Hey Minte, here is your chance to add to your automobile collection!

[epitome]

More than 50 high-end vehicles and watercraft are being auctioned in South Florida by the U.S. Marshals after they were seized in a pill mill takedown.

The auction Thursday in Opa-Locka includes souped-up hot rods such as a 1930 Ford, a 1969 Camaro and a 1966 Corvette. Also being sold are a 1999 Lamborghini Diablo, a 2009 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren and several personal watercraft.

They were all seized in a 2011 Drug Enforcement Administration operation involving seven pain clinics in Miami-Dade and Broward counties. The operators were charged with illegally dispensing hundreds of thousands of powerful prescription drugs such as oxycodone. Most have since pleaded guilty to criminal charges.

Proceeds from the auction go a Justice Department fund used to compensate victims, supplement law enforcement and support community programs.

Story: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...,1518876.story

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by epitome

Proceeds from the auction go a Justice Department fund used to compensate victims, supplement law enforcement and support community programs.]

In other words the govt. just steals people's shit over laws that they themselves wrote.
That's convenient.

They are going to compensate "victims"? Of a prescription pill deal?

Is that before or after they let them out of jail for breaking the law when they BOUGHT the pills from the "pill mill"?

Are they "victims" before or after they are "criminals"?

Or does the money just go down a rabbit hole?

[scuba steve]

haha opa locka? yeah they weren't getting attention or anything in a shitty ass county when they see a car driving down the street worth the price of houses there

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Robbie

In other words the govt. just steals people's shit over laws that they themselves wrote.
That's convenient.

They are going to compensate "victims"? Of a prescription pill deal?

Is that before or after they let them out of jail for breaking the law when they BOUGHT the pills from the "pill mill"?

Are they "victims" before or after they are "criminals"?

Or does the money just go down a rabbit hole?

Since many of these doctors have dead patients with families left behind I imagine it will go to them.

The pill mills always disgusted me because they ended up making it SO MUCH harder for patients with genuine needs to get medication.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

haha opa locka? yeah they weren't getting attention or anything in a shitty ass county when they see a car driving down the street worth the price of houses there

I think they're just holding the auction there.

If these belonged to those two brothers they were living very large somewhere around here. Didn't they have a million or four in cash just chilling in their Mom's attic?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by epitome

Since many of these doctors have dead patients with families left behind I imagine it will go to them.

The pill mills always disgusted me because they ended up making it SO MUCH harder for patients with genuine needs to get medication.

Hey I'm 100% with you on the dangers of prescription medication.

But I'm also 100% against the govt. making laws, then just taking everything a person owns.

I don't know what the numbers are on dead patients...but I'm guessing that those families won't be getting any checks from the Justice Dept.
Maybe you could follow up on that news story and let us know if any of the "victims' ever see a dime from that auction.

I bet they don't. And I bet that money disappears into the govt. bureaucracy.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Robbie

They are going to compensate "victims"? Of a prescription pill deal?

They compensate the "victims" by paying welfare.

[Minte]

I have a friend that bought his Lambo at one of those. If I remember he picked it up for less than 50 cents on the dollar.

[DudeRick]

Paul Markham should donate his car.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Paul Markham should donate his car.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Robbie

But I'm also 100% against the govt. making laws, then just taking everything a person owns.

wow, you are getting further and further out on the fringe. what is wrong with the government taking back a criminal's ill gotten gains?

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Mutt

wow, you are getting further and further out on the fringe. what is wrong with the government taking back a criminal's ill gotten gains?

Haters gonna hate? Seriously though, how stupid were those guys for buying shit like a SLS. Red Flag city.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Mutt

wow, you are getting further and further out on the fringe. what is wrong with the government taking back a criminal's ill gotten gains?

How is that the "fringe"?

You really think the govt. should have had the right to take Max Hardcores belongings and his domains and try to ruin him?

I've never been on the "fringe" of anything. I believe in what our constitution says and that we are supposed to be free people.

If you go out and rob a store and get caught...then the stuff you stole should be returned to the store you stole it from.

If you sell drugs to grown people who should be free to make their own decisions...then the govt. coming along and just taking all that drug dealers belongings SOUNDS good. But it's not.
Thus what they did to Max Hardcore. And what they would do to anybody that broke one of the hundreds of thousands of laws they keep writing.

You don't know me. I'm not Johnny Clips for God's sake!
I just think the govt. will sell of that person's private property, no victims will ever see a penny of it, and the money will go down a bureaucratic rabbit hole with no oversight by anyone to make sure.

The govt. should not have that kind of power over us. Just my opinion.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Robbie

If you sell drugs to grown people who should be free to make their own decisions...then the govt. coming along and just taking all that drug dealers belongings SOUNDS good. But it's not.

By that logic, any doctor should be able to write unlimited prescriptions for whatever the adult patient requests. Am I missing something?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

By that logic, any doctor should be able to write unlimited prescriptions for whatever the adult patient requests. Am I missing something?

Where I live we can walk into any pharmacy and buy just about anything we want, 24 hours a day. And while we do have a drug problem, it's not a pill problem. It's a problem with everything they made illegal. Funny how that works.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by CamBoss

By that logic, any doctor should be able to write unlimited prescriptions for whatever the adult patient requests. Am I missing something?

And yes, the doctor should be able to do that IF he thinks you need it.

Will that be "abused". Yes, and it already is.

Point is that you aren't a child. You are a full grown man. Why are you so willing to let the govt. treat you like a child?
Here in Vegas the govt. decided that full grown adults can NOT have liquor and a naked stripper in the same room.
THAT is the kind of stupid power hungry horseshit that happens when you allow other people to order you around like you are a baby.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Robbie

How is that the "fringe"?

You really think the govt. should have had the right to take Max Hardcores belongings and his domains and try to ruin him?

I've never been on the "fringe" of anything. I believe in what our constitution says and that we are supposed to be free people.

If you go out and rob a store and get caught...then the stuff you stole should be returned to the store you stole it from.

If you sell drugs to grown people who should be free to make their own decisions...then the govt. coming along and just taking all that drug dealers belongings SOUNDS good. But it's not.
Thus what they did to Max Hardcore. And what they would do to anybody that broke one of the hundreds of thousands of laws they keep writing.

You don't know me. I'm not Johnny Clips for God's sake!
I just think the govt. will sell of that person's private property, no victims will ever see a penny of it, and the money will go down a bureaucratic rabbit hole with no oversight by anyone to make sure.

The govt. should not have that kind of power over us. Just my opinion.

I am against obscenity laws altogether but we are nations of laws and even when you disagree with a law you have to live with it, if the law is that offensive to you you and others who feel the same fight to have the law repealed. Max Hardcore was very successful, he was convicted of obscenity - I don't think it's wrong that the government can seize the profits made from the videos found to be obscene. They can't get the profits he made on all the videos he made that have never been found obscene.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by DWB

Where I live we can walk into any pharmacy and buy just about anything we want, 24 hours a day. And while we do have a drug problem, it's not a pill problem. It's a problem with everything they made illegal. Funny how that works.

Pretty much that way in Mexico and Jamaica as well.

I HATE when I visit other countries and come to the realization that they have more everyday freedoms than I do.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Mutt

I don't think it's wrong that the government can seize the profits made from the videos found to be obscene. .

Let me jump on what you think is the "fringe"

I'm pretty sure that our founding fathers never envisioned the govt. making up laws to infringe on people's personal freedom and then not only throwing people in prison for those made-up laws, but further stealing all their property and money.

That's just the way I understood our country to be when I was growing up and kept being taught that we were "free" and that the govt. worked FOR us.

I'm not for anarchy. But I agree with Ron Paul about laws...there are too many of them. And they keep writing more every day. And once something is law...you have to move heaven and earth to get rid of that law.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Mutt

I am against obscenity laws altogether but we are nations of laws and even when you disagree with a law you have to live with it, if the law is that offensive to you you and others who feel the same fight to have the law repealed. Max Hardcore was very successful, he was convicted of obscenity - I don't think it's wrong that the government can seize the profits made from the videos found to be obscene. They can't get the profits he made on all the videos he made that have never been found obscene.

obviously the people buying his goods didn't think it was obscene, they probably found the product enjoyable and gladly paid their hard earned $$ for it... it's not like he ripped anyone off... so it's not that clear why any $$ earned from his work should be seized...

it seems it's just an excuse to seize the funds so it can go into a rabbit hole like Robbie said earlier...

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Minte

I have a friend that bought his Lambo at one of those. If I remember he picked it up for less than 50 cents on the dollar.

Too good to be true. These auctions are watched by many people who want to make coin reselling the goods, a 100% profit margin (buy for 50 cent, sell for a dollar) would not go unnoticed.

[woj]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Too good to be true. These auctions are watched by many people who want to make coin reselling the goods, a 100% profit margin (buy for 50 cent, sell for a dollar) would not go unnoticed.

true, I went to a couple of those auctions, prices were slightly cheaper than at a dealership, maybe 20% cheaper... far from anything spectacular...

[theking]

Originally Posted by Robbie

How is that the "fringe"?

You really think the govt. should have had the right to take Max Hardcores belongings and his domains and try to ruin him?

I've never been on the "fringe" of anything. I believe in what our constitution says and that we are supposed to be free people.

If you go out and rob a store and get caught...then the stuff you stole should be returned to the store you stole it from.

If you sell drugs to grown people who should be free to make their own decisions...then the govt. coming along and just taking all that drug dealers belongings SOUNDS good. But it's not.
Thus what they did to Max Hardcore. And what they would do to anybody that broke one of the hundreds of thousands of laws they keep writing.

You don't know me. I'm not Johnny Clips for God's sake!
I just think the govt. will sell of that person's private property, no victims will ever see a penny of it, and the money will go down a bureaucratic rabbit hole with no oversight by anyone to make sure.

The govt. should not have that kind of power over us. Just my opinion.

"If you sell drugs to grown people who should be free to make their own decisions"

An addict is not capable of having "their own decision"...the addiction makes the decision,

[Sly]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Too good to be true. These auctions are watched by many people who want to make coin reselling the goods, a 100% profit margin (buy for 50 cent, sell for a dollar) would not go unnoticed.

Wrong. Sheriff and seizure auctions are known for great deals. The catch is you need to have cash. Even at 50% on the dollar, a car like a Lamborghini is still extremely expensive (plus all of the maintenance and repairs involved.)

[epitome]

Robbie,

These were pill mills. They were storefronts opened by people like you and me who hired 70 year old doctors that couldn't really practice anymore to write prescriptions for whatever people wanted. They only took cash and most dispensed the pills from the office. You could walk in looking perfectly fine and walk out with 120 oxycontin, 120 xanax, 60 muscle relaxers and anything else you wanted. Sure, you had to have an MRI, but they'd send you to a mobile MRI behind a strip club that they also had their hands in... meaning the MRI report would show whatever it needed to.

They were drug dealers, plain and simple. The doctors they hired were at the end of their careers and would write prescriptions for cash.

The fact that most of these people are pleaing out shows they knew exactly what they were doing.

You're not supposed to have lines out the door at your doctors office and you shouldn't have to bribe the receptionist with $40 to be seen that day, which is exactly what happened with these.

At one point Florida was responsible for 90% of all pain prescriptions. Yeah, we have a lot of senior citizens, but not enough to justify 90% of nationwide prescriptions.

The OD's and deaths started piling up, people started coming from other states and after many years the DEA and state authorities finally stepped in.

I go to a pain management doctor. The funny thing is the majority of his practice is now prescribing suboxone to all of the not sick people who got cut off. You walk into the waiting room and it's a bunch of 20 year olds that are fine.

All the hoops I have to go through just to get the same prescriptions I've been getting for like six years are ridiculous. CT scans, blood work, drug tests, etc. just so he can cover his own ass and have good documentation. He feels just as punished as I do.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by woj

obviously the people buying his goods didn't think it was obscene, they probably found the product enjoyable and gladly paid their hard earned $$ for it... it's not like he ripped anyone off... so it's not that clear why any $$ earned from his work should be seized...

it seems it's just an excuse to seize the funds so it can go into a rabbit hole like Robbie said earlier...

wtf - creeps who buy child porn find the product enjoyable too, heroin addicts enjoy their heroin and on and on. some of Max Hardcore's videos were found by a jury to be criminally obscene. what anybody else thinks about it doesn't matter - that's how our justice systems work. if somebody robs your house, steals your computers, tv, cash etc and then gets convicted you don't want the government to seize his assets and sell them and give you the victim the money value you lost?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Sly

Wrong. Sheriff and seizure auctions are known for great deals. The catch is you need to have cash. Even at 50% on the dollar, a car like a Lamborghini is still extremely expensive (plus all of the maintenance and repairs involved.)

I would be multi - millionaire in couple years if that was true. Even if I had no money at the beginning (if you can double your investment just reselling I would get the money).
But if that was the case there are plenty of people who can afford a lambo if there is 100% profit margin to be made.

Originally Posted by woj

true, I went to a couple of those auctions, prices were slightly cheaper than at a dealership, maybe 20% cheaper... far from anything spectacular...

sounds about right, even at that price these auctions would get buyers, buy and sell with 10-15% profit. Double your money - in your dreams

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Mutt

some of Max Hardcore's videos were found by a jury to be criminally obscene. what anybody else thinks about it doesn't matter - that's how our justice systems work. if somebody robs your house, steals your computers, tv, cash etc and then gets convicted you don't want the government to seize his assets and sell them and give you the victim the money value you lost?

How can you compare a completely victimless "crime" to robbers who steal from people?
Mutt, our country is supposed to be free.

But you're in favor of allowing one group of people to make up a law based on what they don't "like" and then stealing a person's property?

I just can't agree with that. That's not freedom. That's just a witch hunt and laws that have no value to society other than to allow some people to impose their beliefs and will on others.