Wtf are APIs

[Jel]

Anyone care to dumb it down for a tech-idiot?

[ShoeBox]

Originally Posted by Jel

Anyone care to dumb it down for a tech-idiot?

application programming interface

[Zeiss]

Some things that allow programs to talk to each other.

[Jel]

awesome, thanks for your help

[DWB]

If I have a site that offers an API, you could pull data (images, video, text) from my site, based on what I allow in the API, and you add it to your site. You could add it to your tours, your members area, whatever. And the content could be whatever I could create, members content, webcam, date profiles, or whatever you can dream up.

Though it is not an iframe, for the sake of truing to explain it to you, think of it as an advanced iframe.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by DWB

If I have a site that offers an API, you could pull data (images, video, text) from my site, based on what I allow in the API, and you add it to your site. You could add it to your tours, your members area, whatever. And the content could be whatever I could create, members content, webcam, date profiles, or whatever you can dream up.

Though it is not an iframe, for the sake of truing to explain it to you, think of it as an advanced iframe.

Ah ok cheers mate

So, I make eg a landing page/tour, and pull (for lack of knowing the correct term) your API and insert that into my join page I create, for example?

[VenusBlogger]

The question is how are people supposed to make money using APIs ?..

I mean, I really don't see any difference between using or not using API's...

Using API's won't make you convert better than not using them.

Really wonder why people get so crazy about API's?... Really wondering, unless im missing some "SECRET" of the api..

I guess nobody will answer me, right?

Piriod.

[digitalfantasies]

so it's an expensive word for iframe

API : Advanced Porn Iframe

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

The question is how are people supposed to make money using APIs ?..

I mean, I really don't see any difference between using or not using API's...

Using API's won't make you convert better than not using them.

Really wonder why people get so crazy about API's?... Really wondering, unless im missing some "SECRET" of the api..

I guess nobody will answer me, right?

Piriod.

It's pretty simple, actually: APIs allow you to automate tasks in a predictable fashion. If you can build it by hand, you can build 1,000 of them in a few minutes with an API.

So, let's take a blog and a tube, for example. If a sponsor has an API, I can suck down all of their content they way *I* want it (not how their RSS feed makes me have it), and display it the way *I* want it.

Not wanting to have that flexibility, power, and availability shows a poor understanding of online marketing, or is just plain laziness.

Does that make better sense?

[blazin]

Example: You might find some dating sites have a API for the join page.. Using these you could build a single web interface that signs a user to multiple sites with the a single join page.

[Jel]

How would a tech idiot such as myself incorporate API(s) into my sites/pages?

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by blazin

Example: You might find some dating sites have a API for the join page.. Using these you could build a single web interface that signs a user to multiple sites with the a single join page.

[Jel]

Also edgeprod, looking at your API thread - I currently can't change an rss feed the way I want it to look, unless a sponsor has an API and not just a normal rss feed, correct? So at present, again going by your other thread, the lack of sponsor APIs = tons and tons and tons of dupe content, as opposed to just tons of dupe content with APIs, or would that pretty much be the same amount of dupe content if eg every sponsor started using them, just displayed in a different order?

eg

pic
text
banner

banner
text
pic

? Sorry for the dumb questions but like they say, you only know when you know

[fris]

Originally Posted by Jel

Anyone care to dumb it down for a tech-idiot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applica...ming_interface

best explaination.

this site is great also for apis

http://www.programmableweb.com/

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by Jel

Also edgeprod, looking at your API thread - I currently can't change an rss feed the way I want it to look, unless a sponsor has an API and not just a normal rss feed, correct? So at present, again going by your other thread, the lack of sponsor APIs = tons and tons and tons of dupe content, as opposed to just tons of dupe content with APIs, or would that pretty much be the same amount of dupe content if eg every sponsor started using them, just displayed in a different order?

eg

pic
text
banner

banner
text
pic

? Sorry for the dumb questions but like they say, you only know when you know

You can break apart an RSS and display it how you wish, text etc will still be the same, however you can work around that to an extent.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by blazin

Example: You might find some dating sites have a API for the join page.. Using these you could build a single web interface that signs a user to multiple sites with the a single join page.

See sig!

[BAKO]

Who knows ?

[epitome]

A great example is all of the Twitter apps not published by Twitter. They use APIs to push and pull data to the Twitter servers.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by Jel

Also edgeprod, looking at your API thread - I currently can't change an rss feed the way I want it to look, unless a sponsor has an API and not just a normal rss feed, correct? So at present, again going by your other thread, the lack of sponsor APIs = tons and tons and tons of dupe content, as opposed to just tons of dupe content with APIs, or would that pretty much be the same amount of dupe content if eg every sponsor started using them, just displayed in a different order?

Think of it this way:

When a sponsor gives you RSS, you are stuck with what they provide. Not just the text, but the pictures, the RESOURCES available to you. With an API, *you* choose the resources.

Let's say you're trying to win a contest for the best cherry pie. Do you want to use the store-brand cherry pie kit (RSS) or make it from scratch (API)? Which do you think surfers would prefer, and which would generate the most signups?

And API works like:

Ok, I want to pull the 3 most recent sets, and then these 7 specific sets, 5 pics per set, and post them to here, here, and here. RSS works like this: I want to pull X amount of sets to ... here. Using the options the SPONSOR gives me, not necessarily what I'd prefer.

[scottybuzz]

say you build up a ..... small analytics company for local people with websites. but you don't actually have the technology to do shit. You can use others data from their API's to display all in your frontend/backend. Of course your customers think that data is yours.

But your fucked if those other companies decide to restrict access or make changes to their API.

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

It's pretty simple, actually: APIs allow you to automate tasks in a predictable fashion. If you can build it by hand, you can build 1,000 of them in a few minutes with an API.

So, let's take a blog and a tube, for example. If a sponsor has an API, I can suck down all of their content they way *I* want it (not how their RSS feed makes me have it), and display it the way *I* want it.

Not wanting to have that flexibility, power, and availability shows a poor understanding of online marketing, or is just plain laziness.

Does that make better sense?

Thanks for the explanation.

Yes I have many WordPress BLOGS.. So I go to a sponsor, grab and API and then import?

Is it that simple?


And why people talk about DATING APIs all the time? I can understand importing galleries into a BLOG.. but DATING APIs?.. no galleries at all.. DATING is DATING, not galleries.. I dont get it, why people talk about forms and dating APIs all the time, like its something MAGIC and SECRET or kind of blackhat to make money.. any ideas?

Thanks.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

See sig!

applied.

[Jel]

thanks all so far

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Thanks for the explanation.

Yes I have many WordPress BLOGS.. So I go to a sponsor, grab and API and then import?

Is it that simple?


And why people talk about DATING APIs all the time? I can understand importing galleries into a BLOG.. but DATING APIs?.. no galleries at all.. DATING is DATING, not galleries.. I dont get it, why people talk about forms and dating APIs all the time, like its something MAGIC and SECRET or kind of blackhat to make money.. any ideas?

Thanks.

I really can't distill it any further, but you need to NOT think about it as galleries. Think about it as little blocks of data that you can do whatever with.

Want to build a fake dating site? Dating API. Want to have a redheads pop up on your redheads category of your tube? Dating API. Want to just show online users when they're actually online? Dating API.

It's ... it's little pieces of data that you can put wherever you want for whatever purpose. It's up to you to figure out what to do with the data.

From reading your posts in other threads, I'd say that APIs are beyond the scope of your abilities .... but if there are enough people like you, I'll build some tools that bring the power of APIs into you reach.

[edgeprod]

I made a couple of tech demos so you can see what I'm talking about more easily:

http://www.gayheap.com
http://blog.gayheap.com
http://tube.gayheap.com

I whipped each of these sites up in less than 30 minutes, including design, using the API.

The first example pulls the most recent scene from 3 different sites, then displays a hosted video (if one exists). If not, it shows the "large" picture. It then pulls the scene title, the models in the scene, and the scene teaser text. It pulls the URL for the tour, and a couple of other images as well, and then slaps them up on a page. Easy-peasy, and it updates when the sites update. Surfers can scroll to older updates with the navigation at the bottom of the page. I didn't add any search because my goal was to finish each site in less than 30 minutes, as a proof of concept.

The second example was a (CSS) re-skin of the original site, without the thumbnail row, and without the flash videos. More of a "blog" feel to it. It has the "full" descriptions for the sets, rather than the shorter ones used on the previous site.

The third example is just a simple attempt at making a MGP masquerading as a simple tube. It just refers the surfer to the tour pages, but it serves as a proof-of-concept for handling video-type sites.

Does this help to make more sense about APIs? The "components" (a picture, a description, a model's name) were all available to me, and I chose how to lay them out on the page. Compare and contrast that to what you get with RSS, or another format.

If you want an example of a killer API, check out Pink Visual's implementation:

http://api.pinkvisual.com/

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The term API is APplication Interface?

The FB and Twitter log-in buttons you see are one example -- those APIs also track data for the website whether you log in (are logged in (or not?))

[slapass]

Originally Posted by blazin

Example: You might find some dating sites have a API for the join page.. Using these you could build a single web interface that signs a user to multiple sites with the a single join page.

This is. Right here.

[CYF]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

And why people talk about DATING APIs all the time? I can understand importing galleries into a BLOG.. but DATING APIs?.. no galleries at all.. DATING is DATING, not galleries.. I dont get it, why people talk about forms and dating APIs all the time, like its something MAGIC and SECRET or kind of blackhat to make money.. any ideas?

Thanks.

Want to take a user signup, and submit them to 3 or 4 or 10 dating program sponsors at once? API.

A smarter idea is to take their email, submit them to one sponsor, and if they're already part of that website you can cascade down and sign them up to a second sponsor, etc. You can do that with API.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

I made a couple of tech demos so you can see what I'm talking about more easily:

http://www.gayheap.com
http://blog.gayheap.com
http://tube.gayheap.com

I whipped each of these sites up in less than 30 minutes, including design, using the API.

The first example pulls the most recent scene from 3 different sites, then displays a hosted video (if one exists). If not, it shows the "large" picture. It then pulls the scene title, the models in the scene, and the scene teaser text. It pulls the URL for the tour, and a couple of other images as well, and then slaps them up on a page. Easy-peasy, and it updates when the sites update. Surfers can scroll to older updates with the navigation at the bottom of the page. I didn't add any search because my goal was to finish each site in less than 30 minutes, as a proof of concept.

The second example was a (CSS) re-skin of the original site, without the thumbnail row, and without the flash videos. More of a "blog" feel to it. It has the "full" descriptions for the sets, rather than the shorter ones used on the previous site.

The third example is just a simple attempt at making a MGP masquerading as a simple tube. It just refers the surfer to the tour pages, but it serves as a proof-of-concept for handling video-type sites.

Does this help to make more sense about APIs? The "components" (a picture, a description, a model's name) were all available to me, and I chose how to lay them out on the page. Compare and contrast that to what you get with RSS, or another format.

If you want an example of a killer API, check out Pink Visual's implementation:

http://api.pinkvisual.com/

Gotcha, my questions:

1. Is this not just another instance of mass dupe content, just laid out different, so in theory there will be thousands of pages the exact same if x amount of affiliates implemented it?
2. Seems I need to have some kind of programming skill, rather than just copy/paste snippets of code to arrange layout as I want?
3. PV example I need to sign up for a developers license to have a play with it, as such?

[Jel]

ok so I'm at the PV site, select some parameters, and get a line of code spat out - absolutely no idea what to do with it (think telling someone who has never seen html in their life to put an image in image tags, to get an idea of my knowledge of this subject) - where's a good resource to learn how to implement the data in xyz scenario

[Sharky]

A "Dating API" is a way for YOU the affiliate to create and host your own landing page/join form. The form is submitted and sent, via API, to the dating site which bypasses their join form. The easiest way to start using a dating API is with Lead Wrench, which requires very little tech knowledge, if any.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by Jel

Gotcha, my questions:

1. Is this not just another instance of mass dupe content, just laid out different, so in theory there will be thousands of pages the exact same if x amount of affiliates implemented it?
2. Seems I need to have some kind of programming skill, rather than just copy/paste snippets of code to arrange layout as I want?
3. PV example I need to sign up for a developers license to have a play with it, as such?

1. If used improperly, anything will lead to massive amounts of duplicate content. With Google handing out penalties like they're going out of style, that isn't good for anyone. When I invented morphing feeds for RSS, I never envisioned that people would make such shitty "morphing feeds" and try to pass them off as the real thing. Sadly, it ruined the effectiveness of what would have been a great tool. Still, no one does it even remotely like I had described initially, and people are so used to them being shit that it isn't even worth doing "right" now.

2. If you have programming knowledge, you'll avoid the pitfalls of #1. If not, you'll just be another people slapping shit together half-assed. A good compromise is to work with a programmer to utilize an API. Usually, it just needs to be set up once.

3. You sign up to use their API, yes. This allows them to keep tight control on how and where their content is being used. You can play a bit without their direct approval, but live usage with any sort of real functionality requires a full API key.

Originally Posted by Jel

ok so I'm at the PV site, select some parameters, and get a line of code spat out - absolutely no idea what to do with it (think telling someone who has never seen html in their life to put an image in image tags, to get an idea of my knowledge of this subject) - where's a good resource to learn how to implement the data in xyz scenario

It's not something a novice should be playing with, in all honesty. You have to process the XML or JSON into something useful (HTML output, at the end of the day). It's not a 10/10 on the difficulty scale, but it's not for someone without programming knowledge, either.

Anyone can USE an API .. doing something USEFUL with it is something entirely different.

I notice you just got spammed by a dating API aggregator in this thread. Lead Wrench would actually be much more effective for you. It's a "Push API," meaning it takes YOUR data and PUTS it somewhere (in this case, it pushes it to dating sponsors who pay you for the input). A "Pull API" (what I am looking for in the other thread) is for getting data OUT, so that I can build sites.

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by CYF

Want to take a user signup, and submit them to 3 or 4 or 10 dating program sponsors at once? API.

A smarter idea is to take their email, submit them to one sponsor, and if they're already part of that website you can cascade down and sign them up to a second sponsor, etc. You can do that with API.

Ok, so If I have a wordpress blog, and have a register widget for my blog, for WORDPRESS... can I use the sponsor API to TRICK the USER?

The user signpus for my wordpress BLOG and at the same time he signups for the sponsor and I get paid for the free signup?

I didn't know that was allowed by sponsors at all.. its some kind of BLACK-HAT...

I guess there must be many of these tricks im not aware of, and thats the way people are doing money now, right?

I always ask abotu CAMS+DATING secrets, and I guess here is a sample, right?

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Ok, so If I have a wordpress blog, and have a register widget for my blog, for WORDPRESS... can I use the sponsor API to TRICK the USER?

The user signpus for my wordpress BLOG and at the same time he signups for the sponsor and I get paid for the free signup?

I didn't know that was allowed by sponsors at all.. its some kind of BLACK-HAT...

I guess there must be many of these tricks im not aware of, and thats the way people are doing money now, right?

I always ask abotu CAMS+DATING secrets, and I guess here is a sample, right?

Jesus, why would you even CONSIDER that? Part of the reason our conversions took a nose-dive (even prior to everyone's favorite villain THE TUBES) was that people were doing dirty shit to users and they were getting fed up with it.

[2012]

i think wtf bucks has a wtf api for making bucks. see sig

[Jel]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

1. If used improperly, anything will lead to massive amounts of duplicate content. With Google handing out penalties like they're going out of style, that isn't good for anyone. When I invented morphing feeds for RSS, I never envisioned that people would make such shitty "morphing feeds" and try to pass them off as the real thing. Sadly, it ruined the effectiveness of what would have been a great tool. Still, no one does it even remotely like I had described initially, and people are so used to them being shit that it isn't even worth doing "right" now.

2. If you have programming knowledge, you'll avoid the pitfalls of #1. If not, you'll just be another people slapping shit together half-assed. A good compromise is to work with a programmer to utilize an API. Usually, it just needs to be set up once.

3. You sign up to use their API, yes. This allows them to keep tight control on how and where their content is being used. You can play a bit without their direct approval, but live usage with any sort of real functionality requires a full API key.




It's not something a novice should be playing with, in all honesty. You have to process the XML or JSON into something useful (HTML output, at the end of the day). It's not a 10/10 on the difficulty scale, but it's not for someone without programming knowledge, either.

Anyone can USE an API .. doing something USEFUL with it is something entirely different.

I notice you just got spammed by a dating API aggregator in this thread. Lead Wrench would actually be much more effective for you. It's a "Push API," meaning it takes YOUR data and PUTS it somewhere (in this case, it pushes it to dating sponsors who pay you for the input). A "Pull API" (what I am looking for in the other thread) is for getting data OUT, so that I can build sites.

Extremely helpful, thanks very much mate

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by 2012

i think wtf bucks has a wtf api for making bucks. see sig

If only I'd be willing to promote them.

Originally Posted by Jel

Extremely helpful, thanks very much mate

You got it. Let me know if I can help you with anything else. Feel free to send me an ICQ with questions as well. I try to be as generous as possible with my time.

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Jesus, why would you even CONSIDER that? Part of the reason our conversions took a nose-dive (even prior to everyone's favorite villain THE TUBES) was that people were doing dirty shit to users and they were getting fed up with it.

I'm not the one CONSIDERING THIS..

Can't you see what people WRITE on here? EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT THAT, NOT ME!!!

COME ON.. You can't be this NAIVE to dont see every fucker here talking about it here..

And BTW, thanks for UNDER-ESTIMATING ME, saying that I cant put an API online...

From what I have seen, its not rocket science, anyone can do it. Do you think only you can learn some PHP or programing? Anyone can do it.. its just boring as hell, nothing else. I have done many harder things than that, that I DOUBT you are capable of doing...

Just sayin, DUDE... now you will get offended right? I thought you were going to help, not to INSULT people.. FUCK.

Or maybe you are just naturally aggressive.. Who knows. Sounds BAD, thats for SURE!

[alcstrategy]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

From what I have seen, its not rocket science, anyone can do it. Do you think only you can learn some PHP or programing? Anyone can do it.. its just boring as hell, nothing else. I have done many harder things than that, that I DOUBT you are capable of doing...

Just sayin, DUDE... now you will get offended right? I thought you were going to help, not to INSULT people.. FUCK.

Or maybe you are just naturally aggressive.. Who knows. Sounds BAD, thats for SURE!

Yes, technically anyone can code, but to actually be a good coder you need to be able to think a certain way. The reason there's so much shit out there is because everything thinks they can do shit that they can't.

You should lay off this guy he's just trying to help and his message is true, whether directed to you or not. He's raising awareness don't be so sensitive

[Jel]

lol I knew there was a good reason I had the piriod guy on ignore

edgeprod - thanks, will have a closer look at API-ery and icq if/as/when

oh, any good resources to read up on API-ery?

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

I'm not the one CONSIDERING THIS..

Can't you see what people WRITE on here? EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT THAT, NOT ME!!!

COME ON.. You can't be this NAIVE to dont see every fucker here talking about it here..

And BTW, thanks for UNDER-ESTIMATING ME, saying that I cant put an API online...

From what I have seen, its not rocket science, anyone can do it. Do you think only you can learn some PHP or programing? Anyone can do it.. its just boring as hell, nothing else. I have done many harder things than that, that I DOUBT you are capable of doing...

Just sayin, DUDE... now you will get offended right? I thought you were going to help, not to INSULT people.. FUCK.

Or maybe you are just naturally aggressive.. Who knows. Sounds BAD, thats for SURE!

Aggressive? You seem overly offended for me taking your post at face value and assuming you wanted to do what you were describing .. especially since you used the pronoun "I" in the entire thing, not "could someone theoretically" or "could a bad webmaster," etc.

I still stand behind my statement about your technical skills. You're not new to me -- I've read many of your posts since you've gotten here, and I don't think you're beyond the level of a basic novice at anything in this industry. Just the questions you ask reveal this. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it's my honest assessment, and I doubt it's untrue.

To clarify, though: USING the API, and using it correctly (making money) are two different things. My doubt about you is the latter. If PHP is boring to you, then you lack imagination, which makes me believe that you'd have trouble monetizing anything broadly .. make a few bucks? Sure. Make decent money? No.

We can hug it out if you'd like, but I'm not here to insult anyone. I don't sugar-coat things if I can help it, though.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by Jel

lol I knew there was a good reason I had the piriod guy on ignore

edgeprod - thanks, will have a closer look at API-ery and icq if/as/when

oh, any good resources to read up on API-ery?

Every API is different, but you should familiarize yourself with the following if you have an interest:

PHP, XML, JSON .. those are the essential elements. To make it even simpler, try this:

Take some index cards (or pieces of scrap paper) and write down elements of a page. For example:

"Big Picture of Model"
"Model's Name"
"Small Thumbnail 1"
"Small Thumbnail 4"
"Scene Description"

... etc.

Now, arrange them in interesting ways. Think about how you could take other pieces of data and enhance the user experience, or delete data and do the same. How does moving the smaller thumbs next to the bigger thumb affect the page? How does it affect the page to move them below the description instead?

That's the power of the API, grasshopper.

[Alex69]

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[Django]

interesting thread.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

I'm not the one CONSIDERING THIS..

Can't you see what people WRITE on here? EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT THAT, NOT ME!!!

COME ON.. You can't be this NAIVE to dont see every fucker here talking about it here..

And BTW, thanks for UNDER-ESTIMATING ME, saying that I cant put an API online...

From what I have seen, its not rocket science, anyone can do it. Do you think only you can learn some PHP or programing? Anyone can do it.. its just boring as hell, nothing else. I have done many harder things than that, that I DOUBT you are capable of doing...

Just sayin, DUDE... now you will get offended right? I thought you were going to help, not to INSULT people.. FUCK.

Or maybe you are just naturally aggressive.. Who knows. Sounds BAD, thats for SURE!

Geez, you are the last person that should be calling someone else insulting and aggressive, that's been your general response to just about everyone here. When you make completely erroneous statements like those below, of course Edge is going to assume that maybe what he's talking about is beyond your scope of understanding.

I mean, I really don't see any difference between using or not using API's...

Using API's won't make you convert better than not using them.

no galleries at all.. DATING is DATING, not galleries.. I dont get it, why people talk about forms and dating APIs all the time, like its something MAGIC and SECRET or kind of blackhat to make money

I didn't know that was allowed by sponsors at all.. its some kind of BLACK-HAT...

Here's an idea, when you don't understand something, have a humble attitude and ask questions. You'll get a lot closer to getting your questions answered and having people help you.

[CYF]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

Ok, so If I have a wordpress blog, and have a register widget for my blog, for WORDPRESS... can I use the sponsor API to TRICK the USER?

The user signpus for my wordpress BLOG and at the same time he signups for the sponsor and I get paid for the free signup?

I didn't know that was allowed by sponsors at all.. its some kind of BLACK-HAT...

I guess there must be many of these tricks im not aware of, and thats the way people are doing money now, right?

I always ask abotu CAMS+DATING secrets, and I guess here is a sample, right?

who said anything about TRICKING the user or BLACKHAT methods?

If they're signing up for dating shit on your site, then APIs make it easier for you to submit them to your dating sponsor. If they're already a member of "program1" then you cascade down and submit them to "program2" instead. You don't just take every email address you can find and slam them onto 10 sponsors without their permission...

[2012]

Originally Posted by Django

interesting thread.

not really

[2012]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Here's an idea, when you don't understand something, have a humble attitude and ask questions.

or what pussy ?

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by 2012

or what?

...or Venus can continue responding to people in the manner he is and not getting the information he desires.

[bean-aid]

50 WTF is an API