3,500 Killed in USA Today!

[Donny]

"There will be over 3,500 killed in USA today from abortion. No flags lowered, no presidents crying. No media hyperventilating. Normal day."

- Matt Drudge


What's wrong with this world? 20 kids killed, which is definitely a tragedy, and we want to legislate against guns. But millions killed from abortion, and we label it "choice." What's wrong with us?

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by Donny

"There will be over 3,500 killed in USA today from abortion. No flags lowered, no presidents crying. No media hyperventilating. Normal day."

- Matt Drudge


What's wrong with this world? 20 kids killed, which is definitely a tragedy, and we want to legislate against guns. But millions killed from abortion, and we label it "choice." What's wrong with us?

[wehateporn]

[Tasty1]

I just read a book "freakonomics", http://www.freakonomics.com There was something interesting in the book about crime. People predicted that by now the priosns would be full of prisoners. But suddenly the crime didn't rise, but the crime rates went lower than ever before. People blame it on the war on drugs, higher sentences, better economy, more policeman. But he found out that the there was less crime because of abortion.

Cause mothers who didn't want children has an alternative now. Instead of having a child they couldn't take care of or where unwanted didn't get born. Strange, how many baby's that didn't get born would have become criminals because they wouldn't have a good future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legaliz...d_crime_effect

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

I just read a book "freakonomics", http://www.freakonomics.com There was something interesting in the book about crime. People predicted that by now the priosns would be full of prisoners. But suddenly the crime didn't rise, but the crime rates went lower than ever before. People blame it on the war on drugs, higher sentences, better economy, more policeman. But he found out that the there was less crime because of abortion.

Cause mothers who didn't want children has an alternative now. Instead of having a child they couldn't take care of or where unwanted didn't get born. Strange, how many baby's that didn't get born would have become criminals because they wouldn't have a good future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legaliz...d_crime_effect

Do you have kids? If so, can we kill them in an effort to eliminate any future crimes they may commit?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

I just read a book "freakonomics", http://www.freakonomics.com There was something interesting in the book about crime. People predicted that by now the priosns would be full of prisoners. But suddenly the crime didn't rise, but the crime rates went lower than ever before. People blame it on the war on drugs, higher sentences, better economy, more policeman. But he found out that the there was less crime because of abortion.

Cause mothers who didn't want children has an alternative now. Instead of having a child they couldn't take care of or where unwanted didn't get born. Strange, how many baby's that didn't get born would have become criminals because they wouldn't have a good future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legaliz...d_crime_effect

Interesting, maybe criminal babies and toddlers could be killed too

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Donny

"There will be over 3,500 killed in USA today from abortion. No flags lowered, no presidents crying. No media hyperventilating. Normal day."

- Matt Drudge


What's wrong with this world? 20 kids killed, which is definitely a tragedy, and we want to legislate against guns. But millions killed from abortion, and we label it "choice." What's wrong with us?

You don't want to pay for birth control. And you don't want to pay for kids. you got to make up your mind. I love people that cry about abortion , but would never think about adopting one of the 160,000 children that are in the system at any given time in the usa.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by tony286

You don't want to pay for birth control. And you don't want to pay for kids. you got to make up your mind. I love people that cry about abortion , but would never think about adopting one of the 160,000 children that are in the system at any given time in the usa.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by tony286

You don't want to pay for birth control. And you don't want to pay for kids. you got to make up your mind. I love people that cry about abortion , but would never think about adopting one of the 160,000 children that are in the system at any given time in the usa.

Those are quite the assumptions you make there, my friend.

I'm pro-birth control.
I cannot adopt, as a single male, but I do have two girls who are adopted living with me, and they have been here for the last 2 years. I homeschooled both of them until this year, when the oldest went back to public school. The 15 year old is still homeschooled. By me.

Abortion is wrong. Period. No matter what the excuse may be. Shall I kill your grandma if you decide you can't take care of her financially, and nobody else wants to do it either? Of course not.

[seXXXhub]

Originally Posted by tony286

You don't want to pay for birth control. And you don't want to pay for kids. you got to make up your mind. I love people that cry about abortion , but would never think about adopting one of the 160,000 children that are in the system at any given time in the usa.

word

[Donny]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Originally Posted by seXXXhub

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Morons, those who agree with that idiotic statement! Whatever did we do before birth control and welfare? Duh!

Again, his statement doesn't apply to me, nor does it apply ANY of those I personally know who are against abortion.

[Deej]

What's wrong with us?

Modern day hypocrisy and feeding the need to feel better about ones self without actually doing anything.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Donny

Morons, those who agree with that idiotic statement! Whatever did we do before birth control and welfare? Duh!

Again, his statement doesn't apply to me, nor does it apply ANY of those I personally know who are against abortion.

I doubt that, you or your friends are going to adopt some 10 or 14 yr old black kid ? They arent all babies.

What happened before welfare and abortions? There were back alley abortions were women died slow painful deaths. You had child labor and children used as slaves. Also, it was a very different time. At 12 you were considered a man.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by tony286

I doubt that, you or your friends are going to adopt some 10 or 14 yr old black kid ? They arent all babies.

What happened before welfare and abortions? There were back alley abortions were women died slow painful deaths. You had child labor and children used as slaves. Also, it was a very different time. At 12 you were considered a man.

Back alley abortions were RARE. They were not used as a form of birth control. Abortion is just another form of birth control today.

And again, your comment is quite uninformed. Friends of mine just adopted 4 black kids. Yes, the adopting couple was white. No, not a single child was an infant.

In the town in which I currently live there is a billboard that reads, "Don't abort your child. We'll adopt it!" A local church pays for it.

By the way, not a single one of your arguments are good enough to deny someone life, then hear the same people who say that's okay throw a hissy fit about guns when 20 kids are shot. Hypocrisy. Completely.

[BlackCrayon]

what a stupid post.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Donny

Morons, those who agree with that idiotic statement! Whatever did we do before birth control and welfare? Duh!

Again, his statement doesn't apply to me, nor does it apply ANY of those I personally know who are against abortion.

So tell us Donny - how many unwanted children have YOU adopted and/or financially supported over the years?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

So tell us Donny - how many unwanted children have YOU adopted and/or financially supported over the years?

That's flawed logic

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Donny

Back alley abortions were RARE. They were not used as a form of birth control. Abortion is just another form of birth control today.

And again, your comment is quite uninformed. Friends of mine just adopted 4 black kids. Yes, the adopting couple was white. No, not a single child was an infant.

In the town in which I currently live there is a billboard that reads, "Don't abort your child. We'll adopt it!" A local church pays for it.

By the way, not a single one of your arguments are good enough to deny someone life, then hear the same people who say that's okay throw a hissy fit about guns when 20 kids are shot. Hypocrisy. Completely.

Really 1000's of women died from backalley abortions. Why do you think they made it legal if no one was doing it? Just because you write it doesnt means its true.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

So tell us Donny - how many unwanted children have YOU adopted and/or financially supported over the years?

You don't have a habit of reading all of the thread before posting, do you? I currently financially support TWO adopted girls, who live with me. One of which I homeschool. The other whom I homeschooled until this year.

Next question.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by tony286

Really 1000's of women died from backalley abortions. Why do you think they made it legal if no one was doing it? Just because you write it doesnt means its true.

1000s vs millions is a multiple of 1000. Let's go back to those days.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by tony286

Really 1000's of women died from backalley abortions. Why do you think they made it legal if no one was doing it? Just because you write it doesnt means its true.

The agenda was to get women to work, to encourage them to be more like men. Also the Abortion industry makes big bucks!

[Max Potential]

Originally Posted by Donny

Abortion is wrong. Period. No matter what the excuse may be. Shall I kill your grandma if you decide you can't take care of her financially, and nobody else wants to do it either? Of course not.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but for me, personally, there is a giant difference between grandma who has been exposed to the 'outside of the womb real world' and an unborn fetus who has not.

I think that most people that are pro-abortion would agree that once you have entered this 'outside the womb real world', your rights have solidified.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The agenda was to get women to work, to encourage them to be more like men. Also the Abortion industry makes big bucks!

Actually it doesnt. its getting smaller and smaller.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Max Potential

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but for me, personally, there is a giant difference between grandma who has been exposed to the 'outside of the womb real world' and an unborn fetus who has not.

I think that most people that are pro-abortion would agree that once you have entered this 'outside the womb real world', your rights have solidified.

I agree with that.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Max Potential

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but for me, personally, there is a giant difference between grandma who has been exposed to the 'outside of the womb real world' and an unborn fetus who has not.

I think that most people that are pro-abortion would agree that once you have entered this 'outside the womb real world', your rights have solidified.

Ridiculous. Ending life is ending life. Why not give new parents a year to decide if they really want kids, killing off their toddlers if the answer is "no" ? Why is it different? Because you can SEE one, and not the other? Pathetic.

[gfyworldnews]

Good, the world is overpopulated as it is.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Donny

You don't have a habit of reading all of the thread before posting, do you? I currently financially support TWO adopted girls, who live with me. One of which I homeschool. The other whom I homeschooled until this year.

Next question.

Sorry, sometimes my bullshit filter is set high and it excludes things.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Sorry, sometimes my bullshit filter is set high and it excludes things.

This isn't BS. Go check out my Facebook page. What I posted is a fact... two teens live with me who are not mine, but were adopted by my cousin. She (my cousin) lives two hours away and her adopted daughters live here with me.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Donny

Do you have kids? If so, can we kill them in an effort to eliminate any future crimes they may commit?

'Why do people always ask "do you have kids".
I don't care if you have kids.
I don't want your kids to be aborted.
But i don't care if someone aborts you.

[Max Potential]

Originally Posted by Donny

Ridiculous. Ending life is ending life. Why not give new parents a year to decide if they really want kids, killing off their toddlers if the answer is "no" ? Why is it different? Because you can SEE one, and not the other? Pathetic.

For me it's not a matter of whether "I" can see one or the other, it's more a matter of whether that one or the other has seen 'the world'. In my opinion, ending grandma's life, or a toddler's life, is not the same as ending an unborn fetus.

Again, you are of course entitled to your opinion, and I would not call you ridiculous or pathetic. Since this is where this convo is going, I think I am going to bow out.

[Donny]

A comment from a friend on Facebook:

In the US:

There are 2 million couples waiting to adopt.
Every year, for every 1 couple granted a baby, 36-40 couples are left still waiting. The divide between the amount of couples waiting to adopt babies and the amount of babies given for adoption has only increased over time. Babies resulting from an unwanted pregnancy typically go straight to a family through private adoption. Usually the only babies in the foster care system are those with medical problems that the parents couldn't afford to treat, or part of a sibling group take from the home. Most children in foster care were already older by the time they were taken from their home and placed in foster care.

In 2008, Planned Parenthood provided 324,000 abortions. If all those abortions had been live births instead, there would be parents there to adopt every single one of them, and that would still only grant babies to 17% of couples waiting to adopt, leaving 80% of couples still waiting.

There are very few babies born in this country that are actually unwanted. When the birth mother does not want the baby, there are always infertile couples who do.

To confront the issue of the risk of pregnancy (SLY), a recent study in Finland found that women who had an abortion were almost four times as likely to die within a year as women who gave birth (article #5). In addition to its immediate health risks (excessive bleeding, torn uterus, etc), abortion also carries with it the risk of endometriosis and miscarriage in later pregnancies, as well as breast cancer. You can count previous abortions in the list of life choices that can render a woman infertile. However, many causes of infertility are not the fault of the infertile couple, and it is insulting to imply that it is.
Source(s):
1.http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._mark05048327/
2.http://www.plannedparenthood.org/fil...2010-09-03.pdf
3.http://www.hannahshouseoc.com/Adopti...tions_2565.htm
4. http://www.adoption.com/
5. http://www.pregnantpause.org/safe/stakes.htm

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony286

You don't want to pay for birth control. And you don't want to pay for kids. you got to make up your mind.

Huh? How about responsible sex?

[Donny]

This movie is made by a REALLY religious company, who I don't particularly like. But their movie brings up good points.

Challenge: watch it, and tell me if it changes your mind (if you are pro-abortion)

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Donny

A comment from a friend on Facebook:

In the US:

There are 2 million couples waiting to adopt.
Every year, for every 1 couple granted a baby, 36-40 couples are left still waiting. The divide between the amount of couples waiting to adopt babies and the amount of babies given for adoption has only increased over time. Babies resulting from an unwanted pregnancy typically go straight to a family through private adoption. Usually the only babies in the foster care system are those with medical problems that the parents couldn't afford to treat, or part of a sibling group take from the home. Most children in foster care were already older by the time they were taken from their home and placed in foster care.

In 2008, Planned Parenthood provided 324,000 abortions. If all those abortions had been live births instead, there would be parents there to adopt every single one of them, and that would still only grant babies to 17% of couples waiting to adopt, leaving 80% of couples still waiting.

There are very few babies born in this country that are actually unwanted. When the birth mother does not want the baby, there are always infertile couples who do.

To confront the issue of the risk of pregnancy (SLY), a recent study in Finland found that women who had an abortion were almost four times as likely to die within a year as women who gave birth (article #5). In addition to its immediate health risks (excessive bleeding, torn uterus, etc), abortion also carries with it the risk of endometriosis and miscarriage in later pregnancies, as well as breast cancer. You can count previous abortions in the list of life choices that can render a woman infertile. However, many causes of infertility are not the fault of the infertile couple, and it is insulting to imply that it is.
Source(s):
1.http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._mark05048327/
2.http://www.plannedparenthood.org/fil...2010-09-03.pdf
3.http://www.hannahshouseoc.com/Adopti...tions_2565.htm
4. http://www.adoption.com/
5. http://www.pregnantpause.org/safe/stakes.htm

then why are there over 160000 kids in the system? there should be none, if couples are just waiting to scoop all the kids up but sadly that's not the case.

[StickyGreen]

Hmm, abortion probably is "wrong," but no one gives a shit about morals any more these days so it's pointless to debate.

Most people have taken on the motto "Do what thou wilt."

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Donny

This movie is made by a REALLY religious company, who I don't particularly like. But their movie brings up good points.

Challenge: watch it, and tell me if it changes your mind (if you are pro-abortion)

its not pro abortion, its pro choice.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony286

then why are there over 160000 kids in the system? there should be none, if couples are just waiting to scoop all the kids up but sadly that's not the case.

Because this isn't a dog pound, and they don't give them away like they do puppies.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta

Having SallyRand agree with you is like a stamp of approval into the guild of complete morons, but we all knew you were already in there Donny.

It's still astonishing to me how a porn guy switches to this creepy religious cult, and adopts any prejudice in existence towards this cult, like guns and now anti abortion. You have to be trolling. You are the textbook close minded american religious zealot I thought only existed in comedies.

[mineistaken]

You can kill someone at any time between birth and death. You can not kill anyone after death and before birth.

[blackmonsters]

And in other news : 77 Billion sperm cells were killed today during a single chat session.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

I just read a book "freakonomics", http://www.freakonomics.com There was something interesting in the book about crime. People predicted that by now the priosns would be full of prisoners. But suddenly the crime didn't rise, but the crime rates went lower than ever before. People blame it on the war on drugs, higher sentences, better economy, more policeman. But he found out that the there was less crime because of abortion.

Cause mothers who didn't want children has an alternative now. Instead of having a child they couldn't take care of or where unwanted didn't get born. Strange, how many baby's that didn't get born would have become criminals because they wouldn't have a good future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legaliz...d_crime_effect

Interesting post, thanks.

.

[seeandsee]

jesus over million abortions a year ????????

[livexxx]

life begins at birth, end of discussion

[adult-help]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

You can kill someone at any time between birth and death. You can not kill anyone after death and before birth.

well, a child just weeks or days bfore he is born can be killed,he is a living person,he's just inside his mothers body..

but calling every abortion a kill is stupid. Not every cell is life...up to few months it really isn't a person...

[JimmyTheGeek]

For those of you who feel that abortion should remain legal, do you think that, overall, abortion is not such a good thing? Can we at least agree that late-term abortion of viable fetuses is not an optimal solution and that the frequency should be reduced?

I have heard a proposal for (USA) government subsidized abortions in the first term only, which would effectively reduce late term abortions, but perhaps increase total abortions. I think I would support this proposal, as late term abortion seems to be the most blatantly wrong.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by livexxx

life begins at birth, end of discussion

Yeah, for sure this baby is not alive:

[jigg]

by that account God says no killing, ever, so Christians should give up guns. Also Jesus thought to give the other cheek, and not fight evil.

Im personally against abortions, my boyfrend thinks they need to be banned, but for me it's between the person and their karma, deity whatever. Though late term abortions should be banned accross the board with health exceptions.

[PornMD]

I've never understood that the same people that say "holy shit, don't kill unborn fetuses!" are the same ones that could care less about them once they are born. Most of the situations in which abortions happen are situations when the child is either completely UNWANTED or the parent(s) would not be able to support the child. Pro-lifers say "fuck 'em" on the latter and "tough luck" on the former. Tell us, if you don't want these fetuses aborted, what are you doing to actually improve their lives given those usual circumstances?

I would actually respect the position more if it included some means of making sure an otherwise aborted fetus lives a healthy happy life, but I've never met a pro-lifer that feels that way. At best they feel giving the baby up for adoption allows it to live and the parents to not have to deal with the burden, seeming to think that somehow that leads to a rosy life when it rarely does.

[adult-help]

Originally Posted by PornMD

I've never understood that the same people that say "holy shit, don't kill unborn fetuses!" are the same ones that could care less about them once they are born. Most of the situations in which abortions happen are situations when the child is either completely UNWANTED or the parent(s) would not be able to support the child. Pro-lifers say "fuck 'em" on the latter and "tough luck" on the former. Tell us, if you don't want these fetuses aborted, what are you doing to actually improve their lives given those usual circumstances?

I would actually respect the position more if it included some means of making sure an otherwise aborted fetus lives a healthy happy life, but I've never met a pro-lifer that feels that way. At best they feel giving the baby up for adoption allows it to live and the parents to not have to deal with the burden, seeming to think that somehow that leads to a rosy life when it rarely does.

absolutely! Like someone said: they would fight to death to keep zygote "alive" but once you are born it's who gives a fuck.. they have problems aborting 1 week old speck of cells because "every life is sacred" but have no problems sending 18yr old to wars broad..

religious prolifers dont really care about the actual person or fetus or something like that - they just preach what they think the bible teaches.

to not sound to one sided - it pisses me of when abortion is seen just as an easy pill-after method to get rid of unwanted child too.it should be an last -resort thing.too many dumb teens see it as easy answer for behaving irresponsible.

[JesseQuinn]

fifty dead fetuses (yay, haven't done that here yet)

Originally Posted by Donny

This movie is made by a REALLY religious company, who I don't particularly like. But their movie brings up good points.

Challenge: watch it, and tell me if it changes your mind (if you are pro-abortion)

o goody, Godwin's Law. Yes, legal abortion is EXACTLY like Nazism.

(Except the Nazis debased and murdered actual human beings based on a twisted race based ideology. A fetus inside the uterus is not a human being yet so the rights of the woman to NOT give birth trump those of the fetus growing inside her)

I swear, if all the pro-lifers who are so obsessed with regulating the female body would spend half your time working towards making this world a more humane place for actual human beings who live it in we'd probably all be alot better off