode?s Wysopal. ?But if you look at this, private industry is definitely ahead of government.? __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I just can't bring myself to buy into the notion that it's an either/or proposition. Either government OR private business is a political talking point, isn't it really? __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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Lucy - CSC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 490	Well Mr. Sperbonzo you will be glad to hear us Brits wont have to put up with that awfull concept you call 'Socialised Medicine' anymore as that was sent over to the private sector as well so we can all enjoy your wonderfull private health care. __________________ Dear USA, Your 9/11 is our 24/7, Sincerely Palestine xx

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Lucy - CSC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 490	http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011...victims-winter How about this one? 2700 dead in the UK because they cant afford fuel bills? Didnt happen when the energy companies were run by the government for the people. Most of these people defended this country from the Germans for us. Keep up with your pro-capitalist/anti-socialism posting. __________________ Dear USA, Your 9/11 is our 24/7, Sincerely Palestine xx

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	A friend of mine works for an engineering company. Last week they met with government officials who were going hire them to help with an energy project. One of the things the company has is a couple of apps they can modify to work well for the government energy agency (it is a dam). They explain the apps and are asked about support for the apps. The company tells them that they can provide support (for a fee of course) or they can train the dam's support staff to deal with it. The guy from the dam tells them that his IT guys don't want to have to put out the effort to learn and support this so they will just hire the company to do that. If this were the real world and your IT people couldn't be bothered to do their job and because of this you were going to have to pay out potentially tens of thousands of dollars per year you would likely fire those people. Not with the government, they just spend out money like it is no big deal.

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Lucy - CSC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 490	So how would the free market help those who couldnt pay? It wouldnt the free market is there to make one thing and that is profit. __________________ Dear USA, Your 9/11 is our 24/7, Sincerely Palestine xx

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	yep another example of letting the private sector do it. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...sentence_n.htm

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	I'm just happy we aren't using the GOVERNMENT CREATED INTERNET to discuss this. Anarchy Now! Death To The Extremists! (oh the irony)

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u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	Reminds me of a report Sophos published a year or 2 ago. Based on their research the most dangerous sites to visit (highest chance of getting infected with malware) were government operated websites

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MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	I just completed a project for the State Department I hope it ain't buggy.

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Well, it's still a strange thing to me because back in the old days, the government needed some things from IBM, but since IBM is private and not answering to the gov, they had to create a special division. IBM Federal Systems Division was born. Doing work exclusively for the gov. So I still think that there's no natural impetus to even be discussing why one is better than the other. The entire notion of one better than the other is entirely manufactured by politicians to sway votes. I'm not on "one side or the other" because there is no one side or the other. I dunno, it's just an odd slant to an article that can stand alone I guess. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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