Thinking of promoting Wowgirls - how are the rebills? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 07-26-2012, 02:22 AM

Since it's a revshare program it would be nice to know how it rebills. Anybody have numbers?

Pseudonymous · 07-26-2012, 02:33 AM

First 5-6 days i chose to promote them... sent them 35 sales

Of those 35, 3 have rebilled.

I was just about to contact their support and ask what is going on

I have a members area pass and the content looks good and the girls look good and it updates pretty frequently but probably not as much as most big multi girl sites. Looks like it updates once a day

Mutt · 07-26-2012, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

First 5-6 days i chose to promote them... sent them 35 sales

Of those 35, 3 have rebilled.

I was just about to contact their support and ask what is going on

I have a members area pass and the content looks good and the girls look good and it updates pretty frequently but probably not as much as most big multi girl sites. Looks like it updates once a day

but how many of those 35 sales are still in their first billing period and still could rebill?

lucas131 · 07-26-2012, 02:40 AM

my rebills sucks there too, and i have been also contacted by email asking me how are the rebills, if its not anyone of you, it looks like more people are not so happy with rebills there

Pseudonymous · 07-26-2012, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

but how many of those 35 sales are still in their first billing period and still could rebill?

All. I stopped pushing them after finding those numbers absurd.

Those numbers just dont add up IMO. Even with the worst content, i've seen better ratios. So something rubs me the wrong way.

Considering the quality of their content and models, the only explanation is that this content has been used before on their other sites/networks or just non exclusive but i dont believe either of these to be true.

Im not sure to be honest, maybe they can fill me in.

Pseudonymous · 07-26-2012, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

my rebills sucks there too, and i have been also contacted by email asking me how are the rebills, if its not anyone of you, it looks like more people are not so happy with rebills there

That was me. However i only really noticed when it was brought to my attention actually. So there are others most definitely

lucas131 · 07-26-2012, 02:55 AM

oh ok, and as i said, maybe it have something to do with this?

wowgirls.com
younglegalporn.com

not sure, but the content really looks very similar ...

alf6300 · 07-26-2012, 03:17 AM

Just looked at their join page http://wowgirls.com/join.html

It lets you choose between recurring and non-recurring. BUT there's no mention of any discount for recurring.

When you proceed to the CCBill actual form, you are just shown the option you have chosen in the prejoin (and you can't change it unless you go back to the previous page)

So my hunch would be: most people just choose "non recurring" in the prejoin. They are never told, in their flow, that there's a discount for recurring.

To me it looks like one of those tiny blunders that can cost very dearly to a business.

Pseudonymous · 07-26-2012, 03:27 AM

Oh yeah I see what youre talking about, thats very strange of them to offer both and not really mention the discount! Big mistake.

Secondly, youre right, some of my sales are non recurring, about half. Still horrible rebill ratio though

So now theres two flaws, a bad rebill ratio and them giving two options without the mention of a discount for the recurring option.

Hopefully they address these issues and we can all make more money.

anexsia · 07-26-2012, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Oh yeah I see what youre talking about, thats very strange of them to offer both and not really mention the discount! Big mistake.

Secondly, youre right, some of my sales are non recurring, about half. Still horrible rebill ratio though

So now theres two flaws, a bad rebill ratio and them giving two options without the mention of a discount for the recurring option.

Hopefully they address these issues and we can all make more money.

Sorry to bring this off topic but I see that the Hailey Leigh page says coming August 1st...is that when it will be available to promote through Solo Revenue?

Pseudonymous · 07-26-2012, 03:38 AM

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Sorry to bring this off topic but I see that the Hailey Leigh page says coming August 1st...is that when it will be available to promote through Solo Revenue?

Whoops, thanks, i will update that, sadly its 2 weeks behind. Had something set me back a couple weeks. Only reason it will take 2 weeks, has to be approved by Visa/Mastercard still. Also thinking of switching my affiliate tools software, want to start offering flash banners.

anexsia · 07-26-2012, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Whoops, thanks, i will update that, sadly its 2 weeks behind. Had something set me back a couple weeks. Only reason it will take 2 weeks, has to be approved by Visa/Mastercard still. Also thinking of switching my affiliate tools software, want to start offering flash banners.

Cool, thanks

Roald · 07-26-2012, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

All. I stopped pushing them after finding those numbers absurd.

Those numbers just dont add up IMO. Even with the worst content, i've seen better ratios. So something rubs me the wrong way.

Considering the quality of their content and models, the only explanation is that this content has been used before on their other sites/networks or just non exclusive but i dont believe either of these to be true.

Im not sure to be honest, maybe they can fill me in.

Correct me if im wrong but if all are still in their first billing period and can still rebill then how are the numbers off? Or am I reading this wrong?

Pseudonymous · 07-26-2012, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Correct me if im wrong but if all are still in their first billing period and can still rebill then how are the numbers off? Or am I reading this wrong?

I meant none, not 'all'

haha it's the middle of the night here

lucas131 · 07-26-2012, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

but how many of those 35 sales are still in their first billing period and still could rebill?

lol

anexsia · 07-26-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

lol

I know right, this gif is funny as hell

Roald · 07-26-2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I meant none, not 'all'

haha it's the middle of the night here

Lol ok

Paul Markham · 07-26-2012, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

oh ok, and as i said, maybe it have something to do with this?

wowgirls.com
younglegalporn.com

not sure, but the content really looks very similar ...

Same tour, new content sometimes and new domain. Rinse and repeat.

alf6300 · 07-26-2012, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Same tour, new content sometimes and new domain. Rinse and repeat.

Personally I like the 'tour', it looks much less pornish and tourish than most stuff around. I wouldn't mind as a surfer if the tour concept is used on more than one site - as long as obviously the content is not the same.

Pseudonymous · 07-26-2012, 05:27 AM

I was contacted by diesel, apparently rebills were fine and that only 8 sales were recurring!! Theres no way to go into stats and get an accurate number of which ones were recurring and which weren't so i just gave a rough estimation. turned out that not having the price difference on the page where they select recurring vs non recurring really makes a huge difference. because out of that many sales, only a handful selected recurring, for obvious reasons.

he'll be changing that and hopefully more people select recurring

This change should help them alot considering the length of success of a site highly depends on rebilling customers.

alf6300 · 07-26-2012, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I was contacted by diesel, apparently rebills were fine and that only 8 sales were recurring!! Theres no way to go into stats and get an accurate number of which ones were recurring and which weren't so i just gave a rough estimation. turned out that not having the price difference on the page where they select recurring vs non recurring really makes a huge difference. because out of that many sales, only a handful selected recurring, for obvious reasons.

he'll be changing that and hopefully more people select recurring

This change should help them alot considering the length of success of a site highly depends on rebilling customers.

Awesome, happy to be helpful, I'll ask them for a gift for my birthday, and you should ask for one too

lucas131 · 07-26-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alf6300

Awesome, happy to be helpful, I'll ask them for a gift for my birthday, and you should ask for one too

i want this girl for my birthday

please

diesel · 07-26-2012, 07:06 AM

Thank you guys for bringing it up. Nothing makes my day nicer than talking about our lovely products )

The content of Wow Girls is exclusive and absolutely amazing. There is no any problem with rebills and we have outstanding reviews across all review sites and a lot of positive members. Just to show few from thebestporn.com

http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=71347
http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=72899
http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=71849
http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=72038

We have also added our popular and exclusive live shows just a week ago and it's a free add on.

However, there is indeed a problem with % of rec and non rec sales and I am glad this post came up, I am taking care of it right now. We were blind by success of sales during beta testing and didnt notice the shift of sales to non recurring memberships. This issue will be fixed and tested during the weekend. Thanks again!

diesel · 07-26-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Same tour, new content sometimes and new domain. Rinse and repeat.

This is entertaining. I love your avatar.

diesel · 07-26-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by alf6300

Personally I like the 'tour', it looks much less pornish and tourish than most stuff around. I wouldn't mind as a surfer if the tour concept is used on more than one site - as long as obviously the content is not the same.

You got it right. We also created a lot of tools and monitoring systems around this tour which gives us a lot of information how to improve it and we release new version of it every few months. What you see on WowGirls is the latest generation of tour which is a monster in terms of sales.

Paul Markham · 07-26-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alf6300

Personally I like the 'tour', it looks much less pornish and tourish than most stuff around. I wouldn't mind as a surfer if the tour concept is used on more than one site - as long as obviously the content is not the same.

So do I. Never said anything was wrong and doing it this way might make previous members feel more confident. Might make a few suspect they have seen the content and getting the non recurring to test it. Just a theory.

alf6300 · 07-26-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

i want this girl for my birthday

please

when is your birthday?

Yanks_Todd · 07-26-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I was contacted by diesel, apparently rebills were fine and that only 8 sales were recurring!! Theres no way to go into stats and get an accurate number of which ones were recurring and which weren't so i just gave a rough estimation. turned out that not having the price difference on the page where they select recurring vs non recurring really makes a huge difference. because out of that many sales, only a handful selected recurring, for obvious reasons.

he'll be changing that and hopefully more people select recurring

This change should help them alot considering the length of success of a site highly depends on rebilling customers.

Hey Dude, shoot me an email or ICQ. Love to chat

adultmobile · 07-26-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by diesel

You got it right. We also created a lot of tools and monitoring systems around this tour which gives us a lot of information how to improve it and we release new version of it every few months. What you see on WowGirls is the latest generation of tour which is a monster in terms of sales.

wowgirls younglegalporn 18onlygirls -> very good. some old diesel stuff recycled here and there but was good stuff before anyway

Just a note beeg got 8 mins "previews":

http://beeg.com/3862777
http://beeg.com/4372084
http://beeg.com/8972165
http://beeg.com/5192148
http://beeg.com/7787061
http://beeg.com/7224874

Quite longer than the 16-20 seconds clips in wowgirls tour - but a 20 seconds clip in a tube it make no sense anyway...

diesel · 07-26-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

wowgirls younglegalporn 18onlygirls -> very good. some old diesel stuff recycled here and there but was good stuff before anyway

Just a note beeg got 8 mins "previews":

http://beeg.com/3862777
http://beeg.com/4372084
http://beeg.com/8972165
http://beeg.com/5192148
http://beeg.com/7787061
http://beeg.com/7224874

Quite longer than the 16-20 seconds clips in wowgirls tour - but a 20 seconds clip in a tube it make no sense anyway...

Hey, thank you!

I am not a fan of long trailers on tours. Users come ready to join.

fuzebox · 07-26-2012, 04:43 PM

I would never have a non-recurring billing option. Recurring memberships are our lifeblood

Even my 90 days rebill.

lucas131 · 07-26-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by alf6300

when is your birthday?

anytime

07-26-2012, 02:22 AM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Thinking of promoting Wowgirls - how are the rebills? Since it's a revshare program it would be nice to know how it rebills. Anybody have numbers? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-26-2012, 02:33 AM	#2
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	First 5-6 days i chose to promote them... sent them 35 sales Of those 35, 3 have rebilled. I was just about to contact their support and ask what is going on I have a members area pass and the content looks good and the girls look good and it updates pretty frequently but probably not as much as most big multi girl sites. Looks like it updates once a day __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com Last edited by Pseudonymous; 07-26-2012 at 02:36 AM..

07-26-2012, 03:17 AM	#8
alf6300 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 766	Just looked at their join page http://wowgirls.com/join.html It lets you choose between recurring and non-recurring. BUT there's no mention of any discount for recurring. When you proceed to the CCBill actual form, you are just shown the option you have chosen in the prejoin (and you can't change it unless you go back to the previous page) So my hunch would be: most people just choose "non recurring" in the prejoin. They are never told, in their flow, that there's a discount for recurring. To me it looks like one of those tiny blunders that can cost very dearly to a business. __________________ --

07-26-2012, 03:27 AM	#9
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	Oh yeah I see what youre talking about, thats very strange of them to offer both and not really mention the discount! Big mistake. Secondly, youre right, some of my sales are non recurring, about half. Still horrible rebill ratio though So now theres two flaws, a bad rebill ratio and them giving two options without the mention of a discount for the recurring option. Hopefully they address these issues and we can all make more money. __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

07-26-2012, 05:27 AM	#20
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	I was contacted by diesel, apparently rebills were fine and that only 8 sales were recurring!! Theres no way to go into stats and get an accurate number of which ones were recurring and which weren't so i just gave a rough estimation. turned out that not having the price difference on the page where they select recurring vs non recurring really makes a huge difference. because out of that many sales, only a handful selected recurring, for obvious reasons. he'll be changing that and hopefully more people select recurring This change should help them alot considering the length of success of a site highly depends on rebilling customers. __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

07-26-2012, 02:40 AM	#4
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	my rebills sucks there too, and i have been also contacted by email asking me how are the rebills, if its not anyone of you, it looks like more people are not so happy with rebills there

07-26-2012, 02:55 AM	#7
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	oh ok, and as i said, maybe it have something to do with this? wowgirls.com younglegalporn.com not sure, but the content really looks very similar ...

07-26-2012, 07:06 AM	#23
diesel Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 1,097	Thank you guys for bringing it up. Nothing makes my day nicer than talking about our lovely products ) The content of Wow Girls is exclusive and absolutely amazing. There is no any problem with rebills and we have outstanding reviews across all review sites and a lot of positive members. Just to show few from thebestporn.com http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=71347 http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=72899 http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=71849 http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=72038 We have also added our popular and exclusive live shows just a week ago and it's a free add on. However, there is indeed a problem with % of rec and non rec sales and I am glad this post came up, I am taking care of it right now. We were blind by success of sales during beta testing and didnt notice the shift of sales to non recurring memberships. This issue will be fixed and tested during the weekend. Thanks again!

07-26-2012, 04:43 PM	#31
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,063	I would never have a non-recurring billing option. Recurring memberships are our lifeblood Even my 90 days rebill.