Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns

[halfpint]

Nutjob ? or will this ever happen u think

[spazlabz]

the other bat shit crazy guy from info wars is much more entertaining

[Si]

InfoWars.com = Absolute nonsense.

Hit me up please mate if you're not too busy

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Si

InfoWars.com = Absolute nonsense.

Hit me up please mate if you're not too busy

will get on icq in bit mate

[Si]

Originally Posted by halfpint

will get on icq in bit mate

Kewl! I'll get my bikini on

[Heath]

I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned what happened in New Orleans when they did the same thing. Troops were ordered to confiscate all guns, and shoot those who refused.

Although InfoWars is a joke for the most part, occasionally they link to the actual bills and shit. So I will hold off on making assumptions until they provide some actual evidence. Not just some guy saying it.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Populace

I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned what happened in New Orleans when they did the same thing. Troops were ordered to confiscate all guns, and shoot those who refused.

Bullshit, where do you jackasses come from?

[Rochard]

When the military comes they aren't going to be worried much about a handful of guys with assault rifles. Not when they have tanks.

[baddog]

They are already doing it; they are doing in alphabetical order so no one gets suspicious. They are currently up to Alpine. So Alpine, TX; Alpine, CA; Alpine, UT; Alpine, NJ; Alpine, WY.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by baddog

They are already doing it; they are doing in alphabetical order so no one gets suspicious. They are currently up to Alpine. So Alpine, TX; Alpine, CA; Alpine, UT; Alpine, NJ; Alpine, WY.

You are such a sheep. They are trying to make it look like its alphabetical to lul residents of cities that start with letters like y and z into a false sense of security.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by baddog

They are already doing it; they are doing in alphabetical order so no one gets suspicious. They are currently up to Alpine. So Alpine, TX; Alpine, CA; Alpine, UT; Alpine, NJ; Alpine, WY.

Folks, this is what happens when you're already on the brink of senility and listen to Hannity.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Nutjob ? or will this ever happen u think

if you believe that your crazy the troops that took those orders have families that own guns will not happen without it blowing up into civil war.

[Si]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

You are such a sheep. They are trying to make it look like its alphabetical to lul residents of cities that start with letters like y and z into a false sense of security.

Brilliant!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

You are such a sheep. They are trying to make it look like its alphabetical to lul residents of cities that start with letters like y and z into a false sense of security.

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Folks, this is what happens when you're already on the brink of senility and listen to Hannity.

Folks, this is what happens when you believe everything you read on the Internet.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by baddog

Folks, this is what happens when you believe everything you read on the Internet.

Says the guy who posts idiotic shit on the internet.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Populace

I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned what happened in New Orleans when they did the same thing. Troops were ordered to confiscate all guns, and shoot those who refused.

Although InfoWars is a joke for the most part, occasionally they link to the actual bills and shit. So I will hold off on making assumptions until they provide some actual evidence. Not just some guy saying it.

if u watch the whole video they have footage of the police taking away an old ladys gun in new orleans and some army guy who was involved talking about what was going on

[seeandsee]

yeah unarmed people are easy target

[baddog]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Says the guy who posts idiotic shit on the internet.

It makes it easy for me to spot the idiots.

[halfpint]

well i knew this would turn into a slinging match ...always does on good old GFY

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Bullshit, where do you jackasses come from?

Wanna bet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/na...torm.html?_r=0

"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians"

"September 9, 2005
Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians
By ALEX BERENSON and JOHN M. BRODER

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts still living here, as President Bush steeled the nation for the grisly scenes of recovering the dead that will unfold in coming days.

Police officers and federal law enforcement agents scoured the city carrying assault rifles seeking residents who have holed up to avoid forcible eviction, as well as those who are still considering evacuating voluntarily to escape the city's putrid waters.

"Individuals are at risk of dying," said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of the New Orleans police. "There's nothing more important than the preservation of human life."

Although it appeared Wednesday night that forced evacuations were beginning, on Thursday the authorities were still looking for those willing to leave voluntarily. The police said that the search was about 80 percent done, and that afterward they would begin enforcing Mayor C. Ray Nagin's order to remove residents by force.

Mr. Bush, in Washington, urged the nearly one million people displaced by the storm to contact federal agencies to apply for immediate aid. He praised the outpouring of private charity to the displaced, but said the costs of restoring lives would affect all Americans, as would the horror of the storm's carnage.

"The responsibility of caring for hundreds of thousands of citizens who no longer have homes is going to place many demands on our nation," the president said in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. "We have many difficult days ahead, especially as we recover those who did not survive the storm."

As Mr. Bush spoke, Vice President Dick Cheney was touring Mississippi and Louisiana, in part as an answer to the critics who have said that the administration responded too slowly and timidly to the epic disaster. At a stop in Gulfport, Miss., a heckler shouted an obscenity at the vice president. Mr. Cheney shrugged it off, saying it was the first such abuse he had heard.

Also on Thursday, Congress approved a $51.8 billion package of storm aid, bringing the total to more than $62 billion in a week. The government is now spending $2 billion dollars a day to respond to the disaster.

The confirmed death toll in Louisiana remained at 83 on Thursday. Efforts to recover corpses are beginning, although only a handful of bodies have been recovered so far. Official estimates of the death toll in New Orleans are still vague, but 10,000 remains a common figure.

Mississippi officials said they had confirmed 196 dead as of Thursday, including 143 in coastal areas, although Gov. Haley Barbour said he expected the toll to rise.

"It would just be a guess, but the 200 or just over 300 we think is a credible and reliable figure," the governor said on NBC's "Today" show.

He also said electricity would be restored by Sunday to most homes and businesses in the state that could receive it.

No one would venture a prediction about when the lights would come back on in New Orleans.

The water continued to recede slowly in the city 10 days after Hurricane Katrina swept ashore and levees failed at several points, inundating the basin New Orleans sits in.

The Army Corps of Engineers has restored to operation 37 of the city's 174 permanent pumps, allowing them to drain 11,000 cubic feet of water per second from the basin. When all the pumps are working, they can remove 81,000 cubic feet of water per second, said Dan Hitchings of the engineering corps.

It will be months before the breadth of the devastation from the storm is known. But a report by the Louisiana fisheries department calculated the economic loss to the state's important seafood industry at as much as $1.6 billion over the next 12 months.

Louisiana's insurance commissioner, J. Robert Wooley, said the state had barred insurance companies from canceling any homeowner's insurance policies in the days immediately before the storm hit and afterward.

"All cancellations will be voided," Mr. Wooley said.

Across New Orleans, active-duty soldiers, National Guard members and local law enforcement agencies from across the country continued door-to-door searches by patrol car, Humvee, helicopter and boat, urging remaining residents to leave.

Maj. Gen. James Ron Mason of the Kansas National Guard, who commands about 25,000 Guard troops in and around New Orleans, said his forces had rescued 687 residents by helicopter, boat and high-wheeled truck in the past 24 hours.

General Mason said Guard troops, although carrying M-16 rifles, would not use force to evict recalcitrant citizens. That, he said, was a job for the police, not members of the Guard.

"I don't believe that you will see National Guard soldiers actually physically forcing people to leave," General Mason said.

Mr. Compass, the police superintendent, said that after a week of near anarchy in the city, no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns, or other firearms of any kind. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.


That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly carrying M-16s and other assault rifles.

Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm.

The city's slow recovery is continuing on other fronts as well, local officials said at a late morning news conference. Pumping stations are now operating across much of the city, and many taps and fire hydrants have water pressure. Tests have shown no evidence of cholera or other dangerous diseases in flooded areas.

With pumps running and the weather here remaining hot and dry, water has visibly receded across much of the city. Formerly flooded streets are now passable, although covered with leaves, tree branches and mud.

Still, many neighborhoods in the northern half of New Orleans remain under 10 feet of water, and Mr. Compass said Thursday that the city's plans for a forced evacuation remained in effect because of the danger of disease and fires.

Mr. Compass said he could not disclose when residents might be forced to leave en masse. The city's police department and federal law enforcement officers from agencies like United States Marshals Service will lead the evacuation, he said. Officers will search houses in both dry and flooded neighborhoods, and no one will be allowed to stay, he said.

Many of the residents still in the city said they did not understand why the city remained intent on forcing them out.

Alex Berensonreported from New Orleans for this article, and John M. Broder from Baton Rouge, La. Reporting was contributed by Sewell Chan from New Orleans, Jeremy Alford and Shaila Dewan from Baton Rouge and Ralph Blumenthal from Houston."

[GFED]

Most people might not like the overall message that infowars is sending, but I have yet to see anything they have published that wasn't backed up from other sources.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I look forward to the Onion's op/ed

[RKLover]

1961? WTF? Are any of you old enough to remember the Nuclear Arms Race?
What kind of disarmament do you think the Memo was talking about?

[DBS.US]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

[Heath]

Thanks AdultPornMasta, that is exactly what I was referring to. Not sure how many people remember seeing how Bush was 'disarming helpless citizens with the threat to kill them if they didn't hand over their guns' but that's mainly why I remember it. Libs went crazy back then over it.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta

Wanna bet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/na...torm.html?_r=0

"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians"

"September 9, 2005
Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians
By ALEX BERENSON and JOHN M. BRODER

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts still living here, as President Bush steeled the nation for the grisly scenes of recovering the dead that will unfold in coming days.

Police officers and federal law enforcement agents scoured the city carrying assault rifles seeking residents who have holed up to avoid forcible eviction, as well as those who are still considering evacuating voluntarily to escape the city's putrid waters.

"Individuals are at risk of dying," said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of the New Orleans police. "There's nothing more important than the preservation of human life."

Although it appeared Wednesday night that forced evacuations were beginning, on Thursday the authorities were still looking for those willing to leave voluntarily. The police said that the search was about 80 percent done, and that afterward they would begin enforcing Mayor C. Ray Nagin's order to remove residents by force.

Mr. Bush, in Washington, urged the nearly one million people displaced by the storm to contact federal agencies to apply for immediate aid. He praised the outpouring of private charity to the displaced, but said the costs of restoring lives would affect all Americans, as would the horror of the storm's carnage.

"The responsibility of caring for hundreds of thousands of citizens who no longer have homes is going to place many demands on our nation," the president said in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. "We have many difficult days ahead, especially as we recover those who did not survive the storm."

As Mr. Bush spoke, Vice President Dick Cheney was touring Mississippi and Louisiana, in part as an answer to the critics who have said that the administration responded too slowly and timidly to the epic disaster. At a stop in Gulfport, Miss., a heckler shouted an obscenity at the vice president. Mr. Cheney shrugged it off, saying it was the first such abuse he had heard.

Also on Thursday, Congress approved a $51.8 billion package of storm aid, bringing the total to more than $62 billion in a week. The government is now spending $2 billion dollars a day to respond to the disaster.

The confirmed death toll in Louisiana remained at 83 on Thursday. Efforts to recover corpses are beginning, although only a handful of bodies have been recovered so far. Official estimates of the death toll in New Orleans are still vague, but 10,000 remains a common figure.

Mississippi officials said they had confirmed 196 dead as of Thursday, including 143 in coastal areas, although Gov. Haley Barbour said he expected the toll to rise.

"It would just be a guess, but the 200 or just over 300 we think is a credible and reliable figure," the governor said on NBC's "Today" show.

He also said electricity would be restored by Sunday to most homes and businesses in the state that could receive it.

No one would venture a prediction about when the lights would come back on in New Orleans.

The water continued to recede slowly in the city 10 days after Hurricane Katrina swept ashore and levees failed at several points, inundating the basin New Orleans sits in.

The Army Corps of Engineers has restored to operation 37 of the city's 174 permanent pumps, allowing them to drain 11,000 cubic feet of water per second from the basin. When all the pumps are working, they can remove 81,000 cubic feet of water per second, said Dan Hitchings of the engineering corps.

It will be months before the breadth of the devastation from the storm is known. But a report by the Louisiana fisheries department calculated the economic loss to the state's important seafood industry at as much as $1.6 billion over the next 12 months.

Louisiana's insurance commissioner, J. Robert Wooley, said the state had barred insurance companies from canceling any homeowner's insurance policies in the days immediately before the storm hit and afterward.

"All cancellations will be voided," Mr. Wooley said.

Across New Orleans, active-duty soldiers, National Guard members and local law enforcement agencies from across the country continued door-to-door searches by patrol car, Humvee, helicopter and boat, urging remaining residents to leave.

Maj. Gen. James Ron Mason of the Kansas National Guard, who commands about 25,000 Guard troops in and around New Orleans, said his forces had rescued 687 residents by helicopter, boat and high-wheeled truck in the past 24 hours.

General Mason said Guard troops, although carrying M-16 rifles, would not use force to evict recalcitrant citizens. That, he said, was a job for the police, not members of the Guard.

"I don't believe that you will see National Guard soldiers actually physically forcing people to leave," General Mason said.

Mr. Compass, the police superintendent, said that after a week of near anarchy in the city, no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns, or other firearms of any kind. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.


That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly carrying M-16s and other assault rifles.

Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm.

The city's slow recovery is continuing on other fronts as well, local officials said at a late morning news conference. Pumping stations are now operating across much of the city, and many taps and fire hydrants have water pressure. Tests have shown no evidence of cholera or other dangerous diseases in flooded areas.

With pumps running and the weather here remaining hot and dry, water has visibly receded across much of the city. Formerly flooded streets are now passable, although covered with leaves, tree branches and mud.

Still, many neighborhoods in the northern half of New Orleans remain under 10 feet of water, and Mr. Compass said Thursday that the city's plans for a forced evacuation remained in effect because of the danger of disease and fires.

Mr. Compass said he could not disclose when residents might be forced to leave en masse. The city's police department and federal law enforcement officers from agencies like United States Marshals Service will lead the evacuation, he said. Officers will search houses in both dry and flooded neighborhoods, and no one will be allowed to stay, he said.

Many of the residents still in the city said they did not understand why the city remained intent on forcing them out.

Alex Berensonreported from New Orleans for this article, and John M. Broder from Baton Rouge, La. Reporting was contributed by Sewell Chan from New Orleans, Jeremy Alford and Shaila Dewan from Baton Rouge and Ralph Blumenthal from Houston."

Where was the NRA? And all the righties screaming? I was here then not a peep that I remember.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by tony286

Where was the NRA? And all the righties screaming? I was here then not a peep that I remember.

You have a bad memory.

Right here is where the NRA was in this travesty of justice:

http://www.saf.org/viewpr.asp?id=162

" NEWS RELEASE
Second Amendment Foundation
12500 NE Tenth Place Bellevue, WA 98005
(425) 454-7012 FAX (425) 451-3959 www.saf.org

FEDERAL JUDGE HALTS NEW ORLEANS GUN SEIZURES


For Immediate Release: 9/23/2005


The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana this afternoon issued a temporary restraining order on behalf of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and National Rifle Association (NRA), bringing an end to firearm seizures from citizens living in and around New Orleans.

District Judge Jay Zainey issued the restraining order against all parties named in a lawsuit filed Thursday by SAF and NRA. Defendants in the lawsuit include New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Chief Edwin Compass III."


http://blog.nola.com/updates/2008/10...er_katrin.html

"NEW ORLEANS (AP) _ City officials have agreed to return hundreds of firearms that police officers confiscated in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, part of a deal to resolve a lawsuit filed by gun lobbying groups.

The settlement agreement filed Tuesday in federal court calls for the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment Foundation to drop their case if the city follows a plan for returning guns to owners who had them seized by police after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.

Both sides also are asking U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier to sign off on the pact and issue a permanent injunction barring the city from seizing lawfully possessed firearms. Barbier didn't immediately rule on the agreement, which doesn't involve a monetary award."

You have......

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony286

Where was the NRA? And all the righties screaming? I was here then not a peep that I remember.

With your selective memory? I can't believe that.

[epitome]

Wasn't martial law in effect in New Orleans? Guess what? That is part of martial law, which is why it's rarely declared... It's a very serious thing that not even the government takes lightly (contrary to what the kooks on GFY think).

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta

Wanna bet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/na...torm.html?_r=0

"Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians"

"September 9, 2005
Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians
By ALEX BERENSON and JOHN M. BRODER

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts still living here, as President Bush steeled the nation for the grisly scenes of recovering the dead that will unfold in coming days.

Police officers and federal law enforcement agents scoured the city carrying assault rifles seeking residents who have holed up to avoid forcible eviction, as well as those who are still considering evacuating voluntarily to escape the city's putrid waters.

"Individuals are at risk of dying," said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of the New Orleans police. "There's nothing more important than the preservation of human life."

Although it appeared Wednesday night that forced evacuations were beginning, on Thursday the authorities were still looking for those willing to leave voluntarily. The police said that the search was about 80 percent done, and that afterward they would begin enforcing Mayor C. Ray Nagin's order to remove residents by force.

Mr. Bush, in Washington, urged the nearly one million people displaced by the storm to contact federal agencies to apply for immediate aid. He praised the outpouring of private charity to the displaced, but said the costs of restoring lives would affect all Americans, as would the horror of the storm's carnage.

"The responsibility of caring for hundreds of thousands of citizens who no longer have homes is going to place many demands on our nation," the president said in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. "We have many difficult days ahead, especially as we recover those who did not survive the storm."

As Mr. Bush spoke, Vice President Dick Cheney was touring Mississippi and Louisiana, in part as an answer to the critics who have said that the administration responded too slowly and timidly to the epic disaster. At a stop in Gulfport, Miss., a heckler shouted an obscenity at the vice president. Mr. Cheney shrugged it off, saying it was the first such abuse he had heard.

Also on Thursday, Congress approved a $51.8 billion package of storm aid, bringing the total to more than $62 billion in a week. The government is now spending $2 billion dollars a day to respond to the disaster.

The confirmed death toll in Louisiana remained at 83 on Thursday. Efforts to recover corpses are beginning, although only a handful of bodies have been recovered so far. Official estimates of the death toll in New Orleans are still vague, but 10,000 remains a common figure.

Mississippi officials said they had confirmed 196 dead as of Thursday, including 143 in coastal areas, although Gov. Haley Barbour said he expected the toll to rise.

"It would just be a guess, but the 200 or just over 300 we think is a credible and reliable figure," the governor said on NBC's "Today" show.

He also said electricity would be restored by Sunday to most homes and businesses in the state that could receive it.

No one would venture a prediction about when the lights would come back on in New Orleans.

The water continued to recede slowly in the city 10 days after Hurricane Katrina swept ashore and levees failed at several points, inundating the basin New Orleans sits in.

The Army Corps of Engineers has restored to operation 37 of the city's 174 permanent pumps, allowing them to drain 11,000 cubic feet of water per second from the basin. When all the pumps are working, they can remove 81,000 cubic feet of water per second, said Dan Hitchings of the engineering corps.

It will be months before the breadth of the devastation from the storm is known. But a report by the Louisiana fisheries department calculated the economic loss to the state's important seafood industry at as much as $1.6 billion over the next 12 months.

Louisiana's insurance commissioner, J. Robert Wooley, said the state had barred insurance companies from canceling any homeowner's insurance policies in the days immediately before the storm hit and afterward.

"All cancellations will be voided," Mr. Wooley said.

Across New Orleans, active-duty soldiers, National Guard members and local law enforcement agencies from across the country continued door-to-door searches by patrol car, Humvee, helicopter and boat, urging remaining residents to leave.

Maj. Gen. James Ron Mason of the Kansas National Guard, who commands about 25,000 Guard troops in and around New Orleans, said his forces had rescued 687 residents by helicopter, boat and high-wheeled truck in the past 24 hours.

General Mason said Guard troops, although carrying M-16 rifles, would not use force to evict recalcitrant citizens. That, he said, was a job for the police, not members of the Guard.

"I don't believe that you will see National Guard soldiers actually physically forcing people to leave," General Mason said.

Mr. Compass, the police superintendent, said that after a week of near anarchy in the city, no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns, or other firearms of any kind. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.


That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly carrying M-16s and other assault rifles.

Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm.

The city's slow recovery is continuing on other fronts as well, local officials said at a late morning news conference. Pumping stations are now operating across much of the city, and many taps and fire hydrants have water pressure. Tests have shown no evidence of cholera or other dangerous diseases in flooded areas.

With pumps running and the weather here remaining hot and dry, water has visibly receded across much of the city. Formerly flooded streets are now passable, although covered with leaves, tree branches and mud.

Still, many neighborhoods in the northern half of New Orleans remain under 10 feet of water, and Mr. Compass said Thursday that the city's plans for a forced evacuation remained in effect because of the danger of disease and fires.

Mr. Compass said he could not disclose when residents might be forced to leave en masse. The city's police department and federal law enforcement officers from agencies like United States Marshals Service will lead the evacuation, he said. Officers will search houses in both dry and flooded neighborhoods, and no one will be allowed to stay, he said.

Many of the residents still in the city said they did not understand why the city remained intent on forcing them out.

Alex Berensonreported from New Orleans for this article, and John M. Broder from Baton Rouge, La. Reporting was contributed by Sewell Chan from New Orleans, Jeremy Alford and Shaila Dewan from Baton Rouge and Ralph Blumenthal from Houston."

I can't find the part where they are ordered to shoot people refusing to give up their guns, do ya mind highlighting that part?

Originally Posted by Populace

I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned what happened in New Orleans when they did the same thing. Troops were ordered to confiscate all guns, and shoot those who refused.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

I can't find the part where they are ordered to shoot people refusing to give up their guns, do ya mind highlighting that part?

Right on, I'm sure they'd just go to the next house and let you keep your guns.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by GFED

Right on, I'm sure they'd just go to the next house and let you keep your guns.

Show me where it was ordered to do so.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

I can't find the part where they are ordered to shoot people refusing to give up their guns, do ya mind highlighting that part?

They were authorized to use "excessive force" if necessary. I don't believe any such orders to "shoot people" where given, nor will it ever be, but "excessive force" throws a very wide net. You can bet your ass if someone told them to "you can pry my guns from my cold dead hands" line, it would have been ugly, and that is what they are trained to do. That is why they were fully armed as they went door to door instead of carrying pepper spray and tazers.

During Martial Law or a State Of Emergency, your civil and Miranda rights no longer exist. Warrants are not needed to search you, your property, or to confiscate your property.

In the case of Katrina, only one incident occurred where they forcefully took a women to the ground for not giving up her handgun. I think she broke her shoulder or something. EVERYONE ELSE handed over their firearms without incident, and they will do it again, and again, and again. Gun owners talk a lot of smack until the US ARMY is knocking on their door and has their house surrounded.

[Phillipmcd1]

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

I look forward to the Onion's op/ed

Alex Jones is my favorite comedian

[GFED]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Show me where it was ordered to do so.

http://info.publicintelligence.net/U...urbanceOps.pdf

(2) The use of deadly force is authorized only under conditions of extreme necessity and as a last resort
when all lesser means have failed or cannot be reasonably be employed. Deadly force is justified under
one or more of the following circumstances:
(a) Self- defense and defense of others. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to
protect law enforcement or security personnel who reasonably believe themselves or others to be in
imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.
(b) Assets involving national security. When deadly force reasonably appears necessary to prevent
the actual theft or sabotage of assets vital to national security. DoD assets shall be specifically
designated as ?vital to national security? only when their loss, damage, or compromise would
seriously jeopardize the fulfillment of a national defense mission. Examples include nuclear
weapons; nuclear command, control, and communications facilities; and designated restricted area as
containing strategic operational assets, sensitive codes, or special access programs.
(c) Assets no involving national security but inherently dangerous to others. When deadly force
reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the actual theft or sabotage of resources, such as
operable weapons or ammunition, that are inherently dangerous to others; i.e., assets that, in the
hands of an unauthorized individual, present a substantial potential danger of death or serious bodily
harm to others. Examples include high risk portable and lethal missiles, rockets, arms, ammunition,
explosives, chemical agents, and special nuclear material.
(d) Serious offenses against persons. When deadly force reasonably appears necessary to prevent
the commission of a serious offense involving violence and threatening death or serious bodily harm.
Examples include murder, armed robbery, and aggravated assault.(e) Arrest or apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to arrest,
apprehend, or prevent the escape of a person who, there is probably cause to believe, has committed
an offense of the nature in (2) through (4) above.
(f) Escapes. When deadly force has been specifically authorized by the Heads of the DoD
Components and reasonable appears to be necessary to prevent the escape of a prisoner, provided
law enforcement or security personnel have probable cause to believe that the escaping prisoner
poses a threat of serious bodily harm either to security personnel or others.

Oh, let's not forget Obama signed the NDAA that allows military to hold Americans without charge or trial... INDEFINITELY.

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by Rochard

When the military comes they aren't going to be worried much about a handful of guys with assault rifles. Not when they have tanks.

Or fighter jets.

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Or fighter jets.

tanks and fighter jets have worked in iraq with great effect

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

With your selective memory? I can't believe that.

Please stop, I didn't remember the screaming like the nra is doing now.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

tanks and fighter jets have worked in iraq with great effect

this isnt iraq, people that bitch have things to lose. When you got nothing its easier to go to war for years and years and years.

[arock10]

Katrina was a false flag attack to take all the guns??????!!!!???? Is that how it works?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by tony286

Please stop, I didn't remember the screaming like the nra is doing now.

There were a handful of lawsuits filed over it and if I remember correctly the NRA was part of one of them. The media just didn't make a big deal about it like they are now.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by DWB

They were authorized to use "excessive force" if necessary. I don't believe any such orders to "shoot people" where given, nor will it ever be, but "excessive force" throws a very wide net. You can bet your ass if someone told them to "you can pry my guns from my cold dead hands" line, it would have been ugly, and that is what they are trained to do. That is why they were fully armed as they went door to door instead of carrying pepper spray and tazers.

During Martial Law or a State Of Emergency, your civil and Miranda rights no longer exist. Warrants are not needed to search you, your property, or to confiscate your property.

In the case of Katrina, only one incident occurred where they forcefully took a women to the ground for not giving up her handgun. I think she broke her shoulder or something. EVERYONE ELSE handed over their firearms without incident, and they will do it again, and again, and again. Gun owners talk a lot of smack until the US ARMY is knocking on their door and has their house surrounded.

SHIT! I just had a sentry flashback to my general orders
"deadly force is that force that a sentry knows or should know could cause death or serious bodily harm. Its use is justified only under extreme cause and only then as a means of last resort when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be enployed"

SIR YES SIR!
</flashback>

good gawd, I got out of the USMC in the 80s

[RyuLion]

lol......

[newB]

Originally Posted by epitome

Wasn't martial law in effect in New Orleans? Guess what? That is part of martial law, which is why it's rarely declared... It's a very serious thing that not even the government takes lightly (contrary to what the kooks on GFY think).

Kind of. LA laws are different from most of the states, and 'Martial Law' is not codified there. Instead there was a 'state of emergency' which is pretty much the same thing, allowing for the temporary suspension of civil and Miranda rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial...ricane_Katrina

Also, the federal government cannot occupy a US city without first receiving a formal request from the local government. This, coupled with a breakdown in communication, played a role in Bush's delay in sending support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

This is actually a pretty good article about an examination of the powers of the executive office and their role in the events of hurricane Katrina - http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/vi...context=wmborj