Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting

[Just Alex]

Well take a look at that. Must've been from his poker night 2 nights ago.
Doesn't look good for your poster homeboy "No Limit Nigga", eh brasmonkey?

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclu...opstories.html

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

[CyberHustler]

looks like the no limit nigga died standing his ground... bravo

[directfiesta]

any pics ( even shopped ??? )

[kane]

Just because he has the injuries doesn't automatically make him innocent. If he attacked that kid and the kid tried to defend himself only to get shot, Zimmerman is still guilty.

I still think, regardless of the injuries, he will be found guilty. He chose to pursue the kid and press the issue. Had he got back in his car and waited for the police none of this would have happened. He chose to make a move and ended up killing an unarmed person. That's normally not good for you.

[bushwacker]

He'll do 15 years. Vigilante justice for the win.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by kane

I still think, regardless of the injuries, he will be found guilty.

Don't hold your breath. He's charged with second-degree murder and no one is going to convict him of that. He was clearly attacked by "no limit hahahahahah" .

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by kane

Just because he has the injuries doesn't automatically make him innocent. If he attacked that kid and the kid tried to defend himself only to get shot, Zimmerman is still guilty.

I still think, regardless of the injuries, he will be found guilty. He chose to pursue the kid and press the issue. Had he got back in his car and waited for the police none of this would have happened. He chose to make a move and ended up killing an unarmed person. That's normally not good for you.

I agree. For all we know Zimmerman attacked the kid first.

The only facts are Zimmerman shot an unarmed kid. The rest is just a guess.

[epitome]

Trayvon's autopsy also shows that he had broken skin on his knuckles, which supports Zimmerman's account:

SANFORD — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

The autopsy results come as Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.

O’Mara wouldn't comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it's better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman's bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.

“It goes along with Zimmerman's story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.

The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman's story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/st...o-2358129.html

[kane]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Don't hold your breath. He's charged with second-degree murder and no one is going to convict him of that. He was clearly attacked by "no limit hahahahahah" .

I don't doubt for a second that he was attacked. The question is about what the circumstances of the attack were. The reality is only he and that kid know for sure what went down.

The prosecution has already made some mistakes. It won't shock me if they make him a deal and let him plea to something lesser that will see him do a couple of years.

[FreeHugeMovies]

Zero time for him

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by epitome

Trayvon's autopsy also shows that he had broken skin on his knuckles, which supports Zimmerman's account:

I wonder why.

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by kane

Just because he has the injuries doesn't automatically make him innocent. If he attacked that kid and the kid tried to defend himself only to get shot, Zimmerman is still guilty.

But where's the physical evidence?

If Zimmerman attacked Treyvon there would be injuries to prove it. The only injuries on Treyvon are on his knuckles.

I guess Zimmerman beat up Treyvon's knuckles with his face

Originally Posted by kane

I still think, regardless of the injuries, he will be found guilty.

Second degree murder? Unlikely. Involuntary manslaughter? Maybe.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by kane

I don't doubt for a second that he was attacked. The question is about what the circumstances of the attack were. The reality is only he and that kid know for sure what went down.

The prosecution has already made some mistakes. It won't shock me if they make him a deal and let him plea to something lesser that will see him do a couple of years.

He's not going to do any time period. He was attacked and had to defend himself.

[epitome]

With what is known so far, which do you think would have a better outcome for Zimmerman:

A jury of his peers or letting a judge decide?

[CyberHustler]

I'm just saying... follow me around all weird like that and I'm going to break my knuckles across your nose too, if I ain't got a weapon handy.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

I'm just saying... follow me around all weird like that and I'm going to break my knuckles across your nose too, if I ain't got a weapon handy.

But under current Florida law, if you attacked someone and they then shot and killed you, they could claim they were standing their ground. Someone following you is not a reason to attack.

Trayvon isn't here to testify and Zimmerman has always said he was attacked first. He'll be able to testify that Trayvon attacked first and Trayvon will not be able to testify that it was Zimmerman.

What's a judge or jury to do?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

But where's the physical evidence?

If Zimmerman attacked Treyvon there would be injuries to prove it. The only injuries on Treyvon are on his knuckles.

I guess Zimmerman beat up Treyvon's knuckles with his face



Second degree murder? Unlikely. Involuntary manslaughter? Maybe.

Zimmerman pursues the kid. The kid starts to run. Zimmerman runs after him, grabs him by the famous hoodie and stops him and threatens him. The kid tries to get away with no luck. He sees this dude has a gun so he is afraid and he hits him.

You tell me. If you are just walking down the street and a guy chased you down and grabbed you you wouldn't take action to make sure he didn't hurt you?

The bottom line is that we don't know what happened. Clearly it appears that Trayvon hit Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot Trayvon. How it came to that only those two know and for us to speculate is foolish.

All I am saying is that it looks bad for Zimmerman. The guy has a history of violence and he shot an unarmed kid that he actively pursued even after the cops told him that they didn't need him to do that and suggested that he wait for the officers to arrive.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

But where's the physical evidence?

If Zimmerman attacked Treyvon there would be injuries to prove it. The only injuries on Treyvon are on his knuckles.

I guess Zimmerman beat up Treyvon's knuckles with his face
.

According to brassmonkey and alike thats exactly what happened.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by kane

Zimmerman pursues the kid. The kid starts to run.

Says who? Amazing how you fail to see doctors reports but 100% sure that kid took off running instead of getting in Z's face with usual ghetto bullshit "You waz disrespektin me".

[kane]

Originally Posted by epitome

With what is known so far, which do you think would have a better outcome for Zimmerman:

A jury of his peers or letting a judge decide?

If it were me I would go with the Judge. The odds of getting any kind of technicality in your favor are greater with a judge and they have a solid understanding of the law. There are a lot of people who want Zimmerman to go down so you know there is intense pressure on that jury to take him down. They may say they don't feel it, but anyone who is human would and it has to be in the back of their minds.

[CyberHustler]

Zimmerman should get charged with something, even if it ain't murder. I can't blame him for shooting somebody that's wooping his ass, but he shouldn't have asked for that ass wooping. He should not have been following the kid around after the cop told him not to... that's whta got his ass wooped and lead his sorry/soft ass to shoot. I bet if I go stalking Alex's son... against police orders... and his son woops my ass so I shoot him dead like a dog his tone would be different. He would not pat me on the back, that's for sure.

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Zimmerman should get charged with something, even if it ain't murder. I can't blame him for shooting somebody that's wooping his ass, but he shouldn't have asked for that ass wooping. He should not have been following the kid around after the cop told him not to... that's whta got his ass wooped and lead his sorry/soft ass to shoot. I bet if I go stalking Alex's son... against police orders... and his son woops my ass so I shoot him dead like a dog his tone would be different. He would not pat me on the back, that's for sure.

How about the hahahaha who is an obvious thief doesnt act like a gangster and attack somebody out of the blue and then everybody gets home alive.

It's amazing that now some evidence has come out, like the autopsy, how people who were making arguments based on assumptions don't seem to realize they look like fools now.

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by kane

Zimmerman pursues the kid. The kid starts to run. Zimmerman runs after him, grabs him by the famous hoodie and stops him and threatens him. The kid tries to get away with no luck. He sees this dude has a gun so he is afraid and he hits him.

You tell me. If you are just walking down the street and a guy chased you down and grabbed you you wouldn't take action to make sure he didn't hurt you?

And the evidence that this happened is where exactly? Because that's what's needed. You can speculate all you want, it means sweet fuck all if there's no evidence to support it.

Originally Posted by kane

The bottom line is that we don't know what happened. Clearly it appears that Trayvon hit Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot Trayvon. How it came to that only those two know and for us to speculate is foolish.

Exactly. You know those words pesky little words that judges instruct the jury to remember, "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

Read your own words and let it sink in.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by bigluv

How about the hahahaha doesnt act like a gangster and attack somebody out of the blue and then everybody gets home alive.

He wasn't the one walking around with a gun poppin shit like a G though... the Zim was. Homie had skittles.

[sandman!]

there is no way you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense there is no way he should get convicted here.

Originally Posted by epitome

But under current Florida law, if you attacked someone and they then shot and killed you, they could claim they were standing their ground. Someone following you is not a reason to attack.

Trayvon isn't here to testify and Zimmerman has always said he was attacked first. He'll be able to testify that Trayvon attacked first and Trayvon will not be able to testify that it was Zimmerman.

What's a judge or jury to do?

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by bigluv

It's amazing that now some evidence has come out, like the autopsy, how people who were making arguments based on assumptions don't seem to realize they look like fools now.

You doing the same thing. We all are. That's pretty much what a forum is for.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Says who? Amazing how you fail to see doctors reports but 100% sure that kid took off running instead of getting in Z's face with usual ghetto bullshit "You waz disrespektin me".

You have to assume one of two things happened. We have all heard the 911 call. Zimmerman ends that call by telling the dispatcher that he is going to get in his car and drive to a spot to meet the cops. That clearly didn't happen.

This mean either:

1. Zimmerman may or may not have gotten in his car and headed to the area where he planned to meet the police. On his way there Trayvon, who just a few minutes ago was fleeing the scenes, has now returned and attacks Zimmerman, beating him down and forcing him to use his gun.

or

2. Zimmerman hung up the phone then headed off after Trayvon intent on not letting him get away. At some point during this pursuit Trayvon is either caught by Zimmerman and fights back or stops running and decides to stand his ground. A fight breaks out and Zimmerman kills him.

Which sounds more realistic?

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by bigluv

How about the hahahaha who is an obvious thief doesnt act like a gangster and attack somebody out of the blue and then everybody gets home alive.

It's amazing that now some evidence has come out, like the autopsy, how people who were making arguments based on assumptions don't seem to realize they look like fools now.

and what the fuck are you doing matlock?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

And the evidence that this happened is where exactly? Because that's what's needed. You can speculate all you want, it means sweet fuck all if there's no evidence to support it.



Exactly. You know those words pesky little words that judges instruct the jury to remember, "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

Read your own words and let it sink in.

That is the whole point. I don't know what happened. I am only speculating. You don't know either. We know a few things, but most of it is a mystery.

I have no evidence that Zimmerman chased Trayvon down and tried to detain him. But then again, there is no evidence that this didn't happen.

None of us know for sure. All I am saying is that that while there is evidence supporting his claim that he was attacked, he still shot an unarmed kid and that is not good for him. Logic tells me that it is more likely that he pursed the kid and instigated the confrontation than the other way around, but I don't know that.

[Mr Pheer]

What happened to the skittles?

[CyberHustler]

I will never be convinced that it's OK to be stalked by some armed weirdo in a residential area... that shit just ain't right. If he get away with this all them kids in florida are going to prolly strap up too but shoot first though to avoid being Zimmed.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by kane

If it were me I would go with the Judge. The odds of getting any kind of technicality in your favor are greater with a judge and they have a solid understanding of the law. There are a lot of people who want Zimmerman to go down so you know there is intense pressure on that jury to take him down. They may say they don't feel it, but anyone who is human would and it has to be in the back of their minds.

Based on what's out so far I'd go with judge, too. I'd like to think a judge better understands "beyond a reasonable doubt" while most jury members would probably have their mind made up going in.

I also think it needs to go to a judge that doesn't give a fuck about making a decision that a lot of people may disagree with. Not a judge up for re-election, or a judge that worries too much what people think. There are going to be people that hate the verdict, no matter what it may be.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by epitome

There are going to be people that hate the verdict, no matter what it may be.

True indeed.

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Zimmerman should get charged with something, even if it ain't murder. I can't blame him for shooting somebody that's wooping his ass, but he shouldn't have asked for that ass wooping. He should not have been following the kid around after the cop told him not to... that's whta got his ass wooped and lead his sorry/soft ass to shoot. I bet if I go stalking Alex's son... against police orders... and his son woops my ass so I shoot him dead like a dog his tone would be different. He would not pat me on the back, that's for sure.

this

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by kane

You have to assume one of two things happened. We have all heard the 911 call. Zimmerman ends that call by telling the dispatcher that he is going to get in his car and drive to a spot to meet the cops. That clearly didn't happen.

This mean either:

1. Zimmerman may or may not have gotten in his car and headed to the area where he planned to meet the police. On his way there Trayvon, who just a few minutes ago was fleeing the scenes, has now returned and attacks Zimmerman, beating him down and forcing him to use his gun.

or

2. Zimmerman hung up the phone then headed off after Trayvon intent on not letting him get away. At some point during this pursuit Trayvon is either caught by Zimmerman and fights back or stops running and decides to stand his ground. A fight breaks out and Zimmerman kills him.

Which sounds more realistic?

and that

[tonyparra]

Its funny how the woman who "stood her ground" in her own home against an abusive husband will get 20 yrs. Zimmerman may go free. She left the house to get away from him but realized that she forgot her keys and went back with a gun and fired a warning shot. Now i agree that she should be guilty of something. But 20 years? She should have killed him. He was btw violating a restraining order. Its clear that the majority feels there is no such thing as "stand your ground" for the minority. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...nd-her-ground/

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

Its clear that the majority feels there is no such thing as "stand your ground" for the minority.

Oh here we go again. What a load of horse shit.
Here's why she was denied..

"A lot of people would say, if she's so afraid of him, what's she doing going back there?" says Stone.

Second, as the judge pointed out in the ruling that denied stand your ground immunity, presumably Alexander could have fled the home through the back door instead of returning to the house and confronting Gray.

"Obviously, the jury believed the state's position, that she went into garage to get the gun and make a stand, and that's not going to be tolerated," Stone says.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by kane

You have to assume one of two things happened. We have all heard the 911 call. Zimmerman ends that call by telling the dispatcher that he is going to get in his car and drive to a spot to meet the cops. That clearly didn't happen.

This mean either:

1. Zimmerman may or may not have gotten in his car and headed to the area where he planned to meet the police. On his way there Trayvon, who just a few minutes ago was fleeing the scenes, has now returned and attacks Zimmerman, beating him down and forcing him to use his gun.

or

2. Zimmerman hung up the phone then headed off after Trayvon intent on not letting him get away. At some point during this pursuit Trayvon is either caught by Zimmerman and fights back or stops running and decides to stand his ground. A fight breaks out and Zimmerman kills him.

Which sounds more realistic?

Why do you keep saying he was fleeing the scene? For fuck sake, guy was 6"4, a lot bigger than Zimmerman and had history of assaulting school bus driver and was obviously going for tough nigga with attitude image. He could have walked to Zimmerman with usual ghetto bravado following one question - "Do you live here?" .

[tonyparra]

Then if its horse shit why deny her the chance to vigorously defend herself...and 20 years?

...the judge refusing to admit testimony from witnesses who could tell the jury about Gray's history of violence against women. And there are disputes about significant facts in the case, including whether Alexander could have escaped out the garage instead of getting her gun and returning to the house; Gray said he "knew she couldn't leave out the garage door because the garage door was locked" in his November 2010 deposition, but in her ruling against allowing Alexander "stand your ground" immunity, Judge Elizabeth Senterfitt wrote that "there was no evidence presented to support her claim."

[kane]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Oh here we go again. What a load of horse shit.
Here's why she was denied..

If we are going to use that same standard.


Clearly Zimmerman could have gotten in his car and drove away from the scene thus removing himself from any situation where harm could have come to him.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Why do you keep saying he was fleeing the scene? For fuck sake, guy was 6"4, a lot bigger than Zimmerman and had history of assaulting school bus driver and was obviously going for tough nigga with attitude image. He could have walked to Zimmerman with usual ghetto bravado following one question - "Do you live here?" .

I keep saying that because it is what happened.

On the 911 tape you hear Zimmerman say to the police that Trayvon is leaving the scene and the police ask him if he is following. Zimmerman tells them "yes" and they tell him that he doesn't need to do that.

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by kane

If we are going to use that same standard.


Clearly Zimmerman could have gotten in his car and drove away from the scene thus removing himself from any situation where harm could have come to him.

no your wrong because trayvon martin was tall and black he could catch zimmerman in his truck, and fuck him up. poor little half white george had no choice

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by kane

If we are going to use that same standard.


Clearly Zimmerman could have gotten in his car and drove away from the scene thus removing himself from any situation where harm could have come to him.

He was captain of neighborhood watch program. Same neighborhood that was continuasly burglarized by Traivon Martins look-a-like. He deserves a fucking medal for confronting 6"4' thug and standing his ground.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by kane

I keep saying that because it is what happened.

On the 911 tape you hear Zimmerman say to the police that Trayvon is leaving the scene and the police ask him if he is following. Zimmerman tells them "yes" and they tell him that he doesn't need to do that.

Leaving, not fleeing. Huge difference. Leaving could be just walking while looking suspiciously. Its not like he was the first "Treylon" burglarizing the neighborhood and leaving the scene.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

no your wrong because trayvon martin was tall and black he could catch zimmerman in his truck, and fuck him up. poor little half white george had no choice

Black guy would never do that. Thats why 12%'s of our country's population contributed 60% of of our prison inmates.

[epitome]

I know one thing from this thread...

Detective Olivia Benson is having none of it!

[raymor]

The only good thing about this case is that Zimmerman quickly told his side of the story, rather than a lawyer telling the story months later after analyzing the evidence. That means whatever evidence there is, like injuries, blood on the sidewalk, etc. will either match perfectly what he said, in which case he's probably telling the truth, or some little thing won't match up and that would suggest he lied.

An overreacting thing about the law is that the Florida Supreme Court said it means Zimmerman must prove it was self defense by the preponderence of the evidence. So the prosecution does NOT have to prove that part beyond a reasonable doubt, it's whatever is supported by 50% of the evidence.

FL Supreme Court rules defendant must prove self defense by preponderance of the evidence

[raymor]

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

And the evidence that this happened is where exactly? Because that's what's needed. You can speculate all you want, it means sweet fuck all if there's no evidence to support it.



Exactly. You know those words pesky little words that judges instruct the jury to remember, "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

FL Supreme Court rules defendant must prove self defense by preponderance of the evidence
On the self defense claim, it comes down to which side is more believable, not "beyond a reasonable doubt" on that part.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Leaving, not fleeing. Huge difference. Leaving could be just walking while looking suspiciously. Its not like he was the first "Treylon" burglarizing the neighborhood and leaving the scene.

Here is a transcript of the 911 call.

This is what it says:

Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don?t turn and make a left.

He?s running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He?s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he?s headed towards?

Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ?F-ing coons? at 2:22]

NOTE:
[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don?t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.


So Zimmerman tells the dispatcher twice that Trayvon ran. Sounds kine of like fleeing to me.

In the end it is worthless to argue this. I feel, based only on what I know now, that Zimmerman pursued this guy, confronted him and ended up shooting him.

You think he is a hero.

I doubt we will change each other's minds so we might as well just call it good wait until the case plays out. Once all the evidence is public maybe I will change my mind.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

looks like the no limit nigga died standing his ground... bravo

So... he's dead... but he won?

Good for him.


... i guess.