Paxum or FuckSumm ?

[UtahSaints]

Hello everyone,

If you like paxum...
If you using paxum...
If you trust your money paxum...
If you believe in paxum...
You need to know:
You wake up in the morning, but your money is gone and you have a large debt in paxum.
You can to see my story in pictures and you can to do the findings: "Who is Paxum".

[porno jew]

too many pictures to look at.

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by porno jew

too many pictures to look at.

too many pictures to look at........... but and paxum stole too much money.

[porno jew]

so what happened. pictures don't explain to well.

[Voodoo]

I read the images... Not sure if understanding was had.

[TheSwed]

So whats the problem? Explain please

[UtahSaints]

I do not understand why I have a balance -5,691.18 dollars.
I don't exchange money. I got paid for the work. I paid money for webmasters.
Why paxum stole my money? Paxum not answer.

[UtahSaints]

Paksum silent 1.5 months.

All tickets:




Last ticket:

[WarChild]

Oh you're Russian.

[AllAboutCams]

they say you have fraudulent transactions so somebody has used a stolen credit card to pay you and the bank is asking for it back

[Vjo]

Whoever paid you the $5000 was prob fraudulent. Like a checking acct, things go back, back, back as far as poss and those who were paid lose their money.

In other words look at who paid you. Problem is most likely with them and not Paxum.

[Eugenum]

The problem is in paxum who let the dirty money in.
Webmasters rely upon their security but can get fucked receiving money from third parties for work or services.

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Oh you're Russian.

Yes I'm Russian but is it reason to steal my money?

Originally Posted by xxxupdate

they say you have fraudulent transactions so somebody has used a stolen credit card to pay you and the bank is asking for it back

I dont have fraudulent transactions. I got paid for the work as a webmaster.

Originally Posted by Vjo

Whoever paid you the $5000 was prob fraudulent. Like a checking acct, things go back, back, back as far as poss and those who were paid lose their money.

In other words look at who paid you. Problem is most likely with them and not Paxum.

Why paxum punishing me? He took my money two-fold (2 refund : 6,879.00 + 5,692.00 = $12,571 but I got cash from this partner only 1/3 of this amount ) :

Trans ID Date Description Transaction Type Debit Credit Balance

3908703 2012-01-23 15:57:28 Send money to wc@*****business.com (*** Media Group Inc) - refund Transfer 6,879.00 51.82

4419765 2012-02-07 14:19:57 Reverse: Received money from *****@gmail.com Refund 5,692.00 -5,691.18

[bean-aid]

Sucks man. Maybe paxum will eat it and give you your money.

[MrDeiz]

the whole thing is explained at http://www.master-x.com/forum/topics/158806/

[mchacal]

Paxum is not punishing you, you just got fucked by whoever sent you the money on the first place. It's true paxum should make sure transactions are legit but there is nothing you can do about it

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by mchacal

Paxum is not punishing you, you just got fucked by whoever sent you the money on the first place. It's true paxum should make sure transactions are legit but there is nothing you can do about it

There seems to be more to the story by the link above... if I could just read 15 pages of russian

[DamageX]

Paging Shemp...

[blonda80]

I am sure paxum will explain this very soon
So what if he is Russian?

[the Shemp]

more shattered dreams...

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

more shattered dreams...

Shemp never disappoints!

[Adraco]

What are you crying about?
1. You took money from a guy you don't know
2. As it appears, that person had stolen creditcards with which he sent you money.
3. The real owner of the creditcards, THE VICTIM, asks his bank to stop the transactions, because the cards were stolen and he did not approve those transactions. Of course he should get his money back, he has done nothing wrong.
4. So here you are arguing that you deserve to keep the money? How come? On what gorunds? And who's money is it that you want to take? The VICTIM shouldn't have to pay, right? The perpetrator will likely not have any money to pay and you can't seriously cliam that paxum should pay you just because of their size?

You spent money which wasn't yours (even if you thought so) and now they are being charged back / reveresed. I think you're clearly in the wrong here for not knowing or understanding how the system works.

[UtahSaints]

1.Warning: I didnt any money exhcange transfers and had no business
and contacts with carders. I've got payment for my work and paid our
webmasters.


2. I recieved payment from affiliate program [wc@******business.com]
as webmaster:

3871850 2012-01-20 10:32:47 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 4,888.00 9,179.65

3868860 2012-01-20 07:11:15 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 999.00 4,291.65

3851614 2012-01-19 07:06:07 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 307.00 3,292.65

3851066 2012-01-19 06:07:59 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 2,204.00 2,985.65


3. I paid our webmasters [[email protected]]:

3873257 2012-01-20 12:04:36 Send money to ***@gmail.com - fee 1.00 USD Fee 1.00 947.65

3873255 2012-01-20 12:04:36 Send money to ***@gmail.com - EnjoyBucks Transfer 230.00 948.65

3872011 2012-01-20 10:47:49 Send money to [email protected] - fee 1.00 USD Fee 1.00 1,178.65

3872009 2012-01-20 10:47:49 Send money to [email protected] Transfer 8,000.00 1,179.65


4. After 3 days Paxum returned money ($5,692.00) from my partner
[[email protected]] to my account:

3908590 2012-01-23 15:51:22 Received money from [email protected] - Refund Transfer 5,692.00 6,930.82


5. After that, from my and my partners account (1,187.00 +
5,692.00) Paxum returned money to affiliate program [wc@******business.com]
i recieved money from:

3908705 2012-01-23 15:57:29 Send money to wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) - fee 1.00 USD Fee 1.00 50.82
3908703 2012-01-23 15:57:28 Send money to wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) - refund Transfer 6,879.00 51.82


6. After 15 days(!!!) paxum returned money (5,692.00) to my partner
[[email protected]] from my account.


4419765 2012-02-07 14:19:57 Reverse: Received money from [email protected] Refund 5,692.00 -5,691.18


7. Summary :

a) affiliate program wc@******business.com got money back from my
account
b) my partner [email protected] got money back from my account
c) i've paid twice one refund:

3908703 2012-01-23 15:57:28 Send money to wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) - refund Transfer 6,879.00
and
4419765 2012-02-07 14:19:57 Reverse: Received money from [email protected] Refund 5,692.00


Everyone from this story happy now and got back own money.
I lost
12,571.00 $ ( but refund was only for 6,879.00)

====================

I'm asking Paxum:
- Why Paxum refunded everything from my account? I had no relations
with carders.
- Why they not refunded all those money from account who recieved
carders money ? I recieved money from affiliate program, not from
carders. All account i recieved money from and send money to have
"Active" status (does it mean that Paxum have no claims to them)
- Why i paid twice for one refund?
- Why Paxum takes fee 1.00 USD for transactions like my refunds? Its
fault of Paxum security, why i have to pay for it?
I'm waiting for the answer from Paxum more than 45 days.

I want to warn Paxum users :

- If you will be 10th on carders money way and will have money in your
account - paxum will take your money and you'll never get them back.
- Paxum can take double amount from you.
- It's usual thing for Paxum to refund their loss from webmaster and
not answer them after.
- You are using Paxum on your own risk.

[porno jew]

i think i understand a little.

so the money already still went through a few accounts and they still took it out of yours?

that seems wrong to me.

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i think i understand a little.

so the money already still went through a few accounts and they still took it out of yours?

that seems wrong to me.

Yes, of course. you are right . Money already still went through a few accounts (3 minimum).

[2intense]

waiting for paxum replies.................

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by UtahSaints

Yes, of course. you are right . Money already still went through a few accounts (3 minimum).

ok if the cc thief was account a, and he passed that money to b, why did not they debit b? why did they debit c?

[Rothstein]

I didn't read any of this and don't care, thread closed.

[Zoxxa]

Originally Posted by UtahSaints

1.Warning: I didnt any money exhcange transfers and had no business
and contacts with carders. I've got payment for my work and paid our
webmasters.


2. I recieved payment from affiliate program [wc@******business.com]
as webmaster:

3871850 2012-01-20 10:32:47 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 4,888.00 9,179.65

3868860 2012-01-20 07:11:15 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 999.00 4,291.65

3851614 2012-01-19 07:06:07 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 307.00 3,292.65

3851066 2012-01-19 06:07:59 Received money from wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) Transfer 2,204.00 2,985.65


3. I paid our webmasters [[email protected]]:

3873257 2012-01-20 12:04:36 Send money to ***@gmail.com - fee 1.00 USD Fee 1.00 947.65

3873255 2012-01-20 12:04:36 Send money to ***@gmail.com - EnjoyBucks Transfer 230.00 948.65

3872011 2012-01-20 10:47:49 Send money to [email protected] - fee 1.00 USD Fee 1.00 1,178.65

3872009 2012-01-20 10:47:49 Send money to [email protected] Transfer 8,000.00 1,179.65


4. After 3 days Paxum returned money ($5,692.00) from my partner
[[email protected]] to my account:

3908590 2012-01-23 15:51:22 Received money from [email protected] - Refund Transfer 5,692.00 6,930.82


5. After that, from my and my partners account (1,187.00 +
5,692.00) Paxum returned money to affiliate program [wc@******business.com]
i recieved money from:

3908705 2012-01-23 15:57:29 Send money to wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) - fee 1.00 USD Fee 1.00 50.82
3908703 2012-01-23 15:57:28 Send money to wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) - refund Transfer 6,879.00 51.82


6. After 15 days(!!!) paxum returned money (5,692.00) to my partner
[[email protected]] from my account.


4419765 2012-02-07 14:19:57 Reverse: Received money from [email protected] Refund 5,692.00 -5,691.18


7. Summary :

a) affiliate program wc@******business.com got money back from my
account
b) my partner [email protected] got money back from my account
c) i've paid twice one refund:

3908703 2012-01-23 15:57:28 Send money to wc@******business.com (*** Media Group Inc) - refund Transfer 6,879.00
and
4419765 2012-02-07 14:19:57 Reverse: Received money from [email protected] Refund 5,692.00


Everyone from this story happy now and got back own money.
I lost
12,571.00 $ ( but refund was only for 6,879.00)

====================

I'm asking Paxum:
- Why Paxum refunded everything from my account? I had no relations
with carders.
- Why they not refunded all those money from account who recieved
carders money ? I recieved money from affiliate program, not from
carders. All account i recieved money from and send money to have
"Active" status (does it mean that Paxum have no claims to them)
- Why i paid twice for one refund?
- Why Paxum takes fee 1.00 USD for transactions like my refunds? Its
fault of Paxum security, why i have to pay for it?
I'm waiting for the answer from Paxum more than 45 days.

I want to warn Paxum users :

- If you will be 10th on carders money way and will have money in your
account - paxum will take your money and you'll never get them back.
- Paxum can take double amount from you.
- It's usual thing for Paxum to refund their loss from webmaster and
not answer them after.
- You are using Paxum on your own risk.

Yea, something is fucked up there.

[Waiter]

yesterday thread and no one from Paxum gives any replay ... things that makes me go hmm ...

[TheSwed]

why dont you tell wc@******business.com that they own you money?

[alias]

The double refund does not seem right for one thing.

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by porno jew

ok if the cc thief was account a, and he passed that money to b, why did not they debit b? why did they debit c?

I want to know this too. I am "C" at least. (But maybe "D" or "E" or "Z" but not "B") Paxum ignores me and this situation.

Originally Posted by TheSwed

why dont you tell [wc@******business.com] that they own you money?

Paxum did refund only my money from this account [wc@******business.com] further. We don't know the account from which money was stolen. Paxum does not talk about it.

Originally Posted by alias

The double refund does not seem right for one thing.

Double refund - In any case it is bad . But Paxum not think so.

[bloggerz]

What i want to know is who is this affiliate program you're speaking of that sent you the funds in the first place

"2. I recieved payment from affiliate program [wc@******business.com]
as webmaster:"

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by bloggerz

What i want to know is who is this affiliate program you're speaking of that sent you the funds in the first place

"2. I recieved payment from affiliate program [wc@******business.com]
as webmaster:"

Do you think this company is сarder? I do not think so. Paxum has no claims against to this company. Her account is active.

[porno jew]

sounds like you got fucked man.

something to be aware of.

[Dontstop]

Never had problem with paxum for 2years...They are much better from epassporte

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by porno jew

sounds like you got fucked man.

something to be aware of.

Everyone can be in my place, so I want to show paxum's policy.
They don't punish the guilty if he has no money. They will punish honest if he has money on his account.

Originally Posted by Dontstop

Never had problem with paxum for 2years...They are much better from epassporte

I thought as too. I'll be glad if you will think so at all times. I had no luck.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Dontstop

Never had problem with paxum for 2years...They are much better from epassporte

How soo ? I remember epass be pretty good up till the crash

[Sid70]

Bump, that's another success story.

[Tommydiv]

Waiting to paxum reply??

[RuthB]

The situation described in this thread relates to fraudulent activity from a couple months ago, and this is why those funds were removed. This situation was discussed at length at the time, and resulted in Paxum implementing some new protocols to help prevent future attempts of this type of fraudulent activity.

We conduct detailed investigations when we encounter any type of fraudulent activity in our service, and we take necessary steps based on the discovered information.

If you view the account screencaps posted by the OP in this thread, you will notice that the account shows a negative balance. This actually means that Paxum is the one experiencing a $6k+ loss at this time.

When a cheater is found to be using our service fraudulently then we make every endeavor to swiftly return any available funds to those clients affected. We have been helping programs eliminate fraud by removing carders from the system and we have always tried to return as much as possible to the originating accounts.

The issue that has been brought up in this thread is inconsequential to honest people that are here to make a living, this issue is in direct relation to exchanger fraud that we have since implemented additional measures to prevent. We did not reverse *and will not reverse* any transactions that were destined to honest clients. All transactions that were reversed involved funds funneled through accounts whose purpose wasn't to provide a direct service or product, *but to commit fraud or aid others to commit fraud*.

Since this occurrence a couple months ago, Paxum has actively increased security relating to our Credit Card loading option. We do NOT tolerate fraudulent or money-laundering activity in any way. Our stance toward fraud and the way we handle these situations will not change. We will always strive to return the funds to their rightful owner. In so doing, we hope to deter future fraud, and inspire more confidence from our trusted clients, by showing that we do not want any part in any type of fraud.

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by RuthB

....
The issue that has been brought up in this thread is inconsequential to honest people that are here to make a living, this issue is in direct relation to exchanger fraud that we have since implemented additional measures to prevent. We did not reverse *and will not reverse* any transactions that were destined to honest clients....

Do you think that I am not honest client ?
I do not see what you have suffered. I see that suffered only my account. This is my account balance is negative, not yours
Your answer - it is only a rant.You punish for someone else in the story except me? You made negative balance for someone too?
How many clients you have been punished in this transaction? Only me? I have had contact with criminals?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by UtahSaints

Do you think that I am not honest client ?
I do not see what you have suffered. I see that suffered only my account. This is my account balance is negative, not yours
How many clients you have been punished in this transaction? Only me? I have had contact with criminals?

Well actually, until you pay the negative balance it IS their loss not yours.

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by RuthB

....When a cheater is found to be using our service fraudulently then we make every endeavor to swiftly return any available funds to those clients affected.
.....

How much amount refund? Explain to me why Paxum take so much money from me? You took care of me?

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well actually, until you pay the negative balance it IS their loss not yours.

Ohhh no..... This is my balance, not paxum

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by UtahSaints

How much amount refund? Explain to me why Paxum take so much money from me? You took care of me?



Ohhh no..... This is my balance, not paxum

We both know you're not going to bring that balance back to 0. You're going to stop using Paxum and start using Payoneer or something else.

[ZeroHero]

interesting Q !

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by WarChild

We both know you're not going to bring that balance back to 0. You're going to stop using Paxum and start using Payoneer or something else.

Or another another Paxum account.

[UtahSaints]

Originally Posted by WarChild

We both know you're not going to bring that balance back to 0. You're going to stop using Paxum and start using Payoneer or something else.

Why do you think? I must make payments to webmasters in Paxum. I have Affiliate Program where 60% webmasters have Paxum as payment options.

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Or another another Paxum account.

This is Business Account on my company.

[ladida]

Originally Posted by RuthB

If you view the account screencaps posted by the OP in this thread, you will notice that the account shows a negative balance. This actually means that Paxum is the one experiencing a $6k+ loss at this time.

BWAAHAHAHAHHa what? So when he receives payment from someone else, let's say 2k, will he be able to cash out those 2k or will his balance go from -6k to -4k, thus making his 2k cover your loss? HAHAHAHA "Paxum has -6k loss". God, can you get someone with some sense to reply to this guy.