Cory Booker Is Correct About Gun Control

[Relentless]

Finally... some intelligent, simple, actionable ways to make guns harder for crazy people to get... without infringing on the right of sane people to own guns...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cory-b...b_2346911.html

[slapass]

I agree with that.

[DBS.US]

add "Stop the importation of any firearms"

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Finally... some intelligent, simple, actionable ways to make guns harder for crazy people to get... without infringing on the right of sane people to own guns...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cory-b...b_2346911.html

I've been following his career for a few years now. He is the only guy I can think of who might move me to vote again. I hope he runs for the presidency. Smart, pragmatic, decent/honest.

It is not too much to ask but so difficult to attain in the US. Anywhere for that matter.

[AdultPornMasta]

"Cory Booker Is Correct About Gun Control"

No, he's not.

[Vendzilla]

Good read, I agree with what he said. If someone has been committed , that should make a list. Hell the patriot act was suppose to have better sharing of information. Some of the changes in large capacity magazines i understand but don't like, I love having 30 rounds to smoke a target with, and I don't want to modify my existing gun to make them happy. I also want to pass my guns to my daughter.
In California, they already are by law suppose to use someone with a FFL to transfer any private gun transfer. I have no problem with that, I have done that.
The biggest complaint from gun owners about new laws is that it has done little to curb criminals from getting guns and made it a pain for legal ownership. One pistol a month is fine as long as there is a way to get a matched set !!

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I've been following his career for a few years now. He is the only guy I can think of who might move me to vote again. I hope he runs for the presidency. Smart, pragmatic, decent/honest. It is not too much to ask but so difficult to attain in the US. Anywhere for that matter.

He just announced he is going to run for Senate in New Jersey (replacing Frank Lautenberg) so he is definitely on that trajectory and he has a hell of a resume so far....

http://m.vogue.com/magazine/article/...o-cory-booker/

[kane]

Originally Posted by Relentless

He just announced he is going to run for Senate in New Jersey (replacing Frank Lautenberg) so he is definitely on that trajectory and he has a hell of a resume so far....

http://m.vogue.com/magazine/article/...o-cory-booker/

There is a movie called "Street Fight" that is a documentary about the first time Booker ran for Mayor of Newark.

It is very good.

[AdultPornMasta]

"We should immediately restore a modified version of the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004, which included a ban on high capacity magazines. We should pursue one-handgun a month restrictions, which will allow law abiding gun owners to purchase up to a dozen handguns a year, but will significantly hamper gun traffickers due to the mechanics and economics of straw purchasing (having another buy guns on one's behalf)."

No, it won't.

The Bad Guys will only get a larger group of "Good" Bad Guys to buy guns for them, while restricting the acquisition and possessory rights of law-abiding citizens.

Think about a collector who goes to an estate sale and who wishes to buy a large collection. Under this proposed restriction, that option is out the window, not to mention the fact that the receiver in a decedent's estate might well be prohibited from inheriting Daddy's fireams collection because there are too many firearms in it.

Go after the fucking CRIMINALS, not law-abiding, honest citizens!

Ted Kenndey's Oldsmobile killed more people than all of my firearms combined.

The whole "high capacity magazine" thing is a smoke screen. I can fire and reload my S&W 29 using speed loaders just right darn quick and since the 29 only holds six rounds, it would be unaffected by the ban. I can also empty the thing into a six inch target at 50 feet in less than four seconds, speed load and do it again until I run out of ammo.

Know what a Smith & Wesson Model 29 is?

At the time the 29 was produced it was the most powerful handgun in the World and would blow your head clean off.

Here:



And just for fun to irritate the liberals and gear into the stereotype because they'll howl that anyway:

[Relentless]

YOU may be able to fire and reload quickly. The hope is that YOU are also not likely to go shoot up a school. The asshats who have been shooting up schools and movie theaters are not commandos, they are asshats. Limiting the ability of mentally ill asshats to commit mass murder is a realistic goal and would be little or zero impediment to the skilled gun owners who are competent to reload a gun efficiently. You can most likely open a prescription bottle with a 'child-proof cap' on it. That doesn't mean having caps like that is an ineffective safety measure... because three-year-old children have an awfully tough time getting a bottle like that open, and THAT is the point. The sentiment of Booker's ideas is similar.

The things Booker mentioned are simple, and little or zero hindrance to the legal enjoyment of gun ownership. I have yet to hear a better idea from you... or anyone else.

[pimpmaster9000]

at best all this will make guns a bit harder to get...just create an underground market for smuggled or "stolen" or whatever...

IMO the root of the problem needs to be addressed and not gun control...idiots shoot up schools for morbid "fame"...they get in the news...people talk about them...

one should simply ban the media from disclosing the shooters name...the police should not disclose his name in the first place it makes no difference...witnesses should be held criminally responsible if they disclose the name in case they know the shooter...media should be fined heavy heavy $$$ for even discussing the motives of the shooter or his cause or name or anything...the focus should be on the victims...

take the "Fame" away and most wont bother...

[L-Pink]

What's changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school shootings? It sure isn't the availability of firearms.

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[L-Pink]

Sup Marion?

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by Relentless

YOU may be able to fire and reload quickly. The hope is that YOU are also not likely to go shoot up a school. The asshats who have been shooting up schools and movie theaters are not commandos, they are asshats. Limiting the ability of mentally ill asshats to commit mass murder is a realistic goal and would be little or zero impediment to the skilled gun owners who are competent to reload a gun efficiently. You can most likely open a prescription bottle with a 'child-proof cap' on it. That doesn't mean having caps like that is an ineffective safety measure... because three-year-old children have an awfully tough time getting a bottle like that open, and THAT is the point. The sentiment of Booker's ideas is similar.

The things Booker mentioned are simple, and little or zero hindrance to the legal enjoyment of gun ownership. I have yet to hear a better idea from you... or anyone else.

I do not oppose limiting the ability of the mentally ill to possess firearms provided that competency is determined by a court of proper jurisdiction. That is already part of existing law and only needs to be enforced.

I do oppose limiting the possessory and acquisition rights of normal people in a "feel good" effort to control what fucking CRAZY PEOPLE do!

[kane]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What's changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school shootings? It sure isn't the availability of firearms.

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To me it is a collection of things (in no specific order):

1. Access to guns is easy.

2. Mental health issues are still not something dealt with properly.

3. Information/video games/movies submerse kids in a world of violence and while I don't think these things cause them to carry out these terrible acts I think they they do aid in the efficiency of how the are carried out. With video games these days kids learn about tactics, cover, kills shots etc. With the internet they have access to information on how to build bombs, where and how to get things like bullet proof vests etc.

4. The media saturation of these events almost dares the next person who is considering doing this to do it bigger and better than the last person. For a few days following this most recent shooting it was pretty much all that was on the news. Overnight the killer went from being some unknown kid to being a name everyone knew. His picture was/is everywhere and the news is comparing what he did those those who did similar things in the past. They are also detailing exactly how he did this. They are basically telling people, "If you ware troubled and want to kill yourself, do it in a way where you kill 20 people before you died and we will turn you into a celebrity."

You mix this all together and it creates a perfect storm that makes for a fertile breeding ground for people who want to act out like this.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by kane

To me it is a collection of things (in no specific order):

1. Access to guns is easy.

2. Mental health issues are still not something dealt with properly.

3. Information/video games/movies submerse kids in a world of violence and while I don't think these things cause them to carry out these terrible acts I think they they do aid in the efficiency of how the are carried out. With video games these days kids learn about tactics, cover, kills shots etc. With the internet they have access to information on how to build bombs, where and how to get things like bullet proof vests etc.

4. The media saturation of these events almost dares the next person who is considering doing this to do it bigger and better than the last person. For a few days following this most recent shooting it was pretty much all that was on the news. Overnight the killer went from being some unknown kid to being a name everyone knew. His picture was/is everywhere and the news is comparing what he did those those who did similar things in the past. They are also detailing exactly how he did this. They are basically telling people, "If you ware troubled and want to kill yourself, do it in a way where you kill 20 people before you died and we will turn you into a celebrity."

You mix this all together and it creates a perfect storm that makes for a fertile breeding ground for people who want to act out like this.

Access to guns has always been easy. But you really make my point with #'s 2,3,& 4.

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[kane]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Access to guns has always been easy. But you really make my point with #'s 2,3,& 4.

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Sure, access to guns has always been easy. When I look back on my childhood we never had a gun in the house, but my neighbors and most of my friends' families did so if I wanted to get them it would not have been any problem.

If anything, technology in the guns has improved. When I was a kid the people who I knew that had guns had a hunting rifle/shotgun and revolver pistols. Semi-auto pistols like Glocks and rifles like AR-15's were not very common even in gun stores. That has changed over the last 20+ years.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What's changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school shootings? It sure isn't the availability of firearms.

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Prosac


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[buzzard]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What's changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school shootings? It sure isn't the availability of firearms.

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Psychotropic drugs being used in the final phase of the takeover of America.

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by Relentless

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cory-b...b_2346911.html

Please... Get Help.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by kane

To me it is a collection of things (in no specific order):

1. Access to guns is easy.

>>>Bullshit! Ever hear of the mandatory Form 4473? "Easy" access to firearms changed with the Gun Control Act of fucking 1968! If you can read English, go here:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...f-p-5300-4.pdf



2. Mental health issues are still not something dealt with properly.

>>>You got that one right!

3. Information/video games/movies submerse kids in a world of violence and while I don't think these things cause them to carry out these terrible acts I think they they do aid in the efficiency of how the are carried out. With video games these days kids learn about tactics, cover, kills shots etc. With the internet they have access to information on how to build bombs, where and how to get things like bullet proof vests etc.

>>>Well, then fuck the producers but do NOT fuck with my rights because the producers may be morons! And WTF will restricive firearms legislation do about that shit anyway?

4. The media saturation of these events almost dares the next person who is considering doing this to do it bigger and better than the last person. For a few days following this most recent shooting it was pretty much all that was on the news. Overnight the killer went from being some unknown kid to being a name everyone knew. His picture was/is everywhere and the news is comparing what he did those those who did similar things in the past. They are also detailing exactly how he did this. They are basically telling people, "If you ware troubled and want to kill yourself, do it in a way where you kill 20 people before you died and we will turn you into a celebrity."

>>>Won't work! We got a little thing in this country called the First Amendment. The media could however, exercise some responsibility but don't hold your breath!

You mix this all together and it creates a perfect storm that makes for a fertile breeding ground for people who want to act out like this.

>>>No it doesn't. People respond emotionally instead of rationally and there is no accounting for fucking STUPID!

[selena]

Originally Posted by kane

To me it is a collection of things (in no specific order):

3. Information/video games/movies submerse kids in a world of violence and while I don't think these things cause them to carry out these terrible acts I think they they do aid in the efficiency of how the are carried out. With video games these days kids learn about tactics, cover, kills shots etc. With the internet they have access to information on how to build bombs, where and how to get things like bullet proof vests etc.

Kids all over the world play the same sort of games and have internet access. What makes it different here?

Not asking as a smart ass.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What's changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school shootings? It sure isn't the availability of firearms.

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I blame the fucking video games.

[Relentless]

The thing that has changed is parenting. 30 or 40 years ago it was COMMON for one parent to be a full time at home parent and the other to work M-F from 9-5. Now a situation like the is exceptionally rare. Most families are either single parent or both parents working full time. Many parents are now working 60 or 70 hours each week. Plenty of kids are put in 'day care' full time before they are one year old. Those kids are raised by minimum wage 'teaching assistants' with little or no credentials.

Those kids are then put into public schools that are dominated by standardized test scores. Gifted kids do fine anyway, average kids muddle through and learn how to pass tests rather than substantive education. Lower end kids get shuttled around and pushed through barely literate. The only thing that can occasionally help them is an exceptional teacher taking a personal interest in their development... Otherwise they get a C- and a diploma they can hardly read. Then they graduate to a world with no jobs or security and are constantly told by the media that things will only get worse, that they should fear anything they don't understand (which is most everything) and their parents are often in their late 50s or sixties by that point, unable to do much to assist them.

On top of all that if they are hard to handle, imaginative, different or nonconformist, they are 'medicated' by people interested in making them compliant rather than creative or exceptional in any way... And their parents accept horrible 'advice' from 'experts' rather than doing the hard work of advocating for their own children or researching things in full detail on their own.

The video games they played while all that happened to them were not the problem.

[DTK]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Smart, pragmatic, decent/honest.

The last part especially disqualifies him from moving too far up the ranks

[kane]

Originally Posted by selena

Kids all over the world play the same sort of games and have internet access. What makes it different here?

Not asking as a smart ass.

It could be a couple of things. Kids all over the world may not have ready access to massive amounts of guns (although some do), television that shows these kinds of acts non-stop and perhaps different healthcare systems that allow for those who have issues to be identified and helped.

That said, this isn't just a U.S. problem. The last few have been here and have gotten a lot of press, but check this page out. There are plenty of rampage/mass killings all over the world.

However, it does seem to happen here more often than in other places. I think some of that simply has to do with population level. For example on that link above you will see that during the time frame listed France has had three mass shootings while there were eight in the US, but there are five times as many people in the US.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Relentless

The thing that has changed is parenting. 30 or 40 years ago it was COMMON for one parent to be a full time at home parent and the other to work M-F from 9-5. Now a situation like the is exceptionally rare. Most families are either single parent or both parents working full time. Many parents are now working 60 or 70 hours each week. Plenty of kids are put in 'day care' full time before they are one year old. Those kids are raised by minimum wage 'teaching assistants' with little or no credentials.

Those kids are then put into public schools that are dominated by standardized test scores. Gifted kids do fine anyway, average kids muddle through and learn how to pass tests rather than substantive education. Lower end kids get shuttled around and pushed through barely literate. The only thing that can occasionally help them is an exceptional teacher taking a personal interest in their development... Otherwise they get a C- and a diploma they can hardly read. Then they graduate to a world with no jobs or security and are constantly told by the media that things will only get worse, that they should fear anything they don't understand (which is most everything) and their parents are often in their late 50s or sixties by that point, unable to do much to assist them.

On top of all that if they are hard to handle, imaginative, different or nonconformist, they are 'medicated' by people interested in making them compliant rather than creative or exceptional in any way... And their parents accept horrible 'advice' from 'experts' rather than doing the hard work of advocating for their own children or researching things in full detail on their own.

The video games they played while all that happened to them were not the problem.

While parenting could play a role in it, I think mental health plays a bigger role. National Review says that of the past 61 mass shooters over the last 30 years 38 of them showed signs of mental illness prior to committing the act.

Also, the problem is not getting worse. From 1990-1999 there were 42 mass shootings in the US. From 2000-2010 there were 26.

[campimp]

there is no clear cut solution, no one silver bullet to put an end to the situation imo

1- tighter gun laws will help, but they will still be available
2- better mental health care will help, but there will still be plenty of crazies out there
3- less media coverage will reduce the fame aspect, but we live in a world where every single man and woman is their own media outlet now with smartphones, twitter and facebook
4- video games and movies could be less violent, but that will never happen

the list goes on and on and on.... the only thing that we can all do to make a difference in my opinion is parenting

we set the example for our children... their peers apply a lot of pressure, but we still have the most control, and if parents did a better job from the beginning things would start to improve.

no parent is perfect, and the best parents in the world can still raise monsters.... but its the only thing that we can really do to help the situation.

if you are a parent, just pay attention, and raise your kids the best you can.. it can, and will in most cases make a difference

[dgraves]

Originally Posted by escorpio

I blame the fucking video games.

We can also blame Hollywood for graphically showing kids how much fun it can be to shoot people.

Our society encourages violence.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by kane

While parenting could play a role in it, I think mental health plays a bigger role. National Review says that of the past 61 mass shooters over the last 30 years 38 of them showed signs of mental illness prior to committing the act. Also, the problem is not getting worse. From 1990-1999 there were 42 mass shootings in the US. From 2000-2010 there were 26.

Some mental health issues are unavoidable genetic destiny. Many others are a predisposition caused by failed upbringing, neglect, poor social integration, poor parenting, etc.... You won't find too many mass murderers with a fantastic pair of truly engaged parents.

As Chris Rock once said: "If a kid calls its grandmother 'momma' and its momma 'Pam', that baby is going to jail."

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by dgraves

We can also blame Hollywood for graphically showing kids how much fun it can be to shoot people.

Our society encourages violence.

Oh, horseshit!

[Mutt]

Stop implicating the healthcare system in this tragedy. This kid was rich, he had access to the best healthcare in the world and was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and his teachers were aware of it, that he had to be watched, that 'he couldn't feel pain'. Mental health professionals aren't mind readers, I haven't read that the kid had any history of hurting himself or others.

Mental illness is not diabetes, it's not heart disease - it's the human brain/mind, and we have barely scratched the surface of understanding how it works and more important how it doesn't work. The pharmaceutical industry has done a good job selling the public and the shrinks and the primary care physicians that there's a pill or treatment for all these mental illnesses, whether they are all actually diseases/illnesses is up for debate. My guess is a lot of these problems are behavioral, root cause, society in general and parenting.

Maybe the mother saw the anger and was afraid to do anything about it. Mothers cover for their kids, maybe she was in denial - who knows. There are thousands of human ticking time bombs walking amongst us, most never go off.

[dgraves]

I would buy the "mental health" story if this kid went nuts and shot up his street out of the blue but he planned this attack on those children for a specific reason.

It's not like this was out of rage so no gun laws could have prevented this. His mother would have still obtained the guns through the proper channels.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What's changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school shootings? It sure isn't the availability of firearms.

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It sure is. More people have access to more guns.

[dgraves]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It sure is. More people have access to more guns.

So if people had more access to knives then stabbings would go up?

[Relentless]

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...earance_c.html

He definitely gets it.

Soon to be a Senator....

Bloomberg / Booker is now my dream ticket for 2016

[Joshua G]

i am unable to understand how better checks to keep guns from the mentally ill will reduce gun violence.

the major problem is defining exactly how to locate time bombs. Spree killers leave, at best, ambiguous clues that only make sense after the fact. Adam lanza left nothing. he even wrecked his hard drive so cops would be less able to determine why he did what he did.

in fact all people become mentally ill at some moment in their lives - when a loved one dies (or leaves you), when you lose a 6 figure job, or just road rage. sometimes, people end up in jail for life, all because of an action made in the heat of a moment.

OJ simpson is a murderer. what law would have prevented him from owning a gun in 1994?

There is a focus on mental illness because of the newtown massacre, failing to note that CT gun law prohibited adam from owning guns.

people are trying hard to find solutions without disturbing the 2nd amendment. But this is impossible. there is no solution to gun violence, except to eliminate guns.

so if you accept that guns are part of our country, part of our freedoms, then you must accept the tens of thousands of murders that come with them.

[Robbie]

I graduated highschool in 1979 in Fla.

Back then, all of us drove pickup trucks to school with gun racks. Everybody had their rifles on the gunrack of their truck. Parked right there on school grounds.

Seems almost impossible to imagine that in these times. Hell, if you had a gun rack in your truck today and got pulled over by the cops for speeding or something...they'd probably shoot you before you could roll down the window. lol

And having them on school grounds? These days they'd have a swat team in there and every news network would have satellite trucks covering it.

Guns were always abundant in this country. Something has changed over the past few years in our society that's causing this to happen. My guess is that everybody wants to be "famous". Even if it means killing people to do so.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I graduated highschool in 1979 in Fla.

Back then, all of us drove pickup trucks to school with gun racks. Everybody had their rifles on the gunrack of their truck. Parked right there on school grounds.

Seems almost impossible to imagine that in these times. Hell, if you had a gun rack in your truck today and got pulled over by the cops for speeding or something...they'd probably shoot you before you could roll down the window. lol

And having them on school grounds? These days they'd have a swat team in there and every news network would have satellite trucks covering it.

Guns were always abundant in this country. Something has changed over the past few years in our society that's causing this to happen. My guess is that everybody wants to be "famous". Even if it means killing people to do so.

broken families is a root cause of most of todays social ills. pretty much everyone in jail has a horror story about their upbringing. half of married people divorce. kids now develop socially being connected to smartphones & TV shows instead of parents. When someone hates their parents, & hates society, & doesnt give a fuck anymore, & then they frequent sites glorifying trench coat mafia. boom.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

broken families is a root cause of most of todays social ills. pretty much everyone in jail has a horror story about their upbringing. half of married people divorce. kids now develop socially being connected to smartphones & TV shows instead of parents. When someone hates their parents, & hates society, & doesnt give a fuck anymore, & then they frequent sites glorifying trench coat mafia. boom.

Maybe...but my parents got divorced (nasty one at that), and I didn't go out and start killing folks. Most of my friends parent's ended up divorced (the 1970's was pretty wild and sexually free, especially compared to now with HIV/AIDS and it seemed like all the adult back then were committing adultery and getting divorced lol), and none of them went out and killed people either.

Wish I knew what the answer was. Our whole society has changed in so many ways in my lifetime that it's barely recognizable to me.

Shit that was "cool" 30 years ago (drugs and sex) are now socially unacceptable. And things that were "uncool" (violence) are now the big rage (everytime a new videogame featuring mass murdering come out it sells millions & all the gamers talk excitedly about it on forums).

People are begging the govt. to RAISE taxes. People accept being searched in airports. Etc., etc.

It's hard for me to understand these killings when I don't even understand the thought processes of today's society in any way at all.
To me, it's like I dropped into "Bizarro World" and everything is backwards and upside down.

[Relentless]

We have laws about registering and background checks for good reason. Applying them only to gun stores is idiotic.
Booker is correct.

[Evil1]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Bloomberg / Booker is now my dream ticket for 2016

Bloomberg? BLOOMBERG? You mean the asshole that wouldn't let bagels go to hungry hurricane victims because they had salt in them? You are out of your fucking mind. That man is dangerous.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Relentless

We have laws about registering and background checks for good reason. Applying them only to gun stores is idiotic.
Booker is correct.

I agree and all the guns purchased for all these mass killings lately were purchased legally. The movie theater guy bought 6000 rounds of ammo online. Thats nuts.

[Evil1]

Originally Posted by tony286

I agree and all the guns purchased for all these mass killings lately were purchased legally. The movie theater guy bought 6000 rounds of ammo online. Thats nuts.

Whats nuts about buying in bulk? for 99.9999% of the people doing it they're just saving money.