Programmers: Which PHP Framework do you prefer ? - GoFuckYourself.com

AdultKing · 04-26-2012, 04:36 PM

Here's a question to all the programmers here.

Do you use a PHP framework and if so which do you prefer and why ?

mafia_man · 04-26-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Here's a question to all the programmers here.

Do you use a PHP framework and if so which do you prefer and why ?

Code Igniter or Symfony.

One reason. Documentation.

SZNY · 04-26-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man

Code Igniter or Symfony.

One reason. Documentation.

totally agree

Zoxxa · 04-26-2012, 05:03 PM

CodeIgniter has been great, it has let me accomplish any type of site I have wanted to create so far in a fast and easy way. It let's me get as advanced as I like while generally staying out of my way.

I have not had the time to jump balls deep into it, but the Yii framework looks excellent. As well I would love to spend more time with Python's Django framework. As for now though when I need to get a fuckton completed, CodeIgniter gets it done nicely.

AdultKing · 04-26-2012, 05:26 PM

Looking at the Codeigniter tutorial videos, they have to be amongst the better tutorials of all the frameworks that I have seen.

shake · 04-26-2012, 06:26 PM

I like Cake

sarettah · 04-26-2012, 06:29 PM

Framework? I don't need no steenkin framework.

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vdbucks · 04-26-2012, 06:53 PM

I still do all of my coding by hand... most of it in vi, the rest in pluma.

On very rare occasions I use dreamweaver to apply source formatting (namely with nats templates).

One of these days I think I need to get with the program and use some more modern methods...

raymor · 04-26-2012, 09:41 PM

Did anyone here ever use a Perl framework called Personal Home Pages (PHP)? Funny how the blog script became a framework, then it became a language that another blog script was written it, and now you want a framework to use what was originally called a script. I wonder when people will be posting about Wordpress frameworks.

AdultKing · 04-26-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

Did anyone here ever use a Perl framework called Personal Home Pages (PHP)? Funny how the blog script became a framework, then it became a language that another blog script was written it, and now you want a framework to use what was originally called a script. I wonder when people will be posting about Wordpress frameworks.

17 years ago. How time flies.

Brujah · 04-26-2012, 09:47 PM

I still really like Codeigniter, and FuelPHP seems a step-up. Laravel also looks really good, but I haven't built a site with that one yet.

Brujah · 04-26-2012, 09:48 PM

Oops, meant to ask what about ORMs? Any favorites?

TheSenator · 04-26-2012, 10:14 PM

Do people who use Code Igniter or Symfony good for WordPress plugin development?

mafia_man · 04-27-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Do people who use Code Igniter or Symfony good for WordPress plugin development?

You wouldn't want the overhead of a framework for a plugin.

Better coding that from scratch.

mafia_man · 04-27-2012, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Oops, meant to ask what about ORMs? Any favorites?

ActiveRecord ;)

But seriously there's only Doctrine as I recall. The rest build their ORMS straight in to the framework so you can't use them as a standalone scripts.

mikke · 04-27-2012, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shake

I like Cake

same as I, one of the best RAD framework..

grumpy · 04-27-2012, 03:10 AM

PhPed in combination with Tortoise ( great for documentation and source tracking )
with customized template system

seeme · 04-27-2012, 04:40 AM

Home made frameworks are the best. But if I had to choose then probably codeigniter.

AdultKing · 04-27-2012, 04:44 AM

Has anyone played around with Bonfire for CodeIgniter ? It looks pretty cool to me.

mikke · 04-27-2012, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Has anyone played around with Bonfire for CodeIgniter ? It looks pretty cool to me.

checkout cakephp 2.2, they made huge progress since 1.3..
also if you wanna something leet, checkout lithium framework..

AdultKing · 04-27-2012, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mikke

checkout cakephp 2.2, they made huge progress since 1.3..
also if you wanna something leet, checkout lithium framework..

Why would you choose Cake over Codeigniter ? What are it's specific benefits over other frameworks ?

raymor · 04-27-2012, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Do people who use Code Igniter or Symfony good for WordPress plugin development?

Wordpress IS the framework in that case. Assuming the plugin isn't roughly as large and complex as Wordpress itself.

fris · 04-27-2012, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Here's a question to all the programmers here.

Do you use a PHP framework and if so which do you prefer and why ?

if using one, code igniter

raymor · 04-27-2012, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Do people who use Code Igniter or Symfony good for WordPress plugin development?

Wordpress IS the framework in that case. Assuming the plugin isn't roughly as large and complex as Wordpress itself.

potter · 04-27-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Do people who use Code Igniter or Symfony good for WordPress plugin development?

If wordpress is built properly, it should be a framework of it's own. If you're writing a plugin for wordpress, the amount of php functions should be nominal and you should theoretically be using functions built/provided by wordpress.

I haven't done a serious wordpress plugin in a long time, if wordpress isn't built like this it'll be one of it's downfalls in the future.

AdultKing · 04-27-2012, 02:53 PM

Anyone else got a view on this ?

Brujah · 06-26-2012, 06:59 AM

bump for a great topic.

I've had a chance to review Laravel better and it's really nice. Looking forward to working with it more. WordPress is so popular anymore that it's important to learn at least the classes like WP_Query, WP_Widget, WP_Ajax_Response, WP_User, wpdb, etc..

AdultKing · 06-26-2012, 07:12 AM

Brujah, likewise and I agree with all you say.

The variety of frameworks is maturing to a point where there are excellent choices amongst them all.

foxyflesh · 06-26-2012, 07:30 AM

I work on an older unsupported framework, but know people who work on and love CodeIgniter and Symfony

We did a review a while back of the frameworks and chose Symfony 2 to replace the archaic codebase, but that was at a previous job, and they imploded before we really got started.

Moved to a new job, and too busy to try and learn a new framework for shits and giggles.

PyroCMS is a nice simple CMS built on CodeIgniter if you just want a CMS

raymor · 06-26-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

bump for a great topic.

I've had a chance to review Laravel better and it's really nice. Looking forward to working with it more. WordPress is so popular anymore that it's important to learn at least the classes like WP_Query, WP_Widget, WP_Ajax_Response, WP_User, wpdb, etc..

Just as the Apache server spawned the APR (Apache portable runtime), which can be used for projects that have nothing to do with Apache, Wordpress could spawn the WP Framework. Wordpress would be just one application written on the framework. Wouldn't that be interesting.

Brujah · 06-26-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

Just as the Apache server spawned the APR (Apache portable runtime), which can be used for projects that have nothing to do with Apache, Wordpress could spawn the WP Framework. Wordpress would be just one application written on the framework. Wouldn't that be interesting.

WordPress has certainly been improving its codebase dramatically by refactoring and taking advantage of OOP and modern PHP. There are even CLI (command line) WP tools and wrappers for various frameworks.

candyflip · 06-26-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

I wonder when people will be posting about Wordpress frameworks.

http://whiteboardframework.com
http://www.studiopress.com/themes/genesis

There are a bunch of them.

scottybuzz · 06-26-2012, 09:09 AM

I know no php what soever, where it the best place to start?

johnnyloadproductions · 06-26-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

I know no php what soever, where it the best place to start?

http://www.tuxradar.com/practicalphp

Free and known well. This is literally an online ebook that will get you up and running.

Miguel T · 06-26-2012, 10:26 AM

CodeIgniter is great, but I normally don't even use a framework...

blackmonsters · 06-26-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Anyone else got a view on this ?

I haven't tried any frameworks because most times I can fully
learn how to use something just as fast as I can learn to use the "framework".

For example : I totally considered and tried FrontPage back in the day and after a
few minutes of it I thought I could learn HTML before I learned all the do-dads in this
Frontpage thingy. Now it may be true that I could have done more fancy things if
I had learned frontpage, but who really knows. And the biggest draw back was that
editing a Frontpage HTML by hand was super ugly!

Brujah · 06-26-2012, 11:17 AM

FrontPage is not a framework.

raymor · 06-26-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

I know no php what soever, where it the best place to start?

PHP 4 sucked major ass, and attracted "programmers" who sucked as badly. The suck language then encouraged them to write even suckier code. PHP 5.4 sucks a lot less, so be sure that whatever you learn from is based on at least PHP 5.2.

If you learn by studying 4.x compatible code, you will only be learning how to suck.

mafia_man · 06-26-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

PHP 4 sucked major ass, and attracted "programmers" who sucked as badly. The suck language then encouraged them to write even suckier code. PHP 5.4 sucks a lot less, so be sure that whatever you learn from is based on at least PHP 5.2.

If you learn by studying 4.x compatible code, you will only be learning how to suck.

5.3+ has improved the language a lot. I wouldn't code below 5.3 these days and would most probably use 5.4.

Closures, namespaces etc. make it so much easier to use.

Also http://laravel.com/ is the new hot shit in PHP frameworks.

just a punk · 06-26-2012, 12:09 PM

I'm a framework by myself. Don't need anything else.

grumpy · 06-26-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I haven't tried any frameworks because most times I can fully
learn how to use something just as fast as I can learn to use the "framework".

For example : I totally considered and tried FrontPage back in the day and after a
few minutes of it I thought I could learn HTML before I learned all the do-dads in this
Frontpage thingy. Now it may be true that I could have done more fancy things if
I had learned frontpage, but who really knows. And the biggest draw back was that
editing a Frontpage HTML by hand was super ugly!

advanced programmers use a frame work, their own or a modified standard.
Write once, use many.

blackmonsters · 06-26-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

FrontPage is not a framework.

I view it all as "utilities" to facilitate coding.
Swash it around in your mouth with buzz words all you want to.

fris · 06-26-2012, 02:27 PM

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Microsoft FrontPage (full name Microsoft Office FrontPage) is a discontinued WYSIWYG HTML editor and Web site administration tool from Microsoft for the Microsoft Windows line of operating systems.

blackmonsters · 06-26-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

Cool, you've convinced me that HTML code is not code.

David Petters · 07-12-2012, 08:08 AM

Codeigniter and currently learning FLOW3

AdultKing · 10-06-2012, 05:03 AM

Anyone using Bonfire with CI ?

Brujah · 10-06-2012, 05:12 AM

Bonfire looks great. I haven't had a project to try it out with yet.

AdultKing · 10-06-2012, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Bonfire looks great. I haven't had a project to try it out with yet.

I'm thinking about building our unified evidence and infringement tracking system in it.

I built the first version of it in Filemaker but quickly outgrowing that platform.

I want to be able to integrate and spawn all of our custom data mining scripts from a unified system that will not only manage the data store of all our information but also integrate with the API's of Podio to feed data back and forth from our collaboration system.

So far CI + Bonfire looks like the best kickstart solution.

blazin · 10-06-2012, 06:10 AM

PHP?.... Yuk!! I use Perl with the Dancer Framework ;)

brentbacardi · 10-06-2012, 06:41 AM

I never used an actual framework but I recently began looking into this more and realized I have been using a basic home brew framework for some of my larger coding projects. Frameworks are definitely awesome when lots of code and functions are involved.

I want to learn CodeIgnitor or Cake though...

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AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	Looking at the Codeigniter tutorial videos, they have to be amongst the better tutorials of all the frameworks that I have seen.

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raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	Did anyone here ever use a Perl framework called Personal Home Pages (PHP)? Funny how the blog script became a framework, then it became a language that another blog script was written it, and now you want a framework to use what was originally called a script. I wonder when people will be posting about Wordpress frameworks.

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AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	Has anyone played around with Bonfire for CodeIgniter ? It looks pretty cool to me.

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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	bump for a great topic. I've had a chance to review Laravel better and it's really nice. Looking forward to working with it more. WordPress is so popular anymore that it's important to learn at least the classes like WP_Query, WP_Widget, WP_Ajax_Response, WP_User, wpdb, etc.. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	Brujah, likewise and I agree with all you say. The variety of frameworks is maturing to a point where there are excellent choices amongst them all.

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