File Lockers, CCBILL, PayPal, hosts - all in one thread.

[AGS-17]

I've been reading all these recent threads and WOW, I can honestly say I'm pretty shocked by CCBILL decision to support file lockers and by their complete ignorance. I guess money really does talk and we, honest webmasters get cast aside.

I applaud the efforts of everybody who dared to speak up and I think that it is better that we have one-thread-for-all where to discuss and coordinate our efforts.

I'm real glad to see the FileSonic.com go down along with a few other big ones and the way they simply closed down when shit started to fly tells a lot.

Now the biggest fish out there is DepositFiles.com, Alexa Rank: 186 as much as 10 times bigger than other file lockers and they have an affiliate program that thieves use to pedal your content while PayPal is happy to accept payment for it.

Everybody also seem to forget the fact that DepositFiles.com is being hosted by Webazilla, along with many others.

Hotfile.com, Alexa Rank: 474, runs an affiliate program, PayPal for processing appears to also be hosted by Webazilla, they try and hide it but not very hard, iptransit.com seems to belong to Webazilla as well.

Here I've made a short list of biggest file lockers who are being processed by PayPal and CCBILL, I guess it would be good if we could get together and make sure that PayPal and CCBILL stop providing their services to these thieves.

It's pretty ridiculous to see PayPal doing this while refusing any porn site whatsoever and in case of CCBILL, talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

Here's my list, it is a work in process and by no means is all inclusive, feel free to add to it:

Hotfile.com - PayPal

DepositFiles - PayPal

uploaded.to - CCBILL reinstated their account few hours after a shutdown, WOW! It begs the question why?

filefactory.com - PayPal, looks like CCBILL pulled their account, wonder for how long?

It appears that hosting companies and payment processing companies like PayPal and very recently CCBILL are enabling file lockers to do what they do, while collecting their commission like nothing's wrong.

Let's ask these questions of them, let's ask PayPal and CCBILL. Let's make it our goal that neither CCBILL nor PayPal process payments for file lockers!

[kane]

Looks like Deposit Files just settled with Perfect 10
http://torrentfreak.com/depositfiles...awsuit-120613/

that sounds to me like they have porn which is adult which is against Paypal's terms.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by AGS-17

I've been reading all these recent threads and WOW, I can honestly say I'm pretty shocked by CCBILL decision to support file lockers and by their complete ignorance. I guess money really does talk and we, honest webmasters get cast aside.

I applaud the efforts of everybody who dared to speak up and I think that it is better that we have one-thread-for-all where to discuss and coordinate our efforts.

I'm real glad to see the FileSonic.com go down along with a few other big ones and the way they simply closed down when shit started to fly tells a lot.

Now the biggest fish out there is DepositFiles.com, Alexa Rank: 186 as much as 10 times bigger than other file lockers and they have an affiliate program that thieves use to pedal your content while PayPal is happy to accept payment for it.

Everybody also seem to forget the fact that DepositFiles.com is being hosted by Webazilla, along with many others.

Hotfile.com, Alexa Rank: 474, runs an affiliate program, PayPal for processing appears to also be hosted by Webazilla, they try and hide it but not very hard, iptransit.com seems to belong to Webazilla as well.

Here I've made a short list of biggest file lockers who are being processed by PayPal and CCBILL, I guess it would be good if we could get together and make sure that PayPal and CCBILL stop providing their services to these thieves.

It's pretty ridiculous to see PayPal doing this while refusing any porn site whatsoever and in case of CCBILL, talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

Here's my list, it is a work in process and by no means is all inclusive, feel free to add to it:

Hotfile.com - PayPal

DepositFiles - PayPal

uploaded.to - CCBILL reinstated their account few hours after a shutdown, WOW! It begs the question why?

filefactory.com - PayPal, looks like CCBILL pulled their account, wonder for how long?

It appears that hosting companies and payment processing companies like PayPal and very recently CCBILL are enabling file lockers to do what they do, while collecting their commission like nothing's wrong.

Let's ask these questions of them, let's ask PayPal and CCBILL. Let's make it our goal that neither CCBILL nor PayPal process payments for file lockers!

The first thing you need to do is find out which of the sites are hosting illegal content. Piracy doesn't seem to be an issue so you have to look beyond that and look for real illegal content, such as CP, rape, snuff, beast sex, and so on.

Go to FilesTube.com and search all the lockers from that location.

Example: http://www.filestube.com/search.html...sex&select=All

Here it's pulling all the content with "u15 dog sex" and all the file lockers. However, in the sidebar you can hunt per site. Go in there and look keyword by keyword and you'll find real quick which are bad file hosts and which are better. Then target the bad ones. But check the link on the actual site to make sure it's live, and it's best if the link has the keywords in it as well so it's clear what it is. Sometimes FilesTube will list links that have been deleted, so you need to double check.

Forget piracy in regards to all of this. Send your DMCA notices and be done with it. But target the other stuff and you have a hand they are forced to deal with.

I think targeting Paypal and bombing them with info on their clients hosting CP is a good start. This is how Paypal wants you to submit such content to them:

Thank you for contacting PayPal with your concern regarding sales that
potentially violate PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy.

We will investigate the matter and take appropriate action as necessary.

In the future, follow the instructions below if you encounter a seller's
website that you feel may violate our Acceptable Use Policy:

1. Log in to your PayPal account at https://www.paypal.com/
2. Click the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the PayPal webpage.
3. Click "Contact Customer Service".
4. Under the "Choose a Topic", select ?Protections/Privacy/Security ".
5. Under the "Choose a Subtopic", select "User Agreement ".

Please be as specific as possible in the message you enter, and include
a description of the prohibited item(s) being sold.

Again, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. Please let
us know if you need further assistance.

Follow their guidelines, send them the info they want along with the links they need to see, and keep at it. If enough people do this, it will force them to deal with the sites hosting CP and there is a good chance they will lose their account.

For everyone saying something must be done, go do it. I already am. You know what needs to be done so man up and drop a trillion ton shit hammer on their heads. It's been a long time coming. So if you want to make a difference, now is that time. Motivate yourself and do it. Otherwise, if you don't speak up, you can't complain about anything. This is going to take more than 1 or 2 people. They need to be bombarded with info on their clients who are selling anything that is against their AUP.

Good luck.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

Looks like Deposit Files just settled with Perfect 10
http://torrentfreak.com/depositfiles...awsuit-120613/

that sounds to me like they have porn which is adult which is against Paypal's terms.

This is their Achilles Heel. As DWB points out this is the method to use. All we need to come out of this is an organisation we can all contribute to, to make it their full time job, get the respect of Paypal and others and learn how to maximise on the effort.

Great posts Kane, DWB and AGS-17.

[Nautilus]

Maybe there is some religious board out there crusading for online porn and especially underage stuff? We'd feed them with enough links to raise hell with paypal, and they'll send them alot of warm personal letters which will mean better swarming effect.

I remember religious ppl did a fleshmob against .xxx with ICANN - they sent like 300-400 protests in total, and if I'm not mistaken that was only ONE board where a post was made with an idea to fleshmob ICANN. As much as they hate us, they were our allies on .xxx issue, and I'm pretty much sure they're allies on CP issue too.

Any thoughts on this?

[Radical Bucks]

More ccbill and Arizona here https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Maybe there is some religious board out there crusading for online porn and especially underage stuff? We'd feed them with enough links to raise hell with paypal, and they'll send them alot of warm personal letters which will mean better swarming effect.

I remember religious ppl did a fleshmob against .xxx with ICANN - they sent like 300-400 protests in total, and if I'm not mistaken that was only ONE board where a post was made with an idea to fleshmob ICANN. As much as they hate us, they were our allies on .xxx issue, and I'm pretty much sure they're allies on CP issue too.

Any thoughts on this?

As crazy as that sounds, I personally think it is brilliant IF you can get them properly targeted and directed. If they knew that file lockers are the #1 reason for child abuse and child porn in 2012, and that billing companies were the ONLY thing keeping them online, you just may be able to fire them up. Christians love to witch hunt and get active. So long as it doesn't backfire, if you can do it, go for it. Just think it through first.

Perhaps honesty would be the best way with them. Yes, you are in the adult industry but you have a common enemy, which is child porn and child abuse. Who can't rally behind that cause? Pedos really. That's it.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by DWB

Perhaps honesty would be the best way with them. Yes, you are in the adult industry but you have a common enemy, which is child porn and child abuse. Who can't rally behind that cause? Pedos really. That's it.

I agree.

Any ideas how to find such communities/forums? It's all theory until the first relevant community is found so we can prepare an introduction to the problem for them.

I tried to google some keywords that seem relevant such as "christians against child porn", but no luck so far, it's mostly news sites in the CERP.

[ninavain]

Christians = bad idea

to them ALL PORN is bad and ALL of you guys will go down

[EukerVoorn]

PayPal's motives are very simple; they start processing for a file locker and wait till there's big balance on the account and then freeze the account. When they do that you only get your money back after proving your identity to PayPal and this has to match with the name/address the account originally was registered to. A filelocker is likely to use fake details so PayPal can keep the balance.
This is going to the Dutch media next week.
Still I think Visa/MC shouldn't allow PayPal to process Visa/MC payments for filelockers in the first place.
It's really a very dirty business.

PS they froze my account about one year ago because I had more than 2500euro/year coming in, and I had to send them a copy of my passport. I had used my normal name when registering the account but in the passport there's my Catholic name which differs slighty from my normal name. They never unlocked my account, they wrote that they would contact me about how to get my money back in 6 months but that never happened.
There's thousands of stories like this on the web and it's incredible that the mainstream media never picked it up.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Maybe there is some religious board out there crusading for online porn and especially underage stuff? We'd feed them with enough links to raise hell with paypal, and they'll send them alot of warm personal letters which will mean better swarming effect.

I remember religious ppl did a fleshmob against .xxx with ICANN - they sent like 300-400 protests in total, and if I'm not mistaken that was only ONE board where a post was made with an idea to fleshmob ICANN. As much as they hate us, they were our allies on .xxx issue, and I'm pretty much sure they're allies on CP issue too.

Any thoughts on this?

Morality In Media
www.pornharms.com

They are very active and they are our allies. Get all the free porn from the web and TV, porn should be for adults with a credit card only

I contacted them about PayPal one year ago and they replied with positive response but then they found out who I am and stopped communicating with me

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Morality In Media
www.pornharms.com

They are very active and they are our allies. Get all the free porn from the web and TV, porn should be for adults with a credit card only

I contacted them about PayPal one year ago and they replied with positive response but then they found out who I am and stopped communicating with me

Thanks for the link.

But unfortunately they don't have a forum where it'd be possible to introduce our agenda gently, use carefully selected agruments, address their activists directly and to gradually build a followership. Without forum we'll have to rely on their superiours only, which most likely isn't going to fly well, as your example demostrates.

[EukerVoorn]

Try googlegroups.com or yahoogroups.com ? Lots of forums in there on every possible subject.

[AGS-17]

That's all very nice.

But don't you see what's going on?

All threads die down, CCBILL is making shit load of money with uploaded.to

All they needed to do is have some of their I guess "friends" to post a few posts in their defense and largely ignore everything else.

I wouldn't be surprised If within next few weeks we'll be seeing CCBILL on other file lockers.

[alf6300]

I don't think "Christian" groups would want to be associated with any adult group - even if it is for the common cause of fighting CP.

[AGS-17]

I'm very glad to see CCBILL come to their senses and comeback from the dark side, supporting our community of adult webmasters, it was a right thing to do.

I hope other companies from our industry will follow and it is our job to help them go in the right direction.

Here I've made a list of services who use one of the most well known adult host webazilla.com

Here you go:

depositfiles.com - alexa 187
hotfile.com - alexa 480
freakshare.com - alexa 722
bitshare.com - alexa 757
filesonic.com - alexa 799
uploading.com - alexa 1114
filepost.com - alexa 1269


Not bad huh? I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Guys, does anyone here know Alex XE? He seems to frequent the industry get togethers and conferences, so may be someone could talk to him about that. Turns out that one particular company is hosting the vast majority of these pirate sites, do you think we could contact FBI about this?

Moreover I discovered this: ? Master-X, 1999-2012, Hosted by Webazilla. This is a
Russian adult webmaster forum.

Nautilus, you must have contact information for Alex, may you could show him this thread. It seems that you are very firm on fighting the file lockers and I hope this is not just for show and that you can influence Webazilla to rethink their decision.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by alf6300

I don't think "Christian" groups would want to be associated with any adult group - even if it is for the common cause of fighting CP.

They may if it's from a reformed porner.

One of my best friends is a reformed porner. He busts my balls daily but doesn't let Jesus get between us. He may be down for the cause. Will check.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by AGS-17

depositfiles.com - alexa 187
hotfile.com - alexa 480
freakshare.com - alexa 722
bitshare.com - alexa 757
filesonic.com - alexa 799
uploading.com - alexa 1114
filepost.com - alexa 1269

Which of them have active affiliate programs?

Those are the ones you want first. That is what employees so many thieving cunts. Cut out their pay and they will upload somewhere else. Sooner or later they will run out of places that can pay them.

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by DWB

Which of them have active affiliate programs?

Those are the ones you want first. That is what employees so many thieving cunts. Cut out their pay and they will upload somewhere else. Sooner or later they will run out of places that can pay them.

Depositfiles
Oron.com
FileFactory
Turbobit.net
Extabit.com
Rapidgator.net (FAST growing new site mostly porn).
Netload
Uploaded.to

These are the ones with affiliate programs I come across on forums and the most discussed amongst professional uploaders on DP and WJ.

porn alone should be enough for some of them to lose their Paypal (oron and uploaded already have), Depositfiles has a huge amount of Lolita cartoon type content, god knows how paypal still process for them. as mentioned paypal is the biggest blow for file lockers, it a solution they can't just replaced. hammer paypal with complaints.

[alf6300]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

as mentioned paypal is the biggest blow for file lockers, it a solution they can't just replaced. hammer paypal with complaints.

Maybe someone with direct insights on how to be the most effective could prepare something like a quick guide:

1) write to address xxxx@xxx at paypal
2) say the following / modify this template
3) include xyz
etc.

if such a quick guide is put together, I suggest to post it as a new thread for maximum exposure.
with a very clear subject like: "Do your bit against filelockers - Follow these instructions"

[AdultKing]

There is a group which would target this if someone wants to email them and actively pursue it.

Melinda Tankard-Reist, http://melindatankardreist.com/ one of our local wowsers in Australia runs a global organization called Collective Shout http://collectiveshout.org/ . She would be all over this, she's frighteningly successful at shutting down big business when they associate porn with their products.

The tactic would be to highlight that a global company Paypal (mention the eBay connection) is processing for child pornography. She'd be in the media the very next day.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

There is a group which would target this if someone wants to email them and actively pursue it.

Melinda Tankard-Reist, http://melindatankardreist.com/ one of our local wowsers in Australia runs a global organization called Collective Shout http://collectiveshout.org/ . She would be all over this, she's frighteningly successful at shutting down big business when they associate porn with their products.

The tactic would be to highlight that a global company Paypal (mention the eBay connection) is processing for child pornography. She'd be in the media the very next day.

That sounds like an option indeed... Probably the best idea in this thread so far.

[AdultKing]

A correctly targeted and level headed Twitter campaign would help also. I know for a fact that eBay uses media monitors and one of the media reported on is Twitter.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by AGS-17

Nautilus, you must have contact information for Alex, may you could show him this thread. It seems that you are very firm on fighting the file lockers and I hope this is not just for show and that you can influence Webazilla to rethink their decision.

I will contact him on this issue, but I do not think my opinion alone can influence their policy regarding cooperation with filehosts. It takes alot of people and alot of clients rebelling, as CCBill issue showed just one day ago.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

I will contact him on this issue, but I do not think my opinion alone can influence their policy regarding cooperation with filehosts. It takes alot of people and alot of clients rebelling, as CCBill issue showed just one day ago.

That's very true, any company is going to be naturally reluctant to part with income. Companies don't, by their very nature, have a conscience, so the only way to get their attention is to threaten the broader business somehow. Often for companies like eBay / Paypal you'll find negative publicity helps alot. Unfortunately many privately held companies that don't rely on the public's goodwill wont respond to such pressure.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

A correctly targeted and level headed Twitter campaign would help also. I know for a fact that eBay uses media monitors and one of the media reported on is Twitter.

Looks like you have yet another great idea. Maybe also a network of crosslinked blogs to refer to in this campaign will add some more fuel into the fire? We can set up 5-10 of such blong with the names like onlineabusemonitor (to avoid trademark issues), and feed them with on topic articles. Those who're good at discovery will be collecting facts, and those who're good at writing a story will be putting up new posts together and sending them to all participants for publications. Since there's virtually endless stream of abuse that is going on at filehosts, we can post new story at least every week at each and every of such blogs, with new facts, screenshots and comments. Then we can refer to those blogs on twitter, youtube, facebook etc to increase exposure and SE visibility.

And we can also host the entire network at PRQ lol, to make it out of reach for legal threats.

[just a punk]

You guys forgot about "resellers" that have VISA/MC and PayPal for almost every file locker. E.g.: https://www.premiumissuer.com/

[AGS-17]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

I will contact him on this issue, but I do not think my opinion alone can influence their policy regarding cooperation with filehosts. It takes alot of people and alot of clients rebelling, as CCBill issue showed just one day ago.

You go right ahead and do that, Nautilus. May be talk to anyone you know who hosts there and persuade them to leave Webazilla if they don't immediately agree to loose file lockers.

You can make some sort of an announcement here on GFY and urge whoever is using the Webazilla to drop them.

Almost all of the sites I listed have open affiliate programs and biggest ones accept PayPal. It really is interesting, why does PayPal still has them and allows them to sell awful things.

Let's all report to PayPal like you guys did before, it should get their attention when a few thousands of reports hits them!

Let's start with the biggest ones, DepositFiles and Hotfile, they are almost 100% porn and that is YOUR porn out there, given away for nearly free, lining their pockets with green.

[AGS-17]

Originally Posted by DWB

Which of them have active affiliate programs?

Those are the ones you want first. That is what employees so many thieving cunts. Cut out their pay and they will upload somewhere else. Sooner or later they will run out of places that can pay them.

Almost all of them and largest are depositfiles.com, hotfile.com. Open affiliate programs heavily advertised, I've been seeing drastic increase in piracy there. I guess the fact that they have PayPal and pay top dollars for YOUR content really draws the crowd in there.

It strange that you guys overlook these monsters, check out their traffic rates and what's uploaded there. All of your sites ripped down to the last byte along with cp and who knows what else.

All of them are Webazilla.com clients to boot.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by AGS-17

Almost all of them and largest are depositfiles.com, hotfile.com.

You're not up to date. Hotfile is still big, but their traffic is dropping like a rock, because they have 3-strikes policy against repeat offenders and they really do observe it. They're not big in adult anymore, since about 1.5 years ago when they were first sued by major studious. We send 2-3 links/month to them for removal on average, so they're almost not a problem anymore. Almost impossible to find hotfile links on adult piracy sites nowadays. And they also do honestly use MD5 hashes to block repeat uploads of the removed files. There is really no sense wasting our limited time and efforts on hotfile, especially since they still have a lawsuit vs major studios such as Disney pending, which will most likely get them bunkrupt when the ruling comes out.

Depositfiles is a problem, yes, but not the biggest one, by far. They do have repeat infringer policy, and MD5 blocking, but they seem to implement both selectively - when they think a company that sends them DMCA can cause them more trouble than it is worth. They're used by adult content pirates, but they're not the host of choice for most of them. And they also have lots of lawsuits pending too, and they're on the top priority hit list for MPAA and RIAA - let them handle this issue, and not waste our scarce resource on them.

Adult piracy wise, the worst offenders are: oron, extabit, rapidgator, letitbit, turbobit, netload, and also a bunch of new hosts that are popping up left and right recently. We should concentrate our efforts on those ones, and "outsource" to hollywood the rest of them.