Cops taser man to death over stolen biscuits...

[georgeyw]

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The current/acting police chief had this to say:

"I think it is very presumptuous for anyone to determine the cause of death is a Taser simply because it's occurred in an incident where a Taser has been utilised," he said.

Not sure how that is presumptuous - the taser was either the direct cause or it triggered off something else. Either way it was the taser.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

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The current/acting police chief had this to say:



Not sure how that is presumptuous - the taser was either the direct cause or it triggered off something else. Either way it was the taser.

Those American cops are out of control?

oh wait...

[2012]

Originally Posted by Dvae

Those American cops are out of control?

oh wait...

speaking of American cops ... what's next cattle prod ?

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by Dvae

Those American cops are out of control?

oh wait...

American cops were training the Aussie cop on how to subdue an alleged criminal properly.

Explains everything

[AllAboutCams]

every time had had to deal with aussie cops it does my fucking head in

[bronco67]

All I can think about is those sweet biscuits. I'm kind of hungry.

[EddyTheDog]

Lots more to the story than you have quoted.

"He said that the guy went inside the shop asking for help," Mr Al Ghazo said. "He wanted to get away from someone who wanted to kill him. He did not want any money, he wanted protection. He took a packet of biscuits."

Lets face it he was not your typical shoplifter looking for a lunchtime snack.

If you are talking about 'excessive force', remember Aussie police carry guns.

[martinsc]

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Lots more to the story than you have quoted.



Lets face it he was not your typical shoplifter looking for a lunchtime snack.

If you are talking about 'excessive force', remember Aussie police carry guns.

No shit, hence me linking to it. I was interested in the stand in police chief denouncing that a taser was the cause.

Guns are not drawn and fired as frequently as tasers.

Tasers are looked at as a 'non-lethal' way to subdue someone, however people can and do die from being tasered.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

No shit, hence me linking to it. I was interested in the stand in police chief denouncing that a taser was the cause.

Guns are not drawn and fired as frequently as tasers.

Tasers are looked at as a 'non-lethal' way to subdue someone, however people can and do die from being tasered.

People can die from anything. A person can die of a heart attack from the stress of a cop yelling and them and trying to cuff and arrest them. Shit happens. Doesn't mean the cop is wrong for screaming "get down on the ground" - he's just following normal procedure.

[Spunky]

Don't fuck with my biscuits bitch!

[papill0n]

well we have had cops here use a taser like 50 times on a guy so i better go read the story before i comment

oh wait...

[papill0n]

right heres what happened

the guy was seriously fried on meth - he was trippin big time

"someone is trying to kill me" = 100% definitely on drugs

making a scene and then running out with biscuits = clearly the guy didnt know what he was doing

dont think the cops needed to taze him - they certainly wouldnt have wanted to kill him

that being said its hard work being a cop and of all the shit that happens this just comes under the category of too bad for that guy

thank you for reading my concise and accurate view of the proceeedings here today

dismissed!

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People can die from anything. A person can die of a heart attack from the stress of a cop yelling and them and trying to cuff and arrest them. Shit happens. Doesn't mean the cop is wrong for screaming "get down on the ground" - he's just following normal procedure.

Yelling != electricity

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Yelling != electricity

You're making an assumption that a non lethal weapon, used as an alternative to shooting or beating someone caused someone to die as if people otherwise can't or do not die for any other reason. Of course, you aren't interested in an autopsy because your real point is to show that cops are bad and kill innocent people even though you have no facts or proof other than a wild assumption.

If people like you have problem with tasers which are used all over the world as an alternative to lethal force or actually having to beat someone with a baton, then develop a better method. It's really that simple.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You're making an assumption that a non lethal weapon, used as an alternative to shooting or beating someone caused someone to die as if people otherwise can't or do not die for any other reason. Of course, you aren't interested in an autopsy because your real point is to show that cops are bad and kill innocent people even though you have no facts or proof other than a wild assumption.

If people like you have problem with tasers which are used all over the world as an alternative to lethal force or actually having to beat someone with a baton, then develop a better method. It's really that simple.

Cops will taz people that are not wanting to sign the ticket and getting away with it.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Cops will taz people that are not wanting to sign the ticket and getting away with it.

Gee... who'd have thought the guy who is arrogant, combative and argumentative and refusing to comply with a police officer and starting to walk away/flee when being told he's under arrest and to get up against the car and put his hands behind his back, would ultimately get taken down by a taser gun and handcuffed?

Shocker................

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You're making an assumption that a non lethal weapon, used as an alternative to shooting or beating someone caused someone to die as if people otherwise can't or do not die for any other reason. Of course, you aren't interested in an autopsy because your real point is to show that cops are bad and kill innocent people even though you have no facts or proof other than a wild assumption.

If people like you have problem with tasers which are used all over the world as an alternative to lethal force or actually having to beat someone with a baton, then develop a better method. It's really that simple.

Wait hang on.

I am making a wild assumption that tasers can be lethal because a guy who *WAS* tasered by police died?



What about the other death mentioned in the article? Oct 2010 along with deaths in other states (article only refers to NSW)

How about we take into account the number of times the Police Chief says they use tasers "Amongst 16,000 police officers we are using the Taser less than once a day"

[raymor]

Rarely, Tasers can have complications. Often, meth has complications. A guy fried out on meth who also got tasered may have died from the meth overdose, the taser, the rat poison used in making the meth, or something else we don't know about yet. There simply isn't enough information to make any informed comment right now.

Maybe he was manifesting a threat to the cops, maybe he wasn't. We don't know yet. To pick any "side" with no useful information is to show that one doesn't care about the truth, just pushing an agenda with no factual basis whatsoever.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by raymor

Rarely, Tasers can have complications. Often, meth has complications. A guy fried out on meth who also got tasered may have died from the meth overdose, the taser, the rat poison used in making the meth, or something else we don't know about yet. There simply isn't enough information to make any informed comment right now.

Maybe he was manifesting a threat to the cops, maybe he wasn't. We don't know yet. To pick any "side" with no useful information is to show that one doesn't care about the truth, just pushing an agenda with no factual basis whatsoever.

that kinda is the situation here george

u do think he was probably off his scone mate ? or not ?

[raymor]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Wait hang on.

I am making a wild assumption that tasers can be lethal because a guy who *WAS* tasered by police died?

A guy who read GFY died. That doesn't mean GFY killed him.
A guy who wore a green hat died. That doesn't mean the green hat killed him.
A guy who was tasered and also apparently overdosed on drugs died. That doesn't mean the drugs killed him, or the taser.
That DOES mean it's time to find out what killed him, THEN put that information into proper perspective.

If his death was related to the taser + the drugs (heart attack?), then we compare how many lives are saved by the use of tasers with drugged out whackos. Depending on what we find, it MIGHT be reasonable to say one should try to avoid using a taser on someone who is fried on uppers because their heart is already stressed. That might be reasonable, totally depending on the facts. At this time, we don't yet know the facts.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Apparently stealing biscuits in front of the Police in Australia is tantamount to stealing donuts in front of the cops here...





ADG

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by raymor

A guy who read GFY died. That doesn't mean GFY killed him.
A guy who wore a green hat died. That doesn't mean the green hat killed him.
A guy who was tasered and also apparently overdosed on drugs died. That doesn't mean the drugs killed him, or the taser.
That DOES mean it's time to find out what killed him, THEN put that information into proper perspective.

If his death was related to the taser + the drugs (heart attack?), then we compare how many lives are saved by the use of tasers with drugged out whackos. Depending on what we find, it MIGHT be reasonable to say one should try to avoid using a taser on someone who is fried on uppers because their heart is already stressed. That might be reasonable, totally depending on the facts. At this time, we don't yet know the facts.

Ok i'll use your logic for a moment.

Guy drives his car into a guard rail at 100mph and dies.

Police find that had he been using bridgestone tyres instead of kumho's he would have lived.

Therefore speeding is not dangerous.

How about this.

Soldier gets shot dead in Iraq.

Armed forces find that if he were inside a tank at the time, he would be alive.

Therefore guns and bullets are not dangerous.

There is always a 'what if' factor in absolutely everything. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by papill0n

that kinda is the situation here george

u do think he was probably off his scone mate ? or not ?

Knowing where it happened, i'd say yes he probably was 'off his scone' You use to live in Australia didn't you or you do??

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Gee... who'd have thought the guy who is arrogant, combative and argumentative and refusing to comply with a police officer and starting to walk away/flee when being told he's under arrest and to get up against the car and put his hands behind his back, would ultimately get taken down by a taser gun and handcuffed?

Shocker................

So in your mind, he's not doing what he's told, so hurt him?

There is suppose to be respect for the police, not fear.

Weapons, lethal or non lethal are NOT suppose to be used to end an arguement, they are suppose to be used to defend themselves or others. Flee my ass, he turned around?

[bronco67]

The problem is too many cops who are scared little boys. Not saying I could do the job, because it has to be tough -- but this a man's job. If you have to pull a taser or gun out for everything, then you should find another line of work. Ideally, the police force should be chiseld down to the most physically formidable guys with rigorous testing of temperament.

Instead, we get women and little weenies who are scared of their own shadow and can't handle situations like this without resorting to hurting people.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by bronco67

The problem is too many cops who are scared little boys. Not saying I could do the job, because it has to be tough -- but this a man's job. If you have to pull a taser or gun out for everything, then you should find another line of work. Ideally, the police force should be chiseld down to the most physically formidable guys with rigorous testing of temperament.

Instead, we get women and little weenies who are scared of their own shadow and can't handle situations like this without resorting to hurting people.

My problem with the police is it use to be protect and serve, now it's harrass and fine. When they don't feel like dealing with it, they put you in jail, $3k to bail out, wait for 24 hours even then just to be thrown out in court.

[Rochard]

Don't care. Assault a police office when he is arresting you, you get bitch smacked. Sometimes it hurts.

[ajrocks]

One thing that transcends country and culture.... COPS SUCK BALLS

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People can die from anything. A person can die of a heart attack from the stress of a cop yelling and them and trying to cuff and arrest them. Shit happens. Doesn't mean the cop is wrong for screaming "get down on the ground" - he's just following normal procedure.

Why do right wingers always defend a police state and cops when they kill people?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So in your mind, he's not doing what he's told, so hurt him?

There is suppose to be respect for the police, not fear.

Weapons, lethal or non lethal are NOT suppose to be used to end an arguement, they are suppose to be used to defend themselves or others. Flee my ass, he turned around?

He's not complying and its the officers place to subdue him and cuff him and place him under arrest. He was told he was being placed under arrest, to get up against the car (after much argument prior) and refused and headed in the opposite direction.

Not tough to understand. Its not a cops job to pull over junkies, fugitives, hardcore drug dealers and cartel members and gang bangers and argue, debate and negotiate.

All the driver had to do was comply and say "yes sir" and "no sir". Its pretty easy to do.. i do it every time.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Ok i'll use your logic for a moment.

Guy drives his car into a guard rail at 100mph and dies.

Police find that had he been using bridgestone tyres instead of kumho's he would have lived.

Therefore speeding is not dangerous.

How about this.

Soldier gets shot dead in Iraq.

Armed forces find that if he were inside a tank at the time, he would be alive.

Therefore guns and bullets are not dangerous.

There is always a 'what if' factor in absolutely everything. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

No, that's more like your reasoning. You say:
A guy ODs on meth. He dies. Therefore the meth couldn't have anything to do with his death.

Here's my reasoning:
A guy drives. We don't know how fast. He also eats a donut. He also snorts coke. He is diabetic. Sometime later, he dies. Conclusion - we don't know what killed him, we need to find out.

As far as we know, this guy died shortly after getting shanked. Three days before he was shanked, he was tasered. Three days before that, he was bit by a rattlesnake. Five minutes before dying, he jumped off the roof, as far as we know. To make any intelligent comment we have to wait a day or two until this information is known.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Why do right wingers always defend a police state and cops when they kill people?

Went do left wingers feel the need to completely make shit up, rather than dealing in facts?

Do you know how many days it was after he was tasered that he died? Do you know if he had taken enough meth to kill an elephant? Do you know how he attacked the guy holding the taser? Isn't that sort of important information?

Since you don't yet know whether he rushed toward the officers swinging a knife, and you don't know what killed him, isn't it a bit insane to be going after the officer at this point?

[Fletch XXX]

cops kill, thats basically what they do. LOL

they arent really trained to be intelligent thinkers who rationalize their decisions, they deal with criminals and think every citizen is one so they handle us accordingly. they think every citizen they pull over is beneath them and they are authority and thats just how it is. When people at popeyes have bad day you get shitty service, same with cops, they hate their job mostly... so you suffer it.. best to just smile and be polite or yes they will hurt you. never fails.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by raymor

Rarely, Tasers can have complications. Often, meth has complications. A guy fried out on meth who also got tasered may have died from the meth overdose, the taser, the rat poison used in making the meth, or something else we don't know about yet. There simply isn't enough information to make any informed comment right now.

Maybe he was manifesting a threat to the cops, maybe he wasn't. We don't know yet. To pick any "side" with no useful information is to show that one doesn't care about the truth, just pushing an agenda with no factual basis whatsoever.

fair amount of people have died from tasers and not all were on meth.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/tasers/

also saying someone died from heart complications is as disingenuous as saying someone died from a blow to the head because they had a soft skull.

[Tom_PM]

I think tazers are abused very often and that's not a police bashing comment. I simply feel that way.

The "Don't taze me bro" incident should have been a lesson to everyone. They had 600 lbs of cop in that situation and yet they tazed that guy because he wanted to keep asking that political candidate questions at a public forum.

Airbags also kill people while "protecting" them from accidents.

[John-ACWM]

And another sad story about the idiots in the force.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by porno jew

fair amount of people have died from tasers and not all were on meth.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/tasers/

also saying someone died from heart complications is as disingenuous as saying someone died from a blow to the head because they had a soft skull.

Some have, sure. Some of the ones you linked to were on coke and the special investigator said their heart attack was NOT related to the taser some hours before. In a few days we'll find out about THIS guy.

It would be interesting to click all of those names and count how many were on coke or meth versus how many were not. I checked on two, one was on coke, the other not.

Most of the ones you linked to indicate some type of force was needed. Sometimes tasers have been used when it wasn't needed. In a few days the information will come out about this case. Until we have the information about this case, making judgments about it is plain silly.

[brassmonkey]

zaaaaaaaappppp

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Why do right wingers always defend a police state and cops when they kill people?

"Right winger" ?

Because when a cop gives you a lawful order and you refuse to comply and he has to take action to make you... and I think its quite obvious that you need to comply.. I'm a "right winger"? Am I also a part of the Christian Right?

In what world do you live in where a police says "you're under arrest, step over here and put your hands on your head" and it's actually just a subject up for debate and discussion?



(don't bother answering because you won't actually address the facts of the situation anyway)

[2012]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Don't care. Assault a police office when he is arresting you, you get bitch smacked. Sometimes it hurts.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

cops kill, thats basically what they do. LOL

they arent really trained to be intelligent thinkers who rationalize their decisions, they deal with criminals and think every citizen is one so they handle us accordingly. they think every citizen they pull over is beneath them and they are authority and thats just how it is. When people at popeyes have bad day you get shitty service, same with cops, they hate their job mostly... so you suffer it.. best to just smile and be polite or yes they will hurt you. never fails.

Gee, that's funny. I've met a lot of cops in my time and I don't recall any one of them killing me.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Gee, that's funny. I've met a lot of cops in my time and I don't recall any one of them killing me.

no but i surely remember you complaining about being asked for an ID in your own home or by a cop coming to your door? and you were pissed about it... lol its been awhile but i recall something to that effect ;)

anyway, not arguing its a known fact cops are just humans, so its pretty easy to understand why people get treated like shit and often by them. I dont have any negative stories personally either, i always yes sir them.

however, give them a problem and i bet you taste the curb too,... or better yet, tell them you wont give them your ID LOL

i mean you said it yourself, assault a cop and you get bitch slapped, in this case, killed, your words..