Any holocaust deniers here?

[Dirty F]

With all the conspiracy idiots and jew haters here i bet there are quite a few.

Come on, i know you want to admit it.

[EddyTheDog]

Any FRENCH holocaust deniers here?

.........

[BAKO]

GFY idiots hate on everything lol

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

What reasonable people do is deny the government's "official" version of history, as it's always pure bullshit.

Of course it didn't happen the way we were told it happened. Anyone who believes that is either brainwashed or completely dumb. Who knows what happened, but all I do know is that it didn't go down like we were told it did.

So how about you tell us Sheep how it really happened then?

[cellinis]

[QUOTE=JohnnyClips;19318453]Of course it didn't happen the way we were told it happened. QUOTE]


come to europe and see for yourself fuckhead

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

I don't know, lemming I'm not at the top of the pyramid.

But only a fool would believe what they are told by their masters

So you don't know but you know the story we were told is fake. How do you know its fake?

I don't even know why I'm replying to your bullshit.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

I don't know, lemming I'm not at the top of the pyramid.

But only a fool would believe what they are told by their masters

The only fool is you. Your seemingly never ending bullshit is tired. Nobody here respects you as far as I can tell. What do you even do in this business that requires you to bombard this forum with bullshit on a daily basis? You should be banned from using the internet since you obviously believe anything you read if its against an "official" story. You are a total fucking moron.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

I love how people lash out when I point out the obvious: we are being lied to on a daily basis by our rulers. They own the media, write the history books, control what we learn in school, etc. yet some people still can't see the obvious

So everything is lie to you. Ok, then you are NOT a total worthless idiot.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

I love how people lash out when I point out the obvious: we are being lied to on a daily basis by our rulers. They own the media, write the history books, control what we learn in school, etc. yet some people still can't see the obvious

You arrogant prick - Of course I mean that in the most positive way ...

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

It's bullshit just like 19 islamic hijackers who "hate our freedoms" took down 3 buildings with 2 planes. It's beyond absurd and a complete lie just like WMDs in Iraq, Vietnam, The Gulf of Tonkin, Iran has nukes, etc.

When will a lemming like you realize you're being lied to?

As I asked you, tell us then ole wise one how you know all this. You don't know shit, now shut the fuck up and go for a bike ride.

[shake]

I had neighbours growing up who had escaped from Poland, so when you hear the stories first hand from people it would be hard to deny.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by BAKO

GFY idiots hate on everything lol

oh and yeah, I'm very worried..

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by pornopete

Is the world round?

I can think of more than a few hanging Saturday mornings where I wish it wasn't.

Much easier to fall off the edge and be done with it.

[helterskelter808]

What people don't seem to understand is that it's not "denial", it's questioning or discussion.

Personally I'm suspicious of the agenda of most people who people who "deny" the Holocaust, but I don't think they should be prevented from doing so.

It's bizarre and absurd that while you can "deny" any other event in history, some so-called 'democratic' European countries single out discussion of this one particular historical event as punishable by imprisonment.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

C'mon bro with that triple chin!

That's what my haters always seem to point out about me sometimes..
but the girls don't seem to mind that..

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

What people don't seem to understand is that it's not "denial", it's questioning or discussion.

Personally I'm suspicious of the agenda of most people who people who "deny" the Holocaust, but I don't think they should be prevented from doing so.

It's bizarre and absurd that while you can "deny" any other event in history, some so-called 'democratic' European countries single out discussion of this one particular historical event as punishable by imprisonment.

Hitlerskelter - Go jerk off on stormfront

[DVTimes]

[DVTimes]

[DVTimes]

[DVTimes]

The question thats most interesting one should ask is why its a crime to question the events (in several countries its a crime) yet no one would arrest you if you said you did not belive other events in hystory.

This should be the first thing you question.

The next is clearly out of the thousand or so who survived, why only 5 people have ever given evidence.

Once you start to look at the events, things seem odd.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

What people don't seem to understand is that it's not "denial", it's questioning or discussion.

Personally I'm suspicious of the agenda of most people who people who "deny" the Holocaust, but I don't think they should be prevented from doing so.

It's bizarre and absurd that while you can "deny" any other event in history, some so-called 'democratic' European countries single out discussion of this one particular historical event as punishable by imprisonment.

True.

And the odd thing is if you talk about it, people turn and say your some hitler lover?????

[wehateporn]

What cannot be denied is that it's being used as a political tool, just like 'Climate Change'. The debate should be...Was the Holocaust created deliberately for political purpose by TPTB or did TPTB take advantage after the event had taken place?

This is the most important question we should be asking.

[DVTimes]

[DVTimes]

[Captain Kawaii]

History is written by the winners and TPTB. If anyone cannot get that they need to start from scratch. I think many people deny the inaccuracy of history because they are afraid or deluded or simply uneducated, ignorant, have other interests.

Governments are based on and operate by fabrications that move their agenda forward. Their agenda is set by the powers who put the gov in place. Its not that difficult to understand.

Don't believe me?
Ask the Native Americans.
Ask Africans
Ask, Ask, Ask, "Why"

[wehateporn]

As we can see now, Syria is being destabilized by CIA controlled Rebels, just as Libya was last year. The history books will no doubt 'document' that Syria and Libya had 'Revolutions' or 'Civil Wars', and that Gaddafi and Assad were evil men, just as we are told by the Western Media.

Once we've seen this deception take place, how can we trust the accuracy of the 'history' which we've been taught?

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

History is written by the winners and TPTB. If anyone cannot get that they need to start from scratch. I think many people deny the inaccuracy of history because they are afraid or deluded or simply uneducated, ignorant, have other interests.

Governments are based on and operate by fabrications that move their agenda forward. Their agenda is set by the powers who put the gov in place. Its not that difficult to understand.

Don't believe me?
Ask the Native Americans.
Ask Africans
Ask, Ask, Ask, "Why"

[Penny24Seven]

many have said this before, johnny does not believe anything ever happened, only what can be proved 1000 times and even then he calls bullshit LOL, it is all fake, he sits at home crying about everything LOL or riding his schwinn in circles avoiding the afternoon rain showers haha. I do not want my chain to rust. Anyone rich are above us but when they fuck up they were not part of them just placed to make shit look good haha

[_Richard_]

[QUOTE=cellinis;19318465]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Of course it didn't happen the way we were told it happened. QUOTE]


come to europe and see for yourself fuckhead

wouldn't that involve a trip to prison?

nto that i am denying any holocaust, it's just anyone who does, and tries to go research that opinion, ends up in jail

[wehateporn]

There are rumors of a coming Holocaust of Holocaust Deniers

[EddyTheDog]

denier? -No. But, after independent french mathematicians and film maker, some Jewish, said it was impossible that 4.1 millions Jews were killed in Auschwitz as they then officially changed the number down to 750k.

I am for once lost for words.

[livexxx]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

What reasonable people do is deny the government's "official" version of history, as it's always pure bullshit.

Of course it didn't happen the way we were told it happened. Anyone who believes that is either brainwashed or completely dumb. Who knows what happened, but all I do know is that it didn't go down like we were told it did.

I'd rather believe the government instead of someone sucked into buying a $100 cock ring

[lucas131]

this professional assbiter guy seems on topic

[onwebcam]

I deny the official lies.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I personally know three people with numbers tattooed on their arms that swear that this was not one of Hitler's summer camps for Jews, Gypsies, and Communists. One of these people was a Jewish Pole 13 years old when he arrived at Auschwitz his family. He never saw his family again and survived by doing the unthinkable -- he was a very sad man.

My father was in Patton's Third Army, 8th Infantry, medical company. He landed third wave on D-Day, was in the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge), and helped the liberated concentration camp survivors at Buchenwald concentration camp, near Weimar, Germany.

I heard the stories of what was seen at Buchenwald concentration camp first hand from my father. Anecdotal? There are too many evidential documents and survivors' collaborated testimonies to even claim that the stories are anecdotal. There is proof enough for me.

It is immaterial if 200,000 or 6,000,000 persons of a hated religious heritage were systematically worked to death or exterminated by the Nazis. In any case, this is genocide and a crime against humanity. As for the Jew's Holocaust to take some precedence over other genocides it only does as to the magnitude of the event not in the event's criminality. A genocide of any people should have the same standing of a criminal event.

500,000 died recently in the Rwandan Genocide would you deny that too? 1,400,000 in Pol Pot's Killing Fields -- than didn't happen either? Or maybe, only your own hatred and/or racism could justify your denial of the genocides that you agree with?

Maybe, in today's world we document things better but that would not change the events of the conquests of Genghis Khan or Timur (Tamerlane) and their slaughter of civilians. Mini genocides of peoples but of lesser magnitude than Hitler's Nazi Holocaust's "Final Solution." The records are hearsay but that doesn't mean that the accounts were false -- it was long ago ...

[AllAboutCams]

Whats the holocaust?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by livexxx

I'd rather believe the government instead of someone sucked into buying a $100 cock ring

lol !!!

.

[2012]

seems legit

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

History is written by the winners and TPTB. If anyone cannot get that they need to start from scratch. I think many people deny the inaccuracy of history because they are afraid or deluded or simply uneducated, ignorant, have other interests.

Governments are based on and operate by fabrications that move their agenda forward. Their agenda is set by the powers who put the gov in place. Its not that difficult to understand.

Don't believe me?
Ask the Native Americans.
Ask Africans
Ask, Ask, Ask, "Why"

I agree completely. History is written by the victors, although alternative sources of knowledge written by the oppressed are available.

One holocaust fairytale (that gets thrown around from time to time) that I do deny is the one that claims North American involvement in WWII had anything to do with stopping the slaughter of Jews, Poles, Soviets, Roma and gay people. WWII was a struggle for power, not human rights.

Canadian soldiers fought in WWII, yet our politicians turned away a boatload of Jewish refugees who were fleeing persecution in Europe. They were sent home to their deaths. Even in the post-war period, Canadian immigration policy in relation to Jews was summed up in the phrase "none is too many"

As far as the holocaust itself...I'm not quite sure what there is to deny? The Nazis engaged in the systematic detention and slaughter of anyone who didn't fit their bullshit "Aryan" model. Those camps weren't a fabrication.

While I do concede that 'holocaust denial' as a crime is somewhat unique, on some level I do understand it, in that those narratives are often central to the philosophies of white power movements. Not exactly a sympathetic interest group to lobby any government to take that law off the books.

The academic washout Irving cited above is an excellent example, in that he assisted in the defence of a notorious racist in Canada (Ernst Zundel). When Zundel wasn't busy denying the holocaust he was participating in a white supremacist group called the Heritage Front, which targeted violent and racist propaganda to disaffected white youth. Hell, I'm old enough to remember some of my classmates talking about what they learned about 'mud people' and the Jewish conspiracy on the Heritage Front phone line. David Irving lectured at that group quite often as well. That group is still around, incidentally, although they've tamed themselves considerably.

My point is that holocaust denial often goes hand in hand with racist theory and practise, including the incitement of violence against non-Aryans. On some level it IS bizarre that questioning the holocaust is a crime, but considering the typical motives behind which that denial is espoused, I do understand why that law still exists.

as an aside...I love the irony that Hitler's actions were a large part of the reason why Israel was created. He'd have been so pissed

[AdultKing]

A few people in this thread would do well to read the diary and letters of Etty Hillesum.

Trouble is the people who should are too intellectually challenged to understand them fully.

[oppoten]

Those who accept the Holocaust seem to do so on the basis on survivor stories. Those who queston it seem to do so on the basis of media lies.

Almost seems like we're talking about two separate things. I guess people's bias comes down to what they prioritize.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I personally know three people with numbers tattooed on their arms that swear that this was not one of Hitler's summer camps for Jews, Gypsies, and Communists. One of these people was a Jewish Pole 13 years old when he arrived at Auschwitz his family. He never saw his family again and survived by doing the unthinkable -- he was a very sad man.

My father was in Patton's Third Army, 8th Infantry, medical company. He landed third wave on D-Day, was in the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge), and helped the liberated concentration camp survivors at Buchenwald concentration camp, near Weimar, Germany.

I heard the stories of what was seen at Buchenwald concentration camp first hand from my father. Anecdotal? There are too many evidential documents and survivors' collaborated testimonies to even claim that the stories are anecdotal. There is proof enough for me.

It is immaterial if 200,000 or 6,000,000 persons of a hated religious heritage were systematically worked to death or exterminated by the Nazis. In any case, this is genocide and a crime against humanity. As for the Jew's Holocaust to take some precedence over other genocides it only does as to the magnitude of the event not in the event's criminality. A genocide of any people should have the same standing of a criminal event.

500,000 died recently in the Rwandan Genocide would you deny that too? 1,400,000 in Pol Pot's Killing Fields -- than didn't happen either? Or maybe, only your own hatred and/or racism could justify your denial of the genocides that you agree with?

Maybe, in today's world we document things better but that would not change the events of the conquests of Genghis Khan or Timur (Tamerlane) and their slaughter of civilians. Mini genocides of peoples but of lesser magnitude than Hitler's Nazi Holocaust's "Final Solution." The records are hearsay but that doesn't mean that the accounts were false -- it was long ago ...

missed this post the first time around...brilliant

[CurrentlySober]

As the "GhostBusters" said...

I'll believe or deny anything the fuck you want me too...

(Paraphrasing...)

"Provided there is a paycheque at the end of it!"

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

I agree completely. History is written by the victors, although alternative sources of knowledge written by the oppressed are available.

One holocaust fairytale (that gets thrown around from time to time) that I do deny is the one that claims North American involvement in WWII had anything to do with stopping the slaughter of Jews, Poles, Soviets, Roma and gay people. WWII was a struggle for power, not human rights.

Canadian soldiers fought in WWII, yet our politicians turned away a boatload of Jewish refugees who were fleeing persecution in Europe. They were sent home to their deaths. Even in the post-war period, Canadian immigration policy in relation to Jews was summed up in the phrase "none is too many"

As far as the holocaust itself...I'm not quite sure what there is to deny? The Nazis engaged in the systematic detention and slaughter of anyone who didn't fit their bullshit "Aryan" model. Those camps weren't a fabrication.

While I do concede that 'holocaust denial' as a crime is somewhat unique, on some level I do understand it, in that those narratives are often central to the philosophies of white power movements. Not exactly a sympathetic interest group to lobby any government to take that law off the books.

The academic washout Irving cited above is an excellent example, in that he assisted in the defence of a notorious racist in Canada (Ernst Zundel). When Zundel wasn't busy denying the holocaust he was participating in a white supremacist group called the Heritage Front, which targeted violent and racist propaganda to disaffected white youth. Hell, I'm old enough to remember some of my classmates talking about what they learned about 'mud people' and the Jewish conspiracy on the Heritage Front phone line. David Irving lectured at that group quite often as well. That group is still around, incidentally, although they've tamed themselves considerably.

My point is that holocaust denial often goes hand in hand with racist theory and practise, including the incitement of violence against non-Aryans. On some level it IS bizarre that questioning the holocaust is a crime, but considering the typical motives behind which that denial is espoused, I do understand why that law still exists.

as an aside...I love the irony that Hitler's actions were a large part of the reason why Israel was created. He'd have been so pissed

What do you think about the fact Hitler was born Jewish himself?

[JesseQuinn]

^^^lol, that's a great question

I'd suggest it's somewhat in keeping with the character of a contrary man who failed at everything he did before he captivated a nation (pretty much looking for a scapegoat post-WWI) with his own neuroses/obsessions?

whether he had Jewish blood or not, he was pretty damn afraid he did (eg: writing Nazi laws to exclude himself from the precepts).

What is known for sure is that he was abused as a child. By his father. That maybe perhaps had Jewish blood. It's not that far a leap to suggest he combined megalomania with his own psychological issues?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

With all the conspiracy idiots and jew haters here i bet there are quite a few.

Come on, i know you want to admit it.

I come from a 3rd world country that was recently involved in 2 wars. I have seen history re-written in a way that you would not believe. I'm not against jews or pro german or what ever....but you can rest assured that history books are accounts of winners and that they do not necessarily have to be entirely true.

Whether more or less jews were killed than the official figures say I honestly don't know but "official history" is made official by the victors of any conflict...

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by oppoten

Those who accept the Holocaust seem to do so on the basis on survivor stories. Those who queston it seem to do so on the basis of media lies.

Almost seems like we're talking about two separate things. I guess people's bias comes down to what they prioritize.

Well in the US, much of the media is controlled by Jewish-Zionists. It is a simple fact. The problem with survivor stories in recent years is that many have been proven to be fabricated or people have directly admitted to have fabricated their tales in order to keep the sympathy train going. I don't know about anyone else but I prioritize TRUTH, which is a rare commodity these days. As it always has been. Rare.

I tend not to believe media or survivor stories but only what I can see. Truth is usually in there somewhere.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

I agree completely. History is written by the victors, although alternative sources of knowledge written by the oppressed are available.

One holocaust fairytale (that gets thrown around from time to time) that I do deny is the one that claims North American involvement in WWII had anything to do with stopping the slaughter of Jews, Poles, Soviets, Roma and gay people. WWII was a struggle for power, not human rights.

Canadian soldiers fought in WWII, yet our politicians turned away a boatload of Jewish refugees who were fleeing persecution in Europe. They were sent home to their deaths. Even in the post-war period, Canadian immigration policy in relation to Jews was summed up in the phrase "none is too many"

As far as the holocaust itself...I'm not quite sure what there is to deny? The Nazis engaged in the systematic detention and slaughter of anyone who didn't fit their bullshit "Aryan" model. Those camps weren't a fabrication.

While I do concede that 'holocaust denial' as a crime is somewhat unique, on some level I do understand it, in that those narratives are often central to the philosophies of white power movements. Not exactly a sympathetic interest group to lobby any government to take that law off the books.

The academic washout Irving cited above is an excellent example, in that he assisted in the defence of a notorious racist in Canada (Ernst Zundel). When Zundel wasn't busy denying the holocaust he was participating in a white supremacist group called the Heritage Front, which targeted violent and racist propaganda to disaffected white youth. Hell, I'm old enough to remember some of my classmates talking about what they learned about 'mud people' and the Jewish conspiracy on the Heritage Front phone line. David Irving lectured at that group quite often as well. That group is still around, incidentally, although they've tamed themselves considerably.

My point is that holocaust denial often goes hand in hand with racist theory and practise, including the incitement of violence against non-Aryans. On some level it IS bizarre that questioning the holocaust is a crime, but considering the typical motives behind which that denial is espoused, I do understand why that law still exists.

as an aside...I love the irony that Hitler's actions were a large part of the reason why Israel was created. He'd have been so pissed

Absolutely. People who deny what happened to Jews are usually knuckle-dragging skinheads, AKA, National Front.
Have you seen this site? Its been around for a very long time.
http://jewsnotzionists.org/

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

Even in the post-war period, Canadian immigration policy in relation to Jews was summed up in the phrase "none is too many"

How many (non-Jewish) Canadians were admitted to Israel in the post war period?

It wasn't Adolf Hitler who said in 1912, "each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews [...] Germany already has too many Jews", it was Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann.

The first Prime Minister of Israel said in 1938, in the wake of Kristallnacht, "if I knew that it was possible to save all the [Jewish] children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter".

For Zionists, the interests of Jews was, and still is, secondary to the ideology of Zionism.

My point is that holocaust denial often goes hand in hand with racist theory and practise, including the incitement of violence against non-Aryans. On some level it IS bizarre that questioning the holocaust is a crime, but considering the typical motives behind which that denial is espoused, I do understand why that law still exists.

Then you believe in the same version of 'free speech' as Adolf Hitler. Free speech only for what you deem personally acceptable.

as an aside...I love the irony that Hitler's actions were a large part of the reason why Israel was created. He'd have been so pissed

You only find it ironic because, like most people, you have a superficial grasp of history.

The Nazis in fact worked closely with Zionists, even traveling with Zionists to Palestine and agreeing with Zionists on Palestine as a home for Jews.

Zionism was the only political movement allowed in Nazi Germany other than Nazism, and Zionists were even allowed to fly their own flag (what would become the Israeli flag) in Nazi Germany.

Zionist terrorists in Palestine, such as the Stern Gang, in which Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir was a commander, openly supported and allied themselves with the Third Reich during World War II.

Etc etc etc.

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Why would anyone believe anything that an authority figures says? They don't care about me or you if you haven't figured that out by now and they have an aura of shadiness around them

how about believing people who saw the holocaust ?

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

.

The Nazis in fact worked closely with Zionists, even traveling with Zionists to Palestine and agreeing with Zionists on Palestine as a home for Jews.

Zionism was the only political movement allowed in Nazi Germany other than Nazism, and Zionists were even allowed to fly their own flag (what would become the Israeli flag) in Nazi Germany.

Zionist terrorists in Palestine, such as the Stern Gang, in which Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir was a commander, openly supported and allied themselves with the Third Reich during World War II.

Etc etc etc.

And your non superficial grasp of history is this???